GT Power Levels explain DB Super

[Kaboom]

The weights and power levels issue isn't really explained, and I don't really have any ideas to offer... but it's not really a problem, more just an unanswered question. The scouter is still reading someone's ki level/amount, and something about exerting extra effort in movement because of the weights causes that ki level to drop.

We just don't quite know what that something is. Maybe it's a matter of using up ki power to handle the weight, or maybe it's a physiological thing where the muscle stress restricts ki flow, or maybe it's some odd way that Earthling fighters typically use their ki differently from average space-dudes. Who knows?

[LowRyder2005]

I honestly think it makes sense, actually: scouter readings are just, like eloquently put above by Hitiro, means to evaluate an outcome by comparing X's BP and Y's BP.
If I fight a faster opponent, I'll have more trouble dealing with them, therefore his BP will be represented by a higher number. Seems linear, to me.

Well it doesn't to me. Vegeta explicitly mentioned, that a higher battle power, means higher speed too. If one's speed is also represented in one's battle power, then it makes no sense for Vegeta to make that distinction.
Always just seemed like Battle Power = Ki level and nothing else.

I don't think I'm following you. That's exactly what happens when Goku takes off his clothing. How are the two pieces of evidence contradicting each other?

Ah, I re-read it more carefully. I get what you're implying, but no, if you want to take that for what it is, you're inverting the cause and the effect: it's "if your speed gets higher" you'll have a "higher battle power", at least if you want to accept everything at face-value.
I don't see why you have to create extravagant explanation for something that in the manga is explained by the panels: Goku's speed increases and his power level increases. It's as simple as that.

I suppose you can picture the "power levels" mentally as a diagram of sorts, like those in some Dragon Ball games.



In this case, the "power level" would be the orange area, while the parameters (power, speed, ki) would be the segments starting from the center to the intersections of the hexagon, with the addendum that ki can be manipulated to amplify all the other parameters.

I'd like to see if some guidebook touches the subject more in-depth though, it would definitely be beneficial to the whole issue.

[dbgtFO]

I don't think I'm following you. That's exactly what happens when Goku takes off his clothing. How are the two pieces of evidence contradicting each other?

You're saying speed is accounted for in one's battle power, I'm saying no, battle power is distinct from speed, but it has a direct influence on it(barring extreme body modifications).
So Goku takes off his weights, his battle power goes up and so does his speed as they are directly linked, but his speed itself is not measured in his battle power. Vegeta powers up against Kewi, and his speed goes up too, but it is not accounted for in his battle power number.
Goku is apparently faster than Ginyu, but Ginyu's battle power number is a good deal higher.
Ginyu in Goku's body is even faster, than before, but his battle power is far less, than what it was in his previous body.
This argument stems from a belief that BoZ Tenshinhan's battle power should be higher than 23rd TB weighted Goku's, because his speed was higher, but I and Hitiro seem to agree, that Tenshinhan could have the higher speed, but still be inferior in power, as the Daizenshuu 7 Battle Powers imply.

[LowRyder2005]

I don't think I'm following you. That's exactly what happens when Goku takes off his clothing. How are the two pieces of evidence contradicting each other?

You're saying speed is accounted for in one's battle power, I'm saying no, battle power is distinct from speed, but it has a direct influence on it(barring extreme body modifications).
So Goku takes off his weights, his battle power goes up and so does his speed as they are directly linked, but his speed itself is not measured in his battle power. Vegeta powers up against Kewi, and his speed goes up too, but it is not accounted for in his battle power number.
Goku is apparently faster than Ginyu, but Ginyu's battle power number is a good deal higher.
Ginyu in Goku's body is even faster, than before, but his battle power is far less, than what it was in his previous body.
This argument stems from a belief that BoZ Tenshinhan's battle power should be higher than 23rd TB weighted Goku's, because his speed was higher, but I and Hitiro seem to agree, that Tenshinhan could have the higher speed, but still be inferior in power, as the Daizenshuu 7 Battle Powers imply.

I agree on your conclusions on the whole Tenshinhan "issue" too (if it ever was an issue), so at this point I'm having doubts about how we got to this discussion in the first place.

No matter, yeah, I understood a little better your personal take on the whole issue now that you have reworded it. Your logical progression is a little different from mine but if I understood it correctly it reaches more or less the same conclusion.
We are both saying that speed influences the "power level" readings, either directly... or indirectly, like you are implying.

[Hitiro]

I don't think I'm following you. That's exactly what happens when Goku takes off his clothing. How are the two pieces of evidence contradicting each other?

You're saying speed is accounted for in one's battle power, I'm saying no, battle power is distinct from speed, but it has a direct influence on it(barring extreme body modifications).
So Goku takes off his weights, his battle power goes up and so does his speed as they are directly linked, but his speed itself is not measured in his battle power. Vegeta powers up against Kewi, and his speed goes up too, but it is not accounted for in his battle power number.
Goku is apparently faster than Ginyu, but Ginyu's battle power number is a good deal higher.
Ginyu in Goku's body is even faster, than before, but his battle power is far less, than what it was in his previous body.
This argument stems from a belief that BoZ Tenshinhan's battle power should be higher than 23rd TB weighted Goku's, because his speed was higher, but I and Hitiro seem to agree, that Tenshinhan could have the higher speed, but still be inferior in power, as the Daizenshuu 7 Battle Powers imply.

I agree on your conclusions on the whole Tenshinhan "issue" too (if it ever was an issue), so at this point I'm having doubts about how we got to this discussion in the first place.

No matter, yeah, I understood a little better your personal take on the whole issue now that you have reworded it. Your logical progression is a little different from mine but if I understood it correctly it reaches more or less the same conclusion.
We are both saying that speed influences the "power level" readings, either directly... or indirectly, like you are implying.

If you check on the previous page I say this stemmed from the fact that the Daizenshuu says Zenkai's stopped being a thing. But one of the arguments thrown about by others was that we shouldn't believe this because Tenshinhan is stated to have a lower battle power than Piccolo Daimaou in the very same Daizenshuu. But that statement doesn't necessarily need to be wrong as we pointed out. Not that it being wrong should have any bearing on other things stated in the Daizenshuu anyway. The simple fact of the matter is people are trying to look at the GT power levels as the characters receiving Zenkai's despite the fact there are several points after Namek in which characters should have received Zenkai's yet don't. Vegeta had several beat downs throughout the Android and Cell arcs yet his strength was not noted to be any different than it was originally. So to say Vegeta got massive power-ups in GT because of Zenkai's seems to be unlikely.

[apex_pretador]

You're saying speed is accounted for in one's battle power, I'm saying no, battle power is distinct from speed, but it has a direct influence on it(barring extreme body modifications).
So Goku takes off his weights, his battle power goes up and so does his speed as they are directly linked, but his speed itself is not measured in his battle power. Vegeta powers up against Kewi, and his speed goes up too, but it is not accounted for in his battle power number.
Goku is apparently faster than Ginyu, but Ginyu's battle power number is a good deal higher.
Ginyu in Goku's body is even faster, than before, but his battle power is far less, than what it was in his previous body.
This argument stems from a belief that BoZ Tenshinhan's battle power should be higher than 23rd TB weighted Goku's, because his speed was higher, but I and Hitiro seem to agree, that Tenshinhan could have the higher speed, but still be inferior in power, as the Daizenshuu 7 Battle Powers imply.

I agree on your conclusions on the whole Tenshinhan "issue" too (if it ever was an issue), so at this point I'm having doubts about how we got to this discussion in the first place.

No matter, yeah, I understood a little better your personal take on the whole issue now that you have reworded it. Your logical progression is a little different from mine but if I understood it correctly it reaches more or less the same conclusion.
We are both saying that speed influences the "power level" readings, either directly... or indirectly, like you are implying.

If you check on the previous page I say this stemmed from the fact that the Daizenshuu says Zenkai's stopped being a thing. But one of the arguments thrown about by others was that we shouldn't believe this because Tenshinhan is stated to have a lower battle power than Piccolo Daimaou in the very same Daizenshuu. But that statement doesn't necessarily need to be wrong as we pointed out. Not that it being wrong should have any bearing on other things stated in the Daizenshuu anyway. The simple fact of the matter is people are trying to look at the GT power levels as the characters receiving Zenkai's despite the fact there are several points after Namek in which characters should have received Zenkai's yet don't. Vegeta had several beat downs throughout the Android and Cell arcs yet his strength was not noted to be any different than it was originally. So to say Vegeta got massive power-ups in GT because of Zenkai's seems to be unlikely.

OK, I give up
enjoy a senzu bean cell

Anyways, back on topic, my point is (which it was from the very beginning) is issue of multipkiers in GT. See next post for that

[apex_pretador]

Issue of multipliers in GT:
1. In super 17 arc to shadow dragon arc:


Let's say goku beyond limits SS4 = 20,000 (it is just the sample number, multiply it with whatever you want).

Vegeta SS4 = Goku BL SS4 = 20,000
Syn shenron = about 16,000 (from the battle)
Goku SS4 = at max 12,000 (from battle)

Vegeta SS/SS2 (VS #17) = 2,000 (1/10 of SS4)

Super 17 = 3,000 (atleast)
Goku SS = 4,000 (atleast)


So, goku gets about 3x boost on top of his SSJ1 form , if we go by vegeta getting 10x boost , for SS4.

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2. In baby arc:

Base vegeta easily beats baby gohan. So, we can see :

baby's power + gohan's power << Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power >> Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power << SS vegeta's power

BUT , baby's power + SS gohan's power << BASE goku's power

So, base goku >>> base vegeta

But then, baby takes over SS vegeta.

SS vegeta + Baby's new power >= SS3 goku's power

Now, this implies that either

A.) Vegeta's SS multiplier far outclasses goku's SS multiplier

B.) Baby's power alone has increased thousands of times after entering vegeta's body, and is many, many times superior to SS vegeta alone.

BUT B.) is not possible, you know why:

When goku got golden ozaru, & then SS4, we know this:

Golden ozaru baby = SS vegeta x 10 + Baby's power + baby's power from his other hosts (Because only saiyans go great ape, not tuffels) >>> SBV 2

So, we know that 9x of SS vegeta's power is massively stronger than baby's power + MUCH more power.
So, baby's power can't be many times superior to SS vegeta's power.

Hence, Vegeta has bigger SS multiplier than Goku in GT.

[TheMikado]

Issue of multipliers in GT:
1. In super 17 arc to shadow dragon arc:


Let's say goku beyond limits SS4 = 20,000 (it is just the sample number, multiply it with whatever you want).

Vegeta SS4 = Goku BL SS4 = 20,000
Syn shenron = about 16,000 (from the battle)
Goku SS4 = at max 12,000 (from battle)

Vegeta SS/SS2 (VS #17) = 2,000 (1/10 of SS4)

Super 17 = 3,000 (atleast)
Goku SS = 4,000 (atleast)


So, goku gets about 3x boost on top of his SSJ1 form , if we go by vegeta getting 10x boost , for SS4.

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2. In baby arc:

Base vegeta easily beats baby gohan. So, we can see :

baby's power + gohan's power << Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power >> Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power << SS vegeta's power

BUT , baby's power + SS gohan's power << BASE goku's power

So, base goku >>> base vegeta

But then, baby takes over SS vegeta.

SS vegeta + Baby's new power >= SS3 goku's power

Now, this implies that either

A.) Vegeta's SS multiplier far outclasses goku's SS multiplier

B.) Baby's power alone has increased thousands of times after entering vegeta's body, and is many, many times superior to SS vegeta alone.

BUT B.) is not possible, you know why:

When goku got golden ozaru, & then SS4, we know this:

Golden ozaru baby = SS vegeta x 10 + Baby's power + baby's power from his other hosts (Because only saiyans go great ape, not tuffels) >>> SBV 2

So, we know that 9x of SS vegeta's power is massively stronger than baby's power + MUCH more power.
So, baby's power can't be many times superior to SS vegeta's power.

Hence, Vegeta has bigger SS multiplier than Goku in GT.

When Gohan fought Goku, baby had left his body and possessed Vegeta. This means Goku fought scrubby ordinary Gohan and Goten.
The below is literally all wrong.
"Base vegeta easily beats baby gohan. So, we can see :

baby's power + gohan's power << Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power >> Base vegeta's power
Baby's power + SS gohan's power << SS vegeta's power

BUT , baby's power + SS gohan's power << BASE goku's power

So, base goku >>> base vegeta

But then, baby takes over SS vegeta.

SS vegeta + Baby's new power >= SS3 goku's power"

I wont even touch the Oozaru stuff at all because your base premise is so far off base.
In terms of Super 17 I don't know how you come to your conclusions. Super 17 wipes everybody and Vegeta doesn't go down that easily, but even SSJ4 couldn't win due to his special ability.
In the end the only way was getting him to do his stupid stance during which likely any of the Z fighters could have taken him out as his guard was completely down in that stance.

Serious question, no sarcasm. Have you actually watched GT or just read the synopsis? When you watch the fights and who and when they are defeated they make perfect sense but if youre just read the synopsis that's the only way you could make the confusing conclusions you've made.

I'm posting this again because it is again the only multipliers that make sense.
Babis powers are additive to host, plus previous hosts. Previous hosts do NOT retain the Babi addictive power but merely are under his control.

Goku 1
Vegeta 1
Babi 1 X 200 On earth after possessing large numbers of people
Babi Goten 1 x 250- 300
Babi Gohan 1 x 350- 400
Babi Vegeta 1 x 450- 500 approximately
Goku SSJ3 1 x 400 (Still Less than Baby)
Goku SSJ4 1 x 500 (Base Goku 1 X 50SSJ x 10 Oozaru form)
Oozuru Baby 1 x 900 (SSJ Vegeta 1 X 50SSJ x 10 Oozaru form + Babi acquired Ki.)
Goku Full Power SSJ4 1 x 1000 ( Goku 1 x 100SSJ2 x 10 Oozaur form)
Super 17 likely around Babis power level - It was his special ability which made him unbeatable not his power level
Omega Sheron probably 1 x 1500 (This would be greater than base SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta combined at x 500 each, full power would require assistance from others like God power)
Gogeta SSJ4 1x 2000- 4000 ( This is using the most consistent fusion calculator I've found. (Potential A + Potential B) x2 = fusion power level (base)


I posted the long version earlier in this thread Refer to that if you want specifics.

Anyway using these multipliers makes the power levels consistent throughout the entirety of the GT series. Its really NOT that complicated.

[Hitiro]

@apex_pretador Saying that multipliers cause issues is irrelevant because addition would be littered with the same issues except in different areas. If they were something akin to addition then the forms would become obsolete. For instance:

Base Goku(EoZ)
Ki: 1

SSJ3 Goku(EoZ)
Ki: 1+ 400 = 401

Base Goku(GT)
Ki: 400

SSJ Goku(GT)
Ki: 400 + 50 = 450

SSJ3 Goku(GT)
Ki: 400 + 400 = 800

^As you can see Goku is only twice as strong in his SSJ3 form in GT but his SSJ form would only become 1/4th(25%) stronger rendering it essentially only useful for enemies who are close to Goku in strength. Also if we're saying That Vegeta is behind Goku by a significant margin, let's say he is 2x weaker then it would look something akin to this:

Base Vegeta(GT)
Ki: 200

Hypothetical SSJ3 Vegeta(GT)
Ki: 200 + 400 = 600

These figures would work out exactly the same if we were to use a multipliers and change the gaps. Below I've made Vegeta only 1/4th weaker than rather than saying he is 2x weaker than Goku then we get this:

Base Vegeta(GT)
Ki: 1.5

Hypothetical SSJ3 Vegeta(GT)
Ki: 1.5 * 400 = 600

So either way you're going to have issues. But at least if you use multipliers then Vegeta can have a higher base power and get similar results to the addition examples. There would also not be an issue with transformations becoming obsolete because transformations will always provide the same benefit.

[TheMikado]

After some thought I believe Goku's incredible base power level in GT makes sense if the events of BotG and RoF took place.
From GT we know that Goku > Rildo >/= Buu >/= SSj3, meaning we know base Goku is at least stronger than SSJ3.
Based off of BotG we know the only form stronger than SSJ3 (Outside of SSJ4) is SSJG and that once they have it mastered they basically look normal.

So What happened and how can the events of Super and GT be true?
Here is my personal theory.

During the events of Super, Vegeta and Goku were able to master the SSJB form causing it to appear as regular SSJ.
The only difference is that their base power levels were substantially higher.

Bumping this on the off chance that the bolded is true based on the fact that SSJ has returned after 3 years in the RoSaT.
Not saying it's correct but the possibility of it just raised a few degrees.

[TheMerchant30]

Doesn't GT continue from the animes timeline, in which Kid Buu was the strongest Buu? If so Goku's base in GT already equals Uub, who is as strong as Kid Buu. Since Kid is the strongest Buu in the anime, he's stronger than Buuhan, who implied he was stronger than Base Vegito at his full power. Meaning Base GT Goku=Kid Buu>Buuhan>Base Vegito. So I think something like this works:

Base Vegito (Z): 1

Base Goku (GT): 2.

SSJ Goku: 100

SSJ2 Goku: 200

SSJ3 Goku: 800.

This makes SSJ3 Goku 16 x stronger than Super Vegito. Goku in battle of Gods did say a fusion couldn't beat the level of power Beerus used against him, which was below 10% Let's say he used 1% So Beerus 1%>SSJ Vegito, being generous let's say SSJ3 Vegito as well. At 100% Beeus would be 40,000. Goku's next boost is SSJ4, which is accepted to be a 10 x multiplier. So he would be an 8.000. Finally, his new move in that show is KHH x 10, making the KHH an 80,000, twice as strong as Beerus. Of course, this is simply if you power scale, Beerus's feat of nullifying Universe destroying energies is beyond anything in GT, which the biggest level of destruction ever established was the destruction of a Galaxy by the Shadow Dragons in the past and how Omega was also stated to destroy a Galaxy as well if not stopped.

[OkamiTakahashi]

Honestly, I really don't care for all the GT hate; like just get over it already! Power levels change and fluctuate over time all the time; either raising or lowering. Does it really matter if characters in GT are weaker than in Z or Super? Not to me. As time passes, characters weaken. Even with training they can lose some of their strength imo. It's a thing that comes with age. Characters in Dragon Ball have longer life spans than regular people in real life, too, don't forget. Goku's way over 80 by the time GT ends.

Either way, I can see a bit of continuity between Super and GT. But with whom you ask? Easy. Gohan. He was pitifully weak in the Revival of F Saga. Look at how much he's trained in GT- definitely stronger than he was in Super.

[Hitiro]

Doesn't GT continue from the animes timeline, in which Kid Buu was the strongest Buu? If so Goku's base in GT already equals Uub, who is as strong as Kid Buu. Since Kid is the strongest Buu in the anime, he's stronger than Buuhan, who implied he was stronger than Base Vegito at his full power. Meaning Base GT Goku=Kid Buu>Buuhan>Base Vegito. So I think something like this works:

Base Vegito (Z): 1

Base Goku (GT): 2.

SSJ Goku: 100

SSJ2 Goku: 200

SSJ3 Goku: 800.

This makes SSJ3 Goku 16 x stronger than Super Vegito. Goku in battle of Gods did say a fusion couldn't beat the level of power Beerus used against him, which was below 10% Let's say he used 1% So Beerus 1%>SSJ Vegito, being generous let's say SSJ3 Vegito as well. At 100% Beeus would be 40,000. Goku's next boost is SSJ4, which is accepted to be a 10 x multiplier. So he would be an 8.000. Finally, his new move in that show is KHH x 10, making the KHH an 80,000, twice as strong as Beerus. Of course, this is simply if you power scale, Beerus's feat of nullifying Universe destroying energies is beyond anything in GT, which the biggest level of destruction ever established was the destruction of a Galaxy by the Shadow Dragons in the past and how Omega was also stated to destroy a Galaxy as well if not stopped.

I would assume the anime took the approach that Pure Boo was the strongest Boo that didn't have outside fusion material. Otherwise you would have to rectify that SSJ3 Goku was weaker than Bootenks and Boohan and only SSJ Vegetto could take them then magically was stronger than SSJ Vegetto all of a sudden because Goku states he could beat Pure Boo at his full power. Effectively:

SSJ3 Goku: 4
Bootenks: 8
Boohan: 10
SSJ Vegetto: 15
Pure Boo: 16
SSJ3 Goku(Magically stronger for no reason): 18

I would also say that it is still inconsistent if you assume that Pure Boo is the strongest of the Boo's that didn't have outside fusion material because Goku was wetting his pants at the prospect of fighting Evil Boo but when it came to Pure Boo he was perfectly happy in fighting him 1 on 1 and considered he could beat Pure Boo at full power.

I also don't think we can assume that Goku was thinking Beerus 1% is superior to SSJ Vegetto. Goku knew that Beerus wasn't giving it his all and thus factored that into the equation too. Plenty of other characters have estimated others strength fairly well. Only in some circumstances have they been wrong. Kuririn after receiving a kick from Cell for instance knew that Cell was superior to Vegeta even though Cell wasn't outputting his full strength. I would imagine that Goku was thinking SSJ Vegetto would be well above 10% of Beerus' power but nowhere near Beerus' maximum power. I have a hard time believing that an Enraged Vegeta went from being less than 1% of Beerus power to forcing Beerus to use 10% That would be a ridiculous increase. As it stands it is probably something like Goku being 6%, Non-enraged Vegeta being 4% and finally Enraged Vegeta being 8% of Beerus' power(I think a 2x rage boost is acceptable).

Honestly, I really don't care for all the GT hate; like just get over it already! Power levels change and fluctuate over time all the time; either raising or lowering. Does it really matter if characters in GT are weaker than in Z or Super? Not to me. As time passes, characters weaken. Even with training they can lose some of their strength imo. It's a thing that comes with age. Characters in Dragon Ball have longer life spans than regular people in real life, too, don't forget. Goku's way over 80 by the time GT ends.

Either way, I can see a bit of continuity between Super and GT. But with whom you ask? Easy. Gohan. He was pitifully weak in the Revival of F Saga. Look at how much he's trained in GT- definitely stronger than he was in Super.

Do you mean after the time skip into the future when only pan is left alive? Because Goku and Vegeta were in their 50's(If Goku hadn't been turned into a child) in the end of GT before Goku vanished.

[OkamiTakahashi]

Well, according to Super, that's an inconsistency. I know, annoying right? In Super, Goku has stated the he and Vegeta are both 80. I'm not sure if Goku was factoring in all the time he's spent altogether in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or what though. I mean he could have but we all know Goku's a knucklehead who's horrible with math. So I suppose either age could be correct depending on whether Goku's math is right or not.

[dbgtFO]

Well, according to Super, that's an inconsistency. I know, annoying right? In Super, Goku has stated the he and Vegeta are both 80. I'm not sure if Goku was factoring in all the time he's spent altogether in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or what though. I mean he could have but we all know Goku's a knucklehead who's horrible with math. So I suppose either age could be correct depending on whether Goku's math is right or not.

Goku just said, that Vegeta told him they stay in their youth until they are 80 years old, not that they are actually 80 years old at that point in time.

[Hitiro]

Well, according to Super, that's an inconsistency. I know, annoying right? In Super, Goku has stated the he and Vegeta are both 80. I'm not sure if Goku was factoring in all the time he's spent altogether in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or what though. I mean he could have but we all know Goku's a knucklehead who's horrible with math. So I suppose either age could be correct depending on whether Goku's math is right or not.

As dbgtFO said above they said that they would maintain their prime till their 80. They aren't actually 80.

[Khin]

Doesn't GT continue from the animes timeline, in which Kid Buu was the strongest Buu? If so Goku's base in GT already equals Uub, who is as strong as Kid Buu. Since Kid is the strongest Buu in the anime, he's stronger than Buuhan, who implied he was stronger than Base Vegito at his full power. Meaning Base GT Goku=Kid Buu>Buuhan>Base Vegito. So I think something like this works:

Base Vegito (Z): 1

Base Goku (GT): 2.

SSJ Goku: 100

SSJ2 Goku: 200

SSJ3 Goku: 800.

This makes SSJ3 Goku 16 x stronger than Super Vegito. Goku in battle of Gods did say a fusion couldn't beat the level of power Beerus used against him, which was below 10% Let's say he used 1% So Beerus 1%>SSJ Vegito, being generous let's say SSJ3 Vegito as well. At 100% Beeus would be 40,000. Goku's next boost is SSJ4, which is accepted to be a 10 x multiplier. So he would be an 8.000. Finally, his new move in that show is KHH x 10, making the KHH an 80,000, twice as strong as Beerus. Of course, this is simply if you power scale, Beerus's feat of nullifying Universe destroying energies is beyond anything in GT, which the biggest level of destruction ever established was the destruction of a Galaxy by the Shadow Dragons in the past and how Omega was also stated to destroy a Galaxy as well if not stopped.

I would assume the anime took the approach that Pure Boo was the strongest Boo that didn't have outside fusion material. Otherwise you would have to rectify that SSJ3 Goku was weaker than Bootenks and Boohan and only SSJ Vegetto could take them then magically was stronger than SSJ Vegetto all of a sudden because Goku states he could beat Pure Boo at his full power. Effectively:

SSJ3 Goku: 4
Bootenks: 8
Boohan: 10
SSJ Vegetto: 15
Pure Boo: 16
SSJ3 Goku(Magically stronger for no reason): 18

I would also say that it is still inconsistent if you assume that Pure Boo is the strongest of the Boo's that didn't have outside fusion material because Goku was wetting his pants at the prospect of fighting Evil Boo but when it came to Pure Boo he was perfectly happy in fighting him 1 on 1 and considered he could beat Pure Boo at full power.

I also don't think we can assume that Goku was thinking Beerus 1% is superior to SSJ Vegetto. Goku knew that Beerus wasn't giving it his all and thus factored that into the equation too. Plenty of other characters have estimated others strength fairly well. Only in some circumstances have they been wrong. Kuririn after receiving a kick from Cell for instance knew that Cell was superior to Vegeta even though Cell wasn't outputting his full strength. I would imagine that Goku was thinking SSJ Vegetto would be well above 10% of Beerus' power but nowhere near Beerus' maximum power. I have a hard time believing that an Enraged Vegeta went from being less than 1% of Beerus power to forcing Beerus to use 10% That would be a ridiculous increase. As it stands it is probably something like Goku being 6%, Non-enraged Vegeta being 4% and finally Enraged Vegeta being 8% of Beerus' power(I think a 2x rage boost is acceptable).

Honestly, I really don't care for all the GT hate; like just get over it already! Power levels change and fluctuate over time all the time; either raising or lowering. Does it really matter if characters in GT are weaker than in Z or Super? Not to me. As time passes, characters weaken. Even with training they can lose some of their strength imo. It's a thing that comes with age. Characters in Dragon Ball have longer life spans than regular people in real life, too, don't forget. Goku's way over 80 by the time GT ends.

Either way, I can see a bit of continuity between Super and GT. But with whom you ask? Easy. Gohan. He was pitifully weak in the Revival of F Saga. Look at how much he's trained in GT- definitely stronger than he was in Super.

Do you mean after the time skip into the future when only pan is left alive? Because Goku and Vegeta were in their 50's(If Goku hadn't been turned into a child) in the end of GT before Goku vanished.

You seem to forget that Anime Base Vegetto stomped Gohan-Boo.So there's no way Anime Vegetto is only 50% stronger than Gohan-Boo.

[OkamiTakahashi]

Well, according to Super, that's an inconsistency. I know, annoying right? In Super, Goku has stated the he and Vegeta are both 80. I'm not sure if Goku was factoring in all the time he's spent altogether in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or what though. I mean he could have but we all know Goku's a knucklehead who's horrible with math. So I suppose either age could be correct depending on whether Goku's math is right or not.

As dbgtFO said above they said that they would maintain their prime till their 80. They aren't actually 80.

Whoops. That was a misinterpretation on my part then.

[Hitiro]

You seem to forget that Anime Base Vegetto stomped Gohan-Boo.So there's no way Anime Vegetto is only 50% stronger than Gohan-Boo.

I didn't forget. I just opted for the Manga based feats in this scenario to show the scale of power on the lower end of the scale. Basically I was trying to say even if you took the weaker version of Vegetto it wouldn't make much sense. If you were to use Anime Base Vegetto as an example then it completely screws up the whole "Pure Boo being stronger than Boohan" even further really as Goku would need to some how get much more stronger than the example I used. Perhaps I should have used that end of the scale instead?

SSJ3 Goku: 4
Bootenks: 8
Boohan: 10
Anime Base Vegetto: 15
SSJ Vegetto: 15*50 = 750
Pure Boo: 760
SSJ3 Goku(Magically stronger for no reason): 780

[LowRyder2005]

Everything picture-perfect, minus the fact that Goku doesn't really need to be stronger than SS Vegito.
I suppose his SS3 at "full power" could reasonably be around Base Vegito, according to TOEI. I'd make it:

SS3 Goku vs. Fat Buu: 4
SS3 Gotenks: 5
Super Buu: 5
Saikyou No Senshi Gohan: 6
Buutenks: 8
Buuhan: 10
Base Vegito: 15
SS Vegito: 15*50 = 750
Pure Buu: 12
Serious SSJ3 Goku: 12 - 10 (most of the fight vs. Kid Buu)
100% SSJ3 Goku: 15

The downside of this scale is that... well, it still isn't properly explained why Goku would rather fuse with Gohan forever than just flooring Gotenks-Buu. Perhaps he overestimated Buu's regeneration despite his totally overwhelming power or... well, something like that. I guess.

EDIT: My bad. Just read you voluntarily took the other end of the scale, highballing Goku. Disregard what I said, then.

Digressing, anyway: that being said, I think it's rather arbitrary to put Kid Buu = GT Uub or Base/ Super Saiyan (GT) Goku = Super Saiyan 3 (Z) Goku.

As far as we know, both could be vastly stronger or weaker, we really lack any comparisons. The Z Goku/ GT Goku comparison is especially troublesome: you can say he was referring to Mr. Buu (and it would make much more sense from an in-universe perspective: Pan has never seen Kid Buu, and they all got acquainted with Mr. Buu) and you can create a power-level framework in which Base or Super Saiyan Goku is about as strong or stronger than his Super Saiyan 2 Z self, and you can say TOEI just wanted to reference Kid Buu in the usual "hey, new enemy is totally stronger than anyone who came before, duh" and create an entirely different framework... in which you have the Base/SS Goku equal to his Super Saiyan 3 form in the Buu saga.

Anyway, I think it's fair to say that is one of the main reasons why the fans' opinions about GT's power scale compared to Z and, nowadays, Super are extremely variegated.