This is another pet peeve of mine. To say that they are two entirely different products is a ridiculously extreme point of view and downright pretentious. They're not "two entirely different products." They have different tones and their use of characters differ here and there, sure - but come on. The two entirely different shows is a thing dub haters LOVE to bring up. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, I believe Funimation did an excellent job personally even though I prefer the sub.Ajay wrote:I dislike how divided the community is. You can see it in this thread. Dub vs sub, Faulconer vs Kikuchi, Kai vs Z; the list is endless. Everyone's a victim.
I wish it was just a simple case of saying "We're all talking about the same show, guys!", but that's not possible. English Z and Japanese Z are two entirely different products.
Kai is honestly the closest thing we have to being able to talk about the same show regardless of language,!
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When you change characters, music, lines and intent, you end up with a huge number of small differences that amount to an overall very different product. You outlined these issues yourself.
It's not pretentious whatsoever. That's such an embarrassingly empty description. It is what it is. Your reaction only furthers my point.
You are allowed to appreciate something while also understanding it's not an accurate representation of the source material.
It's not pretentious whatsoever. That's such an embarrassingly empty description. It is what it is. Your reaction only furthers my point.
You are allowed to appreciate something while also understanding it's not an accurate representation of the source material.
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Ajay's pretty much on the money.
1: Original Japanese anime: Classic Shaw Bros. & Golden Harvest Wuxia Pastiche for children.
2: Original FUNimation Dub: Typical "Faux-Hardcore Xtreme 2 Tha Max!" 90s American Children's Action Cartoon.
3: Kai: Something that's been skewed to be a bit more typically akin to just another run of the mill modern Japanese shonen anime (i.e. the closest rough Japanese approximation of number 2).
Its all in the tone, scripting, music, performances, and overall execution, all of which ABSOLUTELY DOES make a GIGANTIC WORLD of difference. Hell, the old FUNimation dub would even go so far as to tinker with actual major plot points that we'd needed tons of threads, write ups, and FAQs just to help clear up for everyone for quite some time.
Take it from someone who's been following this crap since 1992: we in this community have not at all been talking about the same show whatsoever roughly 80 to 90% of the time.
The most rock solid foundational common ground we all have to share is in all honesty probably the manga: where all you really have to worry about is the occasional odd quirky Viz-ism (which are never anywhere NEAR on the level what FUNimation used to do).
So with all of that of course its a divided fandom: you've got sincere fans of Kiddie Testosterone-fueled American Action Cartoons (a fandom which I genuinely had not the slightest fucking idea was a thing that even existed until I first started posting here years and years back) butting heads with fans of shonen anime (of the more modern sort usually, and who are also an entity that I genuinely didn't know a damn thing about until I came here), which are two ENTIRELY different beasts completely with almost nothing in the way of common ground in what it is they're looking for in a series like this (ironically in spite of the two types of shows being rough cultural approximations of one another in many ways, they still have their fair share of very distinct differences that can drive a wedge in a large group of people of this sort).
Me and my decrepitly old, all but evaporated generation of folks who were in it originally at one time long, long ago mainly just as Classic Kung Fu Film dorks are pretty much out of the equation entirely these days, leaving me completely in the lurch as a stranger in a strange land whenever I've tried to post here over the years.
As to what I don't like about the fandom? Hoo boy.
I could easily do one of my patented dissertations on this topic (and I may yet possibly somewhere down the road) but for me I can try and quickly summarize my main issue being that the vast overwhelming majority of the fanbase over the last 15-ish years or so has been comprised of two warring factions of Children's Cartoon enthusiasts, whereas my interest in DB has (now and always) had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with its status as a children's series (while of course always acknowledging that it was). It was always liked by myself as well as a significant portion of other people during my era of fandom IN SPITE OF and not BECAUSE OF it being a thing for children: that part of it was always just incidental.
I don't now, nor have I ever at any point in my life (childhood or adulthood) given the slightest remote ounce of a flying fuck about how DB stacks up to or compares against dumbfuck American "Pew Pew!" Action Cartoons nor the insipid Japanese "Friendship! Follow Your Dreams, Believe in Yourself, and You Will Succeed!" breed of flowery Shonen. I didn't come into Dragon Ball fandom as a fan of whatever Fox Kids or Cartoon Network lineup of dipshit kids shows the dub happened to be on in the late 90s, nor did I come into it as a fan of post-Toonami era Shonen/Naruto/Bleach/One Piece fandom.
BOTH sets of fans are EQUALLY annoying as all hell to me and both their tastes in shows are (despite their differences in particulars) equally vapid and vacuous from my view. Not that I mean to insinuate that Dragon Ball, in even its most purist original form, was ever some form of untouchable cerebral modern masterwork on the level of Henri Michaux or anything, nor did anyone at any point in its fandom history EVER come close to mistaking it as such. A point I tried to make in the Wuxia thread is just how much of a populist-driven, pulpy, crowd-pleasing genre wuxia so, so very often is (despite having a few of its own "legitimate" Important Literary Classics in there as well), and Dragon Ball in being Wuxia aimed at Japanese school children is FAR from any exception there.
But all the same, I came into this series as the type of kid who was throughout my life, unlike the vast overwhelming majority of people here, NOT AT ALL weened in any way from their earliest years on a steady diet of fluffy kids' television. I was weaned my whole adolescence within the dingy, scummy walls of Mom & Pop video stores and inner city grindhouse theaters in the late 80s/early 90s, absorbing decidedly NON child-oriented exploitative action, horror/slasher films, and weirdo cerebral art house sci fi, and European and Asian exports of all kinds of batshit eclectic things: among which included classic kung fu and more (then) modern wuxia as well as often decidedly more Seinen-skewing anime.
There's simply NOTHING whatsoever in the way of common ground here between someone like me and a community like this, beyond a very surface level liking of something as uniquely silly and oddball as Dragon Ball. As I laid out in gross detail in that Wuxia thread, Dragon Ball takes all of its most primal core influences from the kinds of movies, books, comics, and media that are just not at all even VAGUELY tied into the typical media diet and intake of the kinds of kids who would become fans of it in the West more than a decade after the fact: which for a long time now has left a GAPING and cringingly awkward hole in the discussions here about Dragon Ball's "genre origins and influences".
There's a TON about this topic I'd been meaning to address over the years and never really had, if only because I haven't exactly pinpointed a way that I could delve into it both openly and honestly and without also being an abrasive douchebag about it to an audience/fanbase that I've learned very quickly over the years is IMMENSELY sensitive to someone probing too deeply into the nature of their own fandoms like this: and many times before I'd simply given up on trying altogether finding it to be not at all worth the effort.
And were I to actually do this and delve more deeply into this topic, I'd want very much for you all to actually ENGAGE with the issue up front rather than reflexively put your guards up and brush it aside it as "needlessly nasty trolling" without actually really listening to the meat of it and maybe/possibly learning a thing or two about geek culture & media from well before your times.
At this risk of once more sounding like a colossal dickhead (which I don't at all relish and am striving to avoid here) this is a topic, similar (and in many ways tied in with) Wuxia that I had learned quite thoroughly during my time spent here years ago that most of you (with all possible due respect) demonstrably know exceedingly little to nothing about.
1: Original Japanese anime: Classic Shaw Bros. & Golden Harvest Wuxia Pastiche for children.
2: Original FUNimation Dub: Typical "Faux-Hardcore Xtreme 2 Tha Max!" 90s American Children's Action Cartoon.
3: Kai: Something that's been skewed to be a bit more typically akin to just another run of the mill modern Japanese shonen anime (i.e. the closest rough Japanese approximation of number 2).
Its all in the tone, scripting, music, performances, and overall execution, all of which ABSOLUTELY DOES make a GIGANTIC WORLD of difference. Hell, the old FUNimation dub would even go so far as to tinker with actual major plot points that we'd needed tons of threads, write ups, and FAQs just to help clear up for everyone for quite some time.
Take it from someone who's been following this crap since 1992: we in this community have not at all been talking about the same show whatsoever roughly 80 to 90% of the time.
The most rock solid foundational common ground we all have to share is in all honesty probably the manga: where all you really have to worry about is the occasional odd quirky Viz-ism (which are never anywhere NEAR on the level what FUNimation used to do).
So with all of that of course its a divided fandom: you've got sincere fans of Kiddie Testosterone-fueled American Action Cartoons (a fandom which I genuinely had not the slightest fucking idea was a thing that even existed until I first started posting here years and years back) butting heads with fans of shonen anime (of the more modern sort usually, and who are also an entity that I genuinely didn't know a damn thing about until I came here), which are two ENTIRELY different beasts completely with almost nothing in the way of common ground in what it is they're looking for in a series like this (ironically in spite of the two types of shows being rough cultural approximations of one another in many ways, they still have their fair share of very distinct differences that can drive a wedge in a large group of people of this sort).
Me and my decrepitly old, all but evaporated generation of folks who were in it originally at one time long, long ago mainly just as Classic Kung Fu Film dorks are pretty much out of the equation entirely these days, leaving me completely in the lurch as a stranger in a strange land whenever I've tried to post here over the years.
As to what I don't like about the fandom? Hoo boy.
I could easily do one of my patented dissertations on this topic (and I may yet possibly somewhere down the road) but for me I can try and quickly summarize my main issue being that the vast overwhelming majority of the fanbase over the last 15-ish years or so has been comprised of two warring factions of Children's Cartoon enthusiasts, whereas my interest in DB has (now and always) had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with its status as a children's series (while of course always acknowledging that it was). It was always liked by myself as well as a significant portion of other people during my era of fandom IN SPITE OF and not BECAUSE OF it being a thing for children: that part of it was always just incidental.
I don't now, nor have I ever at any point in my life (childhood or adulthood) given the slightest remote ounce of a flying fuck about how DB stacks up to or compares against dumbfuck American "Pew Pew!" Action Cartoons nor the insipid Japanese "Friendship! Follow Your Dreams, Believe in Yourself, and You Will Succeed!" breed of flowery Shonen. I didn't come into Dragon Ball fandom as a fan of whatever Fox Kids or Cartoon Network lineup of dipshit kids shows the dub happened to be on in the late 90s, nor did I come into it as a fan of post-Toonami era Shonen/Naruto/Bleach/One Piece fandom.
BOTH sets of fans are EQUALLY annoying as all hell to me and both their tastes in shows are (despite their differences in particulars) equally vapid and vacuous from my view. Not that I mean to insinuate that Dragon Ball, in even its most purist original form, was ever some form of untouchable cerebral modern masterwork on the level of Henri Michaux or anything, nor did anyone at any point in its fandom history EVER come close to mistaking it as such. A point I tried to make in the Wuxia thread is just how much of a populist-driven, pulpy, crowd-pleasing genre wuxia so, so very often is (despite having a few of its own "legitimate" Important Literary Classics in there as well), and Dragon Ball in being Wuxia aimed at Japanese school children is FAR from any exception there.
But all the same, I came into this series as the type of kid who was throughout my life, unlike the vast overwhelming majority of people here, NOT AT ALL weened in any way from their earliest years on a steady diet of fluffy kids' television. I was weaned my whole adolescence within the dingy, scummy walls of Mom & Pop video stores and inner city grindhouse theaters in the late 80s/early 90s, absorbing decidedly NON child-oriented exploitative action, horror/slasher films, and weirdo cerebral art house sci fi, and European and Asian exports of all kinds of batshit eclectic things: among which included classic kung fu and more (then) modern wuxia as well as often decidedly more Seinen-skewing anime.
There's simply NOTHING whatsoever in the way of common ground here between someone like me and a community like this, beyond a very surface level liking of something as uniquely silly and oddball as Dragon Ball. As I laid out in gross detail in that Wuxia thread, Dragon Ball takes all of its most primal core influences from the kinds of movies, books, comics, and media that are just not at all even VAGUELY tied into the typical media diet and intake of the kinds of kids who would become fans of it in the West more than a decade after the fact: which for a long time now has left a GAPING and cringingly awkward hole in the discussions here about Dragon Ball's "genre origins and influences".
There's a TON about this topic I'd been meaning to address over the years and never really had, if only because I haven't exactly pinpointed a way that I could delve into it both openly and honestly and without also being an abrasive douchebag about it to an audience/fanbase that I've learned very quickly over the years is IMMENSELY sensitive to someone probing too deeply into the nature of their own fandoms like this: and many times before I'd simply given up on trying altogether finding it to be not at all worth the effort.
And were I to actually do this and delve more deeply into this topic, I'd want very much for you all to actually ENGAGE with the issue up front rather than reflexively put your guards up and brush it aside it as "needlessly nasty trolling" without actually really listening to the meat of it and maybe/possibly learning a thing or two about geek culture & media from well before your times.
At this risk of once more sounding like a colossal dickhead (which I don't at all relish and am striving to avoid here) this is a topic, similar (and in many ways tied in with) Wuxia that I had learned quite thoroughly during my time spent here years ago that most of you (with all possible due respect) demonstrably know exceedingly little to nothing about.
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/
Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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I say fucking go for it, man. If they even bother to read your entire post, they'll be hard pressed to not understand at least some of what you're getting at, which would make it difficult for them to emotionally overreact and chalk your post up to trolling. You put way too much fucking time and effort into what you write for anyone to really go that route, I think, even if it's an incredibly touchy issue for some of the people around here.Kunzait_83 wrote:There's a TON about this topic I'd been meaning to address over the years and never really had, if only because I haven't exactly pinpointed a way that I could delve into it both openly and honestly and without also being an abrasive douchebag about it to an audience/fanbase that I've learned very quickly over the years is IMMENSELY sensitive to someone probing too deeply into the nature of their own fandoms like this: and many times before I'd simply given up on trying altogether finding it to be not at all worth the effort.
And were I to actually do this and delve more deeply into this topic, I'd want very much for you all to actually ENGAGE with the issue up front rather than reflexively put your guards up and brush it aside it as "needlessly nasty trolling" without actually really listening to the meat of it and maybe/possibly learning a thing or two about geek culture & media from well before your times.
If it makes people uncomfortable, then it's something they need to hear. And for those of us who aren't made uncomfortable by it, it will likely be an absolute fucking joy to read through.
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http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t212 ... anzenshuu/
I never really saw this happen here, the examples given were exaggerated. but its common on other sites and its not just fans of the old dub either
Still people are too close minded
I never really saw this happen here, the examples given were exaggerated. but its common on other sites and its not just fans of the old dub either
Still people are too close minded
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"Power levels" debates, Broly fanatics, dissing of the original version, the "w" word if you're fan of that version, ignoring third of the manga (the whole manga for that matter) and anime, Z only - dub only - faulconer only fans thinking they know everything.
I should probably add "canon" to this, but i just don't seem to give a fuck about it like i did before, for some reason. 519 chapters of manga are canon, everything else is arguable untill official timeline or something.
I should probably add "canon" to this, but i just don't seem to give a fuck about it like i did before, for some reason. 519 chapters of manga are canon, everything else is arguable untill official timeline or something.
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There are things I absolutely dispise and hate about the fandom, there are things I don't like and things that I just ignore and couldn't care less about.
I really, really hate these things about the fandom:
Some English dub fans:
When some English dub fans constantly have the need to bash the original Japanese version. Bash the original music and then mention how superior Faulconer's soundtrack was. They constantly talk about how great the voice acting for the English dub is and how the voice acting for the Japanese Z is horrible. It's absolutely fair that people don't like the Japanese voices of Goku, Vegeta, Bulma etc. But in terms of voice ACTING, it pisses me off when they say Masako Nozawa and co. are terrible voice actors.
Fans in denial:
Dragon Ball wika, Youtubers and other people who deny facts that happened in the original story because they don't like it and then spread their own false 'facts' to other people.
Things I don't like about the fandom:
When fans have only watched Z and not read/watched the whole version that Akira Toriyama created.
When fans try to decide what's canon and what's not canon for other people.
Everything that doesn't include fighting in DBS, is pure filler, apparently.
Things I try to ignore and couldn't care less about:
Power level debates.
I really, really hate these things about the fandom:
Some English dub fans:
When some English dub fans constantly have the need to bash the original Japanese version. Bash the original music and then mention how superior Faulconer's soundtrack was. They constantly talk about how great the voice acting for the English dub is and how the voice acting for the Japanese Z is horrible. It's absolutely fair that people don't like the Japanese voices of Goku, Vegeta, Bulma etc. But in terms of voice ACTING, it pisses me off when they say Masako Nozawa and co. are terrible voice actors.
Fans in denial:
Dragon Ball wika, Youtubers and other people who deny facts that happened in the original story because they don't like it and then spread their own false 'facts' to other people.
Things I don't like about the fandom:
When fans have only watched Z and not read/watched the whole version that Akira Toriyama created.
When fans try to decide what's canon and what's not canon for other people.
Everything that doesn't include fighting in DBS, is pure filler, apparently.
Things I try to ignore and couldn't care less about:
Power level debates.
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Oh, don't get me started.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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I agree. If you don't like the JPN version, fine whatever, but if you insult both the VA and fans then stop. And that goes for sub fans to.Jaetinh wrote: Some English dub fans:
When some English dub fans constantly have the need to bash the original Japanese version. Bash the original music and then mention how superior Faulconer's soundtrack was. They constantly talk about how great the voice acting for the English dub is and how the voice acting for the Japanese Z is horrible. It's absolutely fair that people don't like the Japanese voices of Goku, Vegeta, Bulma etc. But in terms of voice ACTING, it pisses me off when they say Masako Nozawa and co. are terrible voice actors.
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I'm sorry, but if I'm going to talk to someone in the Netherlands about Goku vs Vegeta, or somebody in Argentina about the Cell arc, or to somebody in Japan about Gohan finishing off Cell I can guarantee you that we'll be talking about the same show. It is not an overall very different product, it's still Dragonball Z - and that's why it's been able to become such a global phenomenon. The tones are different, yes. But let's be real here, it isn't Shakespeare and the characters aren't so deeply written that a few lines here and there will completely throw people off. Funimation did an amazing job staying close to the source material while breathing life into the characters for western audiences.Ajay wrote:When you change characters, music, lines and intent, you end up with a huge number of small differences that amount to an overall very different product. You outlined these issues yourself.
It's not pretentious whatsoever. That's such an embarrassingly empty description. It is what it is. Your reaction only furthers my point.
You are allowed to appreciate something while also understanding it's not an accurate representation of the source material.
You know, that's also ridiculously pretentious. A lot of those "dipshit kids shows" had much more depth and substance to them than Dragonball ever did.I don't now, nor have I ever at any point in my life (childhood or adulthood) given the slightest remote ounce of a flying fuck about how DB stacks up to or compares against dumbfuck American "Pew Pew!" Action Cartoons nor the insipid Japanese "Friendship! Follow Your Dreams, Believe in Yourself, and You Will Succeed!" breed of flowery Shonen. I didn't come into Dragon Ball fandom as a fan of whatever Fox Kids or Cartoon Network lineup of dipshit kids shows the dub happened to be on in the late 90s, nor did I come into it as a fan of post-Toonami era Shonen/Naruto/Bleach/One Piece fandom.
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As a newer fan of the series, threads like this make feel like I should keep out of the fandom and just keep watching the show 
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.fadeddreams5 wrote:At this point, that time machine is symbolic to how fans feel about Super. We hope it gets better, but ultimately find ourselves going back in time to a better series.
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Fresh meat. GET HIM! *Picks up torch*gogeta97 wrote:As a newer fan of the series, threads like this make feel like I should keep out of the fandom and just keep watching the show
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
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As a Japanese who grew up watching and reading the original version and have talked with a lot of DB fans from foreign countries, I occasionally feel like I'm talking about something entirely different than what the other person is thinking of, especially when it comes to people from the English speaking countries.saiyanvegetable wrote:I'm sorry, but if I'm going to talk to someone in the Netherlands about Goku vs Vegeta, or somebody in Argentina about the Cell arc, or to somebody in Japan about Gohan finishing off Cell I can guarantee you that we'll be talking about the same show.
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I can personally vouch that it's the same for American fans of the japanese version too. I had a particularly rude conversation with a Dragon Ball fan the other day. At one point I brought up that Goku's decision to let Vegeta go was really selfish considering that it endangered the whole earth just for a rematch. The guy told me I was wrong and that he did it so Vegeta could have a chance to become good. I gently tried to correct him and say that the line was inaccurate and that it was different in the japanese script, but as soon has he heard me say the word japanese he just started getting angry and pointing his finger at me calling me a "filthy weaboo". Weirdest conversation I've ever had about Dragon Ballkei17 wrote:As a Japanese who grew up watching and reading the original version and have talked with a lot of DB fans from foreign countries, I occasionally feel like I'm talking about something entirely different than what the other person is thinking of, especially when it comes to people from the English speaking countries.saiyanvegetable wrote:I'm sorry, but if I'm going to talk to someone in the Netherlands about Goku vs Vegeta, or somebody in Argentina about the Cell arc, or to somebody in Japan about Gohan finishing off Cell I can guarantee you that we'll be talking about the same show.
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Agree entirely, although most of that stems from dislike of the neologism 'fandom' and the conceptual understanding of a community based on a fictional narrative it entails. Few people who enjoy a media franchise are 'fans' anyway in the original sense of the word (before its watering-down with 'fandom'), and I would stay away from such people, since they are fanatical about defining their identity by a series of events that never happened and people who don't exist. It's why I never describe myself as a fan. Enjoy Dragon Ball as entertainment, or possibly on its literary merits and analytical potential, but don't be a raving fanatic. Remember the MST3K Mantra: 'It's just a show; I should really just relax.' Too few people discussing Dragon Ball seem to keep that in mind, treating each and every minor detail as though for them to be wrong about it would be the end of the world.Big Momma wrote:I despise the very idea of a "fandom" and people identifying themselves by the shows that they like. Also this thread is trouble waiting to happen.
Oh yeah, and power levels. Their importance in the manga existed for a comparatively small portion, yet people still have debates on this very forum about them.
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Canon arguments.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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If you say DB and DBZ are the same you get banished and told to die 
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That's what you should of done, I've been following this shit for 22 years now, and is not worth it.gogeta97 wrote:As a newer fan of the series, threads like this make feel like I should keep out of the fandom and just keep watching the show
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I hate the Dragonball Youtube community fandom, for reasons already listed.
(Bruce Faulconer fanatics has come up the most in this thread, I believe)
(Bruce Faulconer fanatics has come up the most in this thread, I believe)
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I don't like it when people say that Akira Toriyama should animate better. I'm not even joking people actually say that.