Zombie wrote:Semi Cell [Initial; no power up] vs Super Saiyan Vegeta [1st RoSaT]
Base Gohan [Champa arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [BoG]
Base Gohan [Champa arc] vs SSJ3 Gotenks
— Vegeta's got a power advantage, but a relatively small one. He could win, but it'd take everything he can dish out. Grade 2 just makes it so much easier.
— Who knows, who cares?
— Ditto. My "give a crap" meter is essentially at 0 for Super now.
apex_pretador wrote:- Nail vs piccolo jr (pre fusion)
- SS vegeta (android arc) vs Tenshinhan
- Yamcha vs nappa
- cell vs fat buu
- king piccolo vs raditz
- SS Vegetto vs kid buu
— Could go either way. They're both incredibly skilled fighters with all the same natural abilities.
— Ten's only hope is a Kikoho, but Vegeta probably won't let it happen. Vegeta's natural toughness and physical strength wins in the end.
— Same as above. Nappa's built like a friggin' tank, and was tough to beat even for someone twice his power level. Once he catches Yamcha, he's going to be able to do and withstand a lot more damage.
— Boo's regeneration is way better than Cell's, who doesn't have the power advantage needed to overcome it. The battle either drags on with Boo eventually winning, or Boo wins early on by turning Cell into candy.
— I'm gonna say Raditz. He has the same natural toughness and strength as other Saiyans, especially compared to King Piccolo who's not even actually naturally suited for battle like a Warrior-type.
— Vegetto because he's Vegetto. He's got far better ki control and skill than either Goku or Vegeta alone, so the fight will be tough but he'll manage to do what Goku failed to do and summon a big enough attack to totally eradicate Boo.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:SSj Goten and SSj Trunks (Post ROSAT) runs the gaunlet together.
— They manage to defeat Piccolo, who's still roughly on their level in power but has a big skill advantage, after a very tough fight. They stop there.
Roronoa-pt wrote:ROF/DBS Muten Roshi's full power Kamehameha vs Raditz.
Tamborine vs Tenshinhan ( Piccolo Daimao saga )
Muten Roshi vs Cymbal ( Piccolo Daimao saga )
— I'm gonna say Muten Roshi, no doubt about it. I'd guess his regular PL now is at least a few thousand already, given how many Freeza mooks he was stomping through, which would already make him significantly stronger than Raditz's 1,500. Using a full-power Kamehameha on top of that would spell doom for Raditz.
— Tambourine was easy pickings for a refreshed and full-power Goku, so I'm betting Tenshinhan could beat him too. It might not be as easy for him though.
— My gut tells me Roshi can win here. Tambourine is probably too much for him, but if I recall correctly Cymbal was much weaker.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:Super Saiyan Goku (As a child in GT) vs Super Perfect Cell (If had survived the Father Son Kamehameha and regenerated).
Super Saiyan 3 Time Patrol Trunks and Tapion (Both with Brave Swords) vs Super Janemba and Kogu (With Dimension Sword and Devilish Blade respectively).
Super Saiyan 4 Goku (If Goku had achieved the form during his 7 years of training in the Otherworld) vs Super Buu (Gotenks and Piccolo Absorbed).
— GT Logic: Our great lord and savior Son Goku only needs 1% of his base power to emerge victorious. Normal Logic: Goku's probably got this with Super Saiyan, but it wouldn't necessarily be easy.
— We don't know how strong Tapion really is, so his contribution is unknown. But I doubt TP Trunks is significantly stronger than Boo-arc Goku, so he gets spanked by Janemba. Gokua just provides a little extra hurt.
— Hard to tell since we don't have any sort of official "multiplier" for Super Saiyan 4. But if it's as potent an increase as it seemed at its debut against Baby, then I'm sure it shoots Goku far ahead of Boo here.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Current Piccolo in Super from what we seen so far vs.
My gut tells me he's in the Super Saiyan 2 range of power by now. He charges through the first chunk of the list, winning a hard-fought battle against full-power Cell and then totally murdering Dabra
(who's only on a SS1 level). But he's still only about half as strong as Broli, who ends his run.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:Krillin (Freeza Saga) vs Raditz and Nappa.
Super Saiyan Xeno Bardock vs First Form Freeza (Resurrection F).
Piccolo (Fused with Nail, Kami, and King Piccolo) vs Dabura (Majin and after meditating).
Vegito (Fusion Saga) vs Legendary Super Saiyan 3 Broly.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Super Janemba.
— This is a completely one-sided victory for Kuririn. These two are at 1,500 and 4,000 while Kuririn is way up there at 75,000. They could both go Oozaru and he could still handle them.
— Don't know anything about Heroes stuff. Pass.
— Piccolo Jr merging with Piccolo Sr is impossible since the latter no longer exists, and even if he did they're two different types of Namekian and thus incompatible... But if it somehow could happen, I'm still not really sure what Piccolo'd get out of it. If I assume it just doubles his power like with Kami, then he'd probably be able to beat Dabra as long as he fights carefully and smartly.
— Broli's "Legendary" Super Saiyan 3 wouldn't make him significantly stronger than anyone else at Super Saiyan 3. It'd just be one more step above his LSS form, which already serves as his substitute for SS2. He's only moderately stronger than SS3 Goku and absolutely nothing to Super Vegetto.
EDIT: I just noticed you meant base Vegetto. In that case, Broli wins. Base Vegetto is somewhere on the Super Saiyan 2 tier of power by my figures, and even without some "special" version of SS3, Broli's still way stronger than that.
— Since base Goku's strength is still below Freeza's, he probably hasn't improved by huge amounts in the few years since Majin Boo. He's still absolutely no match for Janemba.
Question regarding about a fanfiction I am working on, if the Wormhole created by Demon God Démigra had sent First Form Hirudegarn and Legendary Super Saiyan Broly both in Villainous Mode back in time to get rid of Gohan which time-period should they be sent to?
Pretty much any time period. Gohan will find some way to screw up and lose no matter what.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:Cell Games Saga Piccolo (With turban and mantle) vs Super Vegeta (The same one Perfect Cell beat).
Post Freeza Saga Super Saiyan Goku (After he had healed from fighting Freeza) vs Mecha Freeza.
Majin Buu Saga Gotenks (If he had trained for the full year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber) vs Fat Buu.
Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs Super Saiyan Broly (From the second Broly movie).
Super Saiyan God Goku vs Super Saiyan 4 Broly.
Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta vs Omega Shenron.
Saiyan Beyond God Goku vs Syn Shenron.
— I really doubt Piccolo's weights affect his power level all that much anymore. He beats Super Vegeta, both because of a moderate power advantage and because Grade 2 will gradually start working against Vegeta.
— It's a much tougher fight, but Goku still wins.
— SS Gotenks was already a match for Fat Boo in my book after those 2-ish weeks, so a full year would probably shoot him so high in power that he might be able to pull it off even in base. Odds are his gains would plateau at some point, but I'm sure at least his Super Saiyan power would be well beyond Fat Boo before it did.
— This Broli's on-par with his "Legendary" SS self from his prior movie, and is too strong for Gohan to handle without Super Saiyan 2.
— I'm pretty sure the god characters are well above any of the Super Saiyan 4s
(sans maybe Gogeta), especially a hypothetical
(but impossible) SS4 Broli.
— Unknown, but if any prior villain could potentially beat the gods, it's Super Yi Xing Long.
— Unknown again.
Zombie wrote:Piccolo (CG arc) vs Perfect Cell [vs SSJG2 Vegeta]
Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Roshi [All RoF arc] vs 2nd form Freeza [Namek arc]
1 Saibamen vs Gine
— Both are a little stronger than Super Vegeta, which results in an even fight with no clear winner.
— Freeza has a PL of over a million, while even Kuririn and Tenshinhan would be lucky to ever hit 200,000 in my book. Unless they get lucky with any Kienzan or Kikoho usage, the Earthlings get decimated.
— Gine's only issue in combat was said to be her personality, not her power level. So assuming she's average in strength and has no hang-ups about fighting a random Saibaiman, I'm betting she beats it.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Piccolo (Pre Nail merging) runs the gauntlet.
Piccolo's power before the merger is unclear. He seems confident in fighting someone vaguely described as "stronger than Vegeta," but he never really even felt Vegeta's true power back on Earth. I'd say the most he potentially could do is fight or beat Nail. Anyone stronger than that is too much for him.
Darkron2151 wrote:SSG Goku (BOG Arc) vs. Golden Freeza (Can Goku last long enough to stall out Freeza's drain?)
SSJ3 Goku (BOG Arc) vs. Super Buu (Buu Arc)
Piccolo (ROF Arc) vs. SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
Cell Jrs vs. SSJ Gohan (Cell Games) (How many Jrs can Gohan handle at once?)
Vegetto (BOG) vs. Freeza (True Form/ROF Arc) (What level of SSJ can Freeza handle until he turns Golden?)
Freeza (Mecha), Cooler (Super Form), and King Cold vs. SSJ Yardrat Goku and SSJ Future Trunks (Trunks' Arrival) *Everyone's at Full Power*
SSJ Future Gohan (One Arm), SSJ Future Trunks (Trunks' Arrival), and SSJ Yardrat Goku vs. Future Androids 17 and 18
SSJ Goku (Buu Arc) vs. SSJ Broly (Movie 10)
— Goku can't outlast Freeza unless he can somehow hold on to the Super Saiyan God form for much longer than he did against Beerus. Probably not happening.
— Goku's base form still being inferior to Freeza means he probably hasn't improved much since the Boo arc. Evil Boo is still too strong for him.
— Unclear. Not making any assumptions. Care too little about Super.
— I'm thinking Gohan could handle 3, maybe four at once without getting overwhelmed. He needs Super Saiyan 2 to (easily) prevail against all of them.
— I'd say Super Vegetto can probably handle the normal Freeza. It's not until Freeza goes gold and Goku goes blue that the powers at work shot up above DBZ's previous strongest.
— Trunks and Goku will probably still prevail, although the inclusion of Coola makes it pretty difficult for them. That's essentially adding another Freeza, while Cold is somewhat weaker than either of them.
— Broli here is about as strong as full-power Perfect Cell, and a little stronger than SS Goku. But unlike Cell, Broli doesn't have regeneration, numerous skills, or a worthwhile amount of battle smarts. Plus he's kind of a skinny punk instead of being a hulking monster. The odds are actually in Goku's favor despite the minor power disadvantage.
Zombie wrote:Nam vs Bora
General Blue vs Bora
Android 8 vs Goku [Post Karin]
Jaco vs Goku [23rd TB]
— Uh...
*flips coin* Bora wins.
— Bora already got to win once, so this time I'll say Blue wins.
— Gonna say Goku's got this one. He's improved a lot since Muscle Tower.
— Jaco can't contend with the average adult Saiyan, but Goku's still well below average at this point. Jaco can win, though he still might want to avoid direct combat. If it's Jaco from RF, then it's not an issue and he just easily spanks Goku.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:- Tenshinhan,Kuririn,Yamcha and Chaozu (Saiyan Arc) vs. Appule
- Tsuru-sennin vs. Chi Chi (23rd Budokai)
- Genki Dama (Against Pure Boo) with SSj Goku pushing it vs. Super Janemba
- 1st Form Freeza (Post Training) vs. Hirudegarn
- Tarble vs. Jaco (Minus)
- Aka vs. Android 16
- Base Goku and Base Vegeta (BOG Arc) vs. 100% Final Form Freeza (Namek)
- Mecha Freeza and King Cold vs. SSj Goku (Namek)
- Mecha Freeza and King Cold vs. 5th Form Cooler
- 1,000 Freeza mooks (ROF Arc) vs. Nail
— We don't have any official number for Appule, do we? Either way, I'd bet he's not as strong as an elite Saiyan, and especially not as resilient as Nappa. The Earthling gang can probably take him down.
— Hard to say. My gut says Chi-Chi, since she's on-par with Muten Roshi who's supposedly stronger than the Crane Hermit.
— It depends on just how "overkill" that Spirit Bomb was meant to be. It
might be enough to take out the several-fold stronger Janemba too, but I'd say the odds are pretty low.
— Hard to say. Base "beyond-god" Goku and Vegeta's strength, and thus Freeza's alongside them, isn't really made clear.
— Goku can probably still win, but it wouldn't be easy. Especially since he doesn't have a trained and reliable grasp on Super Saiyan yet.
— Coola and Freeza are essentially equal in power, but Cold's backup tips the scales in his favorite kid's favor.
— If Nail's not interested in being non-lethal like the heroes in RF, then he can wipe out the entire army pretty quickly.
apex_pretador wrote:5th form cooler , SS yadrat goku & SS future trunks (android arc) vs future 18
Cooler vs piccolo(android, pre fusion) , cooler can't turn to 5th form
Cooler 5th form vs pre kamii piccolo
Broly M-8 vs fooler (freeza-cooler true form fusion dance)
Broly M-10 vs foolest (5th form fooler)
— Against someone else the team's odds would be good, but Eighteen's infinite stamina keeps the scales tipped in her favor.
— Piccolo is a bit ahead of SS Trunks by now, and Coola gets his purple ass whooped.
— Coola loses again, although the beat-down is a smidge less one-sided this time.
— I don't have a "Fusion Formula" of any kind, but if I give "Foola" an increase in-between Gotenks' and Gogeta's, then... he ends up on a low Super Saiyan 2 level. Movie 8 Broli gets beaten.
— Giving Foola the fifth form boosts him up to a higher Super Saiyan 2 level, but this version of Broli's still a little stronger than that. Foola may be able to make up for it with smarts and technique though, so it could go either way.
