Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Herms » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:43 pm

Right, so for the time being I'm skipping the end of the RF arc to focus on the Champa/U6 arc.

==Episode 28==
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Adamant » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:00 am

Herms wrote:R

More speedsub fun: Apparently someone managed to translate this as "Despite this being a simple suit... this is nothing compared to the technology of Bulma's training room"
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Speedster » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:11 pm

Herms wrote:Right, so for the time being I'm skipping the end of the RF arc to focus on the Champa/U6 arc.

==Episode 28==
Minute: 9
Context: Champa and Vados arrive.
Goku: "Hey who're you? You look like a chubby Beerus-sama!"
Vados: "Now now that's rude. This is Beerus-sama's twin brother Champa-sama."
Vados: "You should watch your mouth — he's a God of Destruction."
Vegeta: "God of Destruction? There are two Gods of Destruction?!"
Vados: "He's the God of Destruction of Universe 6, not this one."

Significance: Relations! It's mentioned later that Vados is Whis' older sister. Both of these details were revealed a few months ago in chapter 5 of the Dragon Ball Super manga adaptation. Since Universe 6 and 7 are later described as being like "twins", it's possible Beerus and Champa are only twins in the sense that they are the U6 and U7 versions of each other rather than traditional siblings, but until we get more info it's best to assume that they're simply run-of-the-mill twins.
In chapter 6 of the manga we are told that Beerus and Champa have birthday on the same day. This is from your very own translation of chapter 6:
Champa: “Beerus…why the hell did you…eat that Puff-Puff Fruit on top of the birthday cake…before I could?!!!”
Beerus: “Because it’s my birthday! Why shouldn’t I?”
Champa: “It was my birthday too!!! You bastard!”
Of course they could have been born on the same day from a tree or so or by a different parent but that seems unlikely. Also in episode 3 Whis sees Beerus genitals so their race does have reproductive organs so we should better assume they are just like any other mammal-Beerus is a cat anyway.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Herms » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:28 pm

Speedster wrote:In chapter 6 of the manga we are told that Beerus and Champa have birthday on the same day. This is from your very own translation of chapter 6:
Champa: “Beerus…why the hell did you…eat that Puff-Puff Fruit on top of the birthday cake…before I could?!!!”
Beerus: “Because it’s my birthday! Why shouldn’t I?”
Champa: “It was my birthday too!!! You bastard!”
Of course they could have been born on the same day from a tree or so or by a different parent but that seems unlikely. Also in episode 3 Whis sees Beerus genitals so their race does have reproductive organs so we should better assume they are just like any other mammal-Beerus is a cat anyway.
I'm talking about the idea that Champa and Beerus are parallel universe versions of the same person, like something out of DB Multiverse. This was an idea some people proposed early on, and it got a bit of a second wind when U6 and U7 were described as "twins", but like I said, there's currently no reason to think they're anything other than conventional twins.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by ssj_duelist » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:18 pm

Yay this is back!

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:53 pm

An overview of things to look into in episodes 22-27, which makes it easier for Herms, if he decides to cover them himself:

==Episode 22==
==Episode 23==
==Episode 24==
==Episode 25==
==Episode 26==
==Episode 27==

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Adamant » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:40 pm

dbgtFO wrote:An overview of things to look into in episodes 22-27, which makes it easier for Herms, if he decides to cover them himself:
Whatever you wasted all that time quoting is inaccurate crap from bad speedsubs, making your post more counterproductive than anything.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Draconic » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:45 pm

Adamant wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:An overview of things to look into in episodes 22-27, which makes it easier for Herms, if he decides to cover them himself:
Whatever you wasted all that time quoting is inaccurate crap from bad speedsubs, making your post more counterproductive than anything.
Because when Herms decides to ever do those episodes, he would rather sit trough 2 hours of episodes, instead of having something to go of off. I think you misunderstood dbgtFO's intentions here.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Adamant » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:56 pm

Draconic wrote:
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dbgtFO wrote:An overview of things to look into in episodes 22-27, which makes it easier for Herms, if he decides to cover them himself:
Whatever you wasted all that time quoting is inaccurate crap from bad speedsubs, making your post more counterproductive than anything.
Because when Herms decides to ever do those episodes, he would rather sit trough 2 hours of episodes, instead of having something to go of off. I think you misunderstood dbgtFO's intentions here.
Maybe so, but it's still a post full of mistranslated crap people might see and take for trustworthy, which isn't all that good to leave lying around.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:47 pm

Yeah, I think dbgtFO should make it clear that these aren't supposed to be accurate.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by dbgtFO » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:45 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, I think dbgtFO should make it clear that these aren't supposed to be accurate.
Eh, you guys have already made that clear enough :thumbup: And Herms or one of the mods can edit the post to reflect that, if that's necessary.

And yes as Draconic posted, this is just a help for Herms, that's why I wrote "an overview of things to look into." Damn it.
It's a collection of all the questionable lines in the episodes not covered yet, making it easier to navigate for Herms or another japanese-speaking person interested in providing the proper translation.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:14 pm

I also would like to know what they say about Vegeta's new transformation and how Whis' rewind-time ability is described in Ep. 27.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:00 pm

There's also a line in episode 24 that seems off. Goku says he can't beat Freeza in base.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Herms » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:43 am

OK, here's episodes 22-27. All done by EmmaWinters...who's pretty much taking over this project for me.

==Episode 22==

==Episode 23==

==Episode 24==

==Episode 25==

==Episode 26==

==Episode 27==
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.28)

Post by Herms » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:52 am

For complex, incomprehensible reasons, I'm sticking the first seven episodes here for the time being:

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Eps.22~28)

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:50 am

Thank you very much, Herms and Emma Winters!

So the sub I watched was mostly accurate in regards to what Herms and Emma Winters included here anyway, but there're still lines that might need to get clarified:

Episode 22.
A) That infamous line about Tagoma being as strong as Gohan's best could be added. I know you translated it just after the episode came out, but maybe it'd be better, if it was all gathered in one place?
B)Tagoma bragged about his toughness, but SS Gotenks headbutts him in his private area and Kame-sennin remarks it wasn't a weak attack. I seem to recall something about that being some sort of joke or something?
Episode 23, Freeza calls Goku, Son-Goku-san. Has he ever done this before?
Episode 25, Beerus comments about Goku vs Freeza, but the sub had it translated, as if he was talking about the Dragon Balls, but Doragon Booru can clearly not be heard in that sentence.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Eps.22~28)

Post by EmmaWinters » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:53 pm

dbtFO wrote:Tagoma bragged about his toughness, but SS Gotenks headbutts him in his private area and Kame-sennin remarks it wasn't a weak attack. I seem to recall something about that being some sort of joke or something?
Tagoma refers to everyone's attacks as 上品/elegant shortly before Gotenks headbutts his crotch, which Kame Sen'nin calls an 下品/inelegant or indecent attack.
dbtFO wrote:Freeza calls Goku, Son-Goku-san. Has he ever done this before?
No, not that I'm aware of. Freeza very sparingly uses Goku's name prior to RoF/Super.
dbtFO wrote:Episode 25, Beerus comments about Goku vs Freeza, but the sub had it translated, as if he was talking about the Dragon Balls, but Doragon Booru can clearly not be heard in that sentence.
Beerus and Whis tend to refer to them as 願い玉/negai-dama, which is usually translated as Wish Orbs. Beerus is saying that going through the trouble of wishing Freeza back wasn't for nothing. As in, it paid off big, because Freeza became so strong.
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Re: Fact Checker (update: Eps.22~28)

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:19 pm

EmmaWinters wrote:
dbtFO wrote:Tagoma bragged about his toughness, but SS Gotenks headbutts him in his private area and Kame-sennin remarks it wasn't a weak attack. I seem to recall something about that being some sort of joke or something?
Tagoma refers to everyone's attacks as 上品/elegant shortly before Gotenks headbutts his crotch, which Kame Sen'nin calls an 下品/inelegant or indecent attack.
Ah, so that's it. Gohan and co. are too elegant for their own good. They could do with adding some dirty moves to their arsenal :D
No, not that I'm aware of. Freeza very sparingly uses Goku's name prior to RoF/Super.
Thought so. I vividly remember Freeza addressing his two "bodyguards" as Zarbon-san and Dodoria-san, which makes sense as they were in his good books. Addressing Goku as such would only make sense in a scenario, when he was faking politeness and while he did do a lot of that, he never did address Goku as Goku-san, IIRC.
Beerus and Whis tend to refer to them as 願い玉/negai-dama, which is usually translated as Wish Orbs. Beerus is saying that going through the trouble of wishing Freeza back wasn't for nothing. As in, it paid off big, because Freeza became so strong.
Oh, so no just Champa and Vados then. Seems like they all just call them Wish Orbs instead of Dragon Balls, no wonder the sub just said Dragon Balls.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Eps.22~28)

Post by Adamant » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:23 pm

dbgtFO wrote: Oh, so no just Champa and Vados then. Seems like they all just call them Wish Orbs instead of Dragon Balls, no wonder the sub just said Dragon Balls.
"No wonder the sub said something the characters didn't say".

You really need to start watching decent subs instead of going with terrible ones followed by a bunch of questions about what they REALLY said.
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