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apex_pretador wrote:
you forgot chiaotzu , chichi & tsuresenin
Oh.
Uub
Tenshinhan
Krillin
Yamcha
Master Roshi(forgot he kicked ass in ROF saga ^^)
Chiautzu
Yajirobe
Tao pai pai
King Chappa
Master Shen
General Blue
Bora /Chi chi
Pamput
Commander Black(or w/e his name is)
Silver Sinspawn wrote:Assuming we're talking entirely human and not an android:
0. It's not entire fair to count him, due to the whole deal, but, Uub.
1. Tenshinhan. He's been trained by King Kai and Kami, and has held is own against powerful enemies and continues to train to this day.
2. Krillin. A similar deal, trained by Kami and had his potential unlocked, has fought plenty of strong opponents, but also has slacked off and/or given up due to family life.
3. Yamcha. Trained by Kami and King Kai, blah blah, but gives up training earlier than the others.
4. Chiaotzu. As with above, but powerful telepathic/kinetic abilities can be used well against humans. Still semi-trains with Tenshinhan.
5. Yajirobe. Strong as Goku on arrival, Vegeta's tail, but very lazy. This still makes him very powerful.
6. Master Roshi. Age old, knows many fighting techinques gathered over his hundreds of years of life. Fought Freeza soldiers pretty well.
7. Tao Pai Pai (He was still power pre-cyborgification. Which might I add, is not a word.). Famous for his assassination skills, very powerful, but is defeated by both Goku and Tenshinhan
8. Crane Hermit. A master of the same style as Tao.
9. Videl. Able to train with an older Gohan, and participates in a lot of vigilante justice. A powerful fighter who was able to support the Z Fighters better than many other humans. Plus flight.
10. Grandpa Gohan. Trained under Roshi, gave Kid Goku a challenge during Fortuneteller Baba.
11. Chi-Chi. Powerful in her own right, but Chi Chi also trained with Goten until he went SSJ
12. Bandages the Mummy. Was a serious threat to the Dragon Ball teams victory. Very powerful, defeats Yamcha.
13. Sky Dragon. Gives Goku a decent fight. Is in the tournament semi-finals in Bojack, albeit much older.
14. Bora. The chief of the Karinga Tribe, a very powerful man blah blah
15. General Blue. Hypnosis, serious strength blah blah.
16. Nam. Fought against Goku, did well, blah blah, consistent Tournament competitor, but is beaten by Tambourine and isn't seen very much after.
17. Doskoi. Beats an aged Sky Dragon in the Bojack tournament. This should imply that he's at least pretty powerful.
18. General White. Very Russian.
19. Mr. Satan. Won the Budokai fairly at least once, this has to count for something.
20. Ninja Murasaki. Not so much powerful as he is skillful, against regular humans, he'd pose a threat. Though he isn't smart, he and his brothers are decent fighters by human standards
21. King Chappa. Another world tournament winner. He is eliminated in the prelims in the second tournament though so his skills must have faded, possibly due to having like, four kids.
22. Ox King. We don't see Ox King do a lot of fighting, but he did train with Grandpa Gohan and Roshi. He managed to claim Fire Mountain as his own, however, he is never shown doing much.
I would have included Spopovich and Yamu pretty high on this list but I don't think they qualify with Majin Magic. Otherwise I'd place them around Chiaotzu level.
Why is Videl and Satan so high ? Those two ain't touching someone who is around BODB Goku level.And Chappa and Chi Chi is way too low.
Videl trained with Gohan, that's something. We already know she can beat gang members, and she made it at least passed the qualifying round for the tournament. She can form consecutive minor ki blasts, which leaves me inclined to believe that due to Dragon Ball's law of ki blasts and power meaning you're stronger than technique (unfortunately), she's pretty powerful.
Satan won a tournament, he's actually a capable fighter, he's just out of his league when it comes to stacking up with a Z Fighter. Being a tournament winner leaves me to believe that he's got some skill, enough to win, and that's assuming none of the other DB Tournament alumni participated.
Oh, you think the Grand Tour is your ally, you merely stepped into the Grand Tour. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn’t see the Super until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!
Silver Sinspawn wrote:Videl trained with Gohan, that's something. We already know she can beat gang members, and she made it at least passed the qualifying round for the tournament. She can form consecutive minor ki blasts, which leaves me inclined to believe that due to Dragon Ball's law of ki blasts and power meaning you're stronger than technique (unfortunately), she's pretty powerful.
Satan won a tournament, he's actually a capable fighter, he's just out of his league when it comes to stacking up with a Z Fighter. Being a tournament winner leaves me to believe that he's got some skill, enough to win, and that's assuming none of the other DB Tournament alumni participated.
Why does training with Gohan matter ? It's not like they spar each other that Videl would get way stronger,Gohan only taught her how to fly and control her Ki.And beating criminals is nothing,BODB Goku with a mere PL of 10 can kill dinosaurs and wolfs with ease.And firing Ki blast or flying doesn't mean anything,Dende can fly,but he was weaker than Satan,Yajirobe can't fly or fire ki blasts but he was stronger than Kami or Piccolo Daimao who can destroy an entire city with a ki blast.
Satan winning the tournament doesn't mean anything since the participants to the tournaments he won don't have any strong people unlike back then.BODB Goku can break large boulders with ease whereas Satan barely destroys 15 piles of tiles.Not to mention he almost got killed by a gunfire.
It's better to say pure humans from Earth, because even saiyans and everyone else are humans, on the other hand we have Gods. It's not fair to count Oob because he's reincarnation of Boo. Kuririn is the strongest one.
Kuririn Fan wrote:It's not fair to count Oob because he's reincarnation of Boo. Kuririn is the strongest one.
Everyone is the reincarnation of someone in the DB series. Kuririn could be the reincarnation of an ancient demon god for all we know. The only thing special with Uub is that Goku requested that he be born on Earth instead of a random location in the universe.
Kuririn Fan wrote:It's not fair to count Oob because he's reincarnation of Boo. Kuririn is the strongest one.
Everyone is the reincarnation of someone in the DB series. Kuririn could be the reincarnation of an ancient demon god for all we know. The only thing special with Uub is that Goku requested that he be born on Earth instead of a random location in the universe.
And the other special thing about Oob is that almost nobody likes him/cares about him and he's the main reason of hate for the ending.
Kuririn Fan wrote:It's not fair to count Oob because he's reincarnation of Boo. Kuririn is the strongest one.
Everyone is the reincarnation of someone in the DB series. Kuririn could be the reincarnation of an ancient demon god for all we know. The only thing special with Uub is that Goku requested that he be born on Earth instead of a random location in the universe.
And the other special thing about Oob is that almost nobody likes him/cares about him and he's the main reason of hate for the ending.
... Well, that's just mean. I liked Uub and the ending.
Kuririn Fan wrote:The ending is fine, except the Oob part.
What issue do you have with Oob specifically?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Eh I don't like the whole just cause Tien is being shown to be more serious and always training = more stronger than Krillin. Krillin is so versatile while tien is not. Krillin's a busy guy.
Who's to say Krillin isn't training with 18 and Roshi all the time. Cmon Tien just has Chiaotzu, not a great training partner compared. And uh Tien is alien
Krillin even created one of most deadly techniques out there where so many people copy. You don't see Vegeta doing kikohos. He also witnessed so much shit out there on the battlefield compared to tien.
Kuririn Fan wrote:The ending is fine, except the Oob part.
What issue do you have with Oob specifically?
We followed this cast forever, only for this little kid to be introduced in second to last chapter and be the focus of the ending. I always felt so empty knowing that that is the "canon ending" to this awesome series i'm fanboy of.
Then include GT, it has an excellent ending. People may not like it, but it's the better ending of the two.
Oh, you think the Grand Tour is your ally, you merely stepped into the Grand Tour. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn’t see the Super until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!
If anyone wants to throw in their list, you can do it (or edit it) in the next 2 days.
So far, the following humans have been scoring points:
in no order
Spoiler:
Krillin , tien , yamcha , chiatzu , yajirobe , chichi , tsuresenin , roshi , tao , nam , bora , chappa , gohan , G blue , G white , G black , gyumao , Videl , pamput
(not counting mutaito because he wasn't in the series. He was just shown in a flashback , being weaker than daimao, that's it.)
Hon'ble mebtion: uub is by far the strongest human & there is no need to include him in.
