Kaboom wrote:
Yeah, unfortunately the "don't let you ki leak" training doesn't even come close to explaining anything. That's not going to somehow transform Goku and Vegeta's mortal ki into god-ki. It doesn't even explain why gods can't be sensed by mortals, because they can be sensed by other gods so they're clearly radiating something. If there's something like "negate your own ki so you can absorb the god-ki and gain that power instead" going on, then yet again that's something they need to actually make evident instead of just leaving us to guess.
The problem all just harks back to what I said; there's a million different potential ways other than the ritual that Toriyama and/or Toei could have used for Vegeta to get Super Saiyan God power. But even the few little god-ki-related details they've tossed in don't seem to be anything but random unrelated nonsense that doesn't actually connect or explain anything.
It's just plain lazy writing, that's all.
The "don't let your ki leak out" only fits the context of training their base forms up, but it has literally no relation to God ki implied and this is a problem if thats the focus of the arc. As it stands SSJSS has never made any sense because they have to let their ki out when they transform anyway. They just don't force it out of them the same way, but how s them training with his any different than them training themselves? Thus this is why I don't like modern DB, there is no weight to anything introduced, the concepts don't make any sense and the vague to abstract one-liner retcons that are just there, just to cover in open holes but don't actually fill them in.
Zephyr wrote:While this won't likely make it much better, Whis' training did have the whole "don't let the ki leave your body" thing going for it, which is something that hadn't been seen before. That, coupled with training with a being far surpassing Super Saiyan God, seems to be the closest thing to a semblance of a real explanation for Vegeta getting the Super Saiyan God power. Still vague and unkind to the red form itself, but it's better than Vegeta training off on his own in the mountains and gaining it "through his own power", which is more what I'd expect from GT.
I give GT credit for at least utilizing concepts that already existed and added onto them in ways that were already self-referencing. Super didn't do anything but bring up something then hand-wave it away with viewer interpretation. So thus far the God arc has been very minimal and very lazy for narrative. If you compare Vegeta's SSJ4 to SSJGSS, GT did a lot better a job justifying not humiliating Vegeta for both forms.
SSJ4
- Saiyan cells react to Brutes waves energy.
- The tail absorbs energy from reflected moonlight.
- In GT Bulma creates a machine to recreate the same effect and concentrate it at a greater scale.
- Tail regenerated, Oozaru form triggered. Vegeta recalls his consciousness easier because he already mastered the Oozaru form prior.
- SS ki and Oozaru Boost combines.
= Asspull count (0)
SSJGSS
- Train with Whis to vague instructions.
- Get SSGSS God ki off screen he obtained from from own willpower.
- Told to not let ki leak out = new form.
Asspull count (3)
