If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

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If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:00 am

Let's say Dragon Ball decided to have its own group of supervillains similar to the Legion of Doom from DC that would enact a plot against Goku and the Z fighters, who should be the leader of group and what other members should be in the group. My idea of a Dragon Ball Legion of Doom would be that Freeza would be the leader and Cell would be the vice leader. You can use villains from GT and DB Movies 1-13 if you want.

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Freeza
Cell
King Cold
Dr. Gero
Commander Red
Babidi
Tambourine (Since Piccolo Daimao can't be used. This would be the closest thing I can use for now)
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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by voltlunok » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:11 am

I'd kinda keep the same list but cut it after Tambourine, Everyone after him feels like padding and would honestly be better suited as minions rather then sitting members. I'd probably pick a couple movie villains like Garlic Jr or Wheelo. We'd need to have Broly cause every Legion of Doom needs a Bizarro. But really that's it.
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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:26 am

The idea of villains from different arcs teaming up doesn't really work in DB because the villain in each arc always completely outclasses the previous one. So unless you have all of the old villains pull a Golden Freeza, or do something with intellectual-based villains like they did in GT with Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu, it won't work.
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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by ToxicFlame707 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:54 am

Cell wouldn't take orders from Frieza.
Also, there is no Legion of Doom in DBZ, because once the villain is defeated, they are dead.

Only exception is Pikkon Saga, but they were actually in hell and weren't any threat to the living world.

In American comics I just hate how they come back all the time.

At least in DBZ we always get a new villain even if they may be a carbon copy of the previous.

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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by dario03 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:59 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:The idea of villains from different arcs teaming up doesn't really work in DB because the villain in each arc always completely outclasses the previous one. So unless you have all of the old villains pull a Golden Freeza, or do something with intellectual-based villains like they did in GT with Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu, it won't work.
A lot of comic book teams have crazy gaps in strengths between their members. Legion of Doom for instance has Bizzaro and Sinestro (Superman and Green Lantern level) but they also have people like Copperhead (who ranges from just being a contortionist to having low level snake powers), and there was also guys like Sportsmaster and Javelin (who usually are just really good athletes).
Basically you would just need a reason for the lower level guys to fight each other. Something like all the bad guys have to be stopped at the same time and they are spread across the Universe or Universes but the good guys have a way to get each fighter there at one time (a wish or something). Then Chiaotzu could fight Guldo (like in the anime filler) and Yajirobe could fight Tambourine (if he got a bit stronger). Or you could just do a big battle royal where each team pairs up with their roughly equal level adversary and the higher level guys don't one shot the lower level guys because reasons (to busy I guess) that's how DC did it :?
Though I would see this as more of a video game kind of thing than actually being in the normal story.

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Post by ToxicFlame707 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:11 pm

dario03 wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:The idea of villains from different arcs teaming up doesn't really work in DB because the villain in each arc always completely outclasses the previous one. So unless you have all of the old villains pull a Golden Freeza, or do something with intellectual-based villains like they did in GT with Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu, it won't work.
A lot of comic book teams have crazy gaps in strengths between their members. Legion of Doom for instance has Bizzaro and Sinestro (Superman and Green Lantern level) but they also have people like Copperhead (who ranges from just being a contortionist to having low level snake powers), and there was also guys like Sportsmaster and Javelin (who usually are just really good athletes).
Basically you would just need a reason for the lower level guys to fight each other. Something like all the bad guys have to be stopped at the same time and they are spread across the Universe or Universes but the good guys have a way to get each fighter there at one time (a wish or something). Then Chiaotzu could fight Guldo (like in the anime filler) and Yajirobe could fight Tambourine (if he got a bit stronger). Or you could just do a big battle royal where each team pairs up with their roughly equal level adversary and the higher level guys don't one shot the lower level guys because reasons (to busy I guess) that's how DC did it :?
Though I would see this as more of a video game kind of thing than actually being in the normal story.
Video game yeah. But like I said, it's really the skillset of say the Legion of Doom that makes it impossible for one JL member to beat them all at once.
You got Lex, with his technology and connections with the govt., army and stuff.
A Wonder Woman villain who have magical powers.
Zoom, with the speed.
A brute from Superman's rouge's gallery.
Sinestro with his lantern that can create anything.
Joker's unpredictability, or any of Batman's villains like Deathstroke who are tactically genius.

Depending on how powerful or useful the writer makes the hero, he/she could or could not decisively defeat them all at once if the villains were working together for some grand scheme that involved more than say brute strength, or only intelligence.

As the case in Dragon Ball Z, villains really are only about strength, and as such, one must be stronger to defeat the opponent.

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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:18 pm

The problem with all DB villains with a few exceptions is that they've all got essentially the same personality and mostly the same abilities. The reason why you can make a team comprising of Lex, Captain Cold, Sinestro,... Is because those characters have different worldviews, motivations and personalities that are interesting to watch clash against one another.

Every villain, from Daimao to Super Boo can essentially be summed up as prideful and overly arrogant dickhead who throws a fit whenever someone dares to start winning against him. The only way you could do a Legion is if you comprised it of some lesser villains like Red, Ginyu, Babidi, Gero and only one of the big guys just for the sake of having a powerhouse but it's still a shaky concept to work in DB.
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Re: If Dragon Ball had its own Legion of Doom

Post by Analytical Delusion » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:20 pm

I'm not too familiar with the Legion of Doom or American comics in general, but this could be an interesting concept. From what I gather, this is a coalition of villains who are all contributing towards their cause(s) in a meaningful way.

In order for it to work logically, you need to have guys who are contributing equally as much in different ways. Freeza and Cell don't make a ton of sense since both are combatants. Cell was significantly stronger than Freeza for some time, and now within the canon Freeza is much stronger.

Gero and Babidi both are musts. Gero in terms of intelligence/cybernetics, Babidi because of his magic (though an evil Namekian could work too). Maybe some evil divine being (Dabura has been far outstripped, and the Gods of Destruction and their attendants seem to be neutral) as well. Another scientist type or someone with access to vehicles for time travel and travel between universes would be valuable, though maybe these are things Gero should be doing.

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Post by apex_pretador » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:49 pm

When I saw Legion of Doom in the title, I was like:

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:48 pm

Leader: Freeza (mainly because they didn't wanna deal with his whining)
Strategist: Cell and Piccolo Daimao (they seem to be the smartest villains)
Brawns: Kid Boo (not very intelligent but has the raw power and talent to make up for it)
Tech Savvy: Dr. Gero (obvious reasons)
Support: Babidi (his magic)
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Post by Chuquita » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:06 pm

The first things that pop into my head reading "Legion of Doom" are:
Every Villain Is Lemons (E.V.I.L) from Spongebob
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"All (I) want is a decent pair of pants!" that one guy in that old Cartoon Network commercial with the old 70's Legion of Doom.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:13 pm

Janemba
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Broly
Hirudegarn
Funi Dub Killa (Lex Luthor of group)

Just think of the great conversations they'd have.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:28 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Janemba
Kid Buu
Broly
Hirudegarn
Funi Dub Killa (Lex Luthor of group)

Just think of the great conversations they'd have.
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Post by Draconic » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:32 pm

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Post by trick007z » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:05 am

Freeza (leader)
Dr. Gero (brains)
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Post by Super Sonic » Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:45 am

Chuquita wrote:The first things that pop into my head reading "Legion of Doom" are:
Every Villain Is Lemons (E.V.I.L) from Spongebob
and
"All (I) want is a decent pair of pants!" that one guy in that old Cartoon Network commercial with the old 70's Legion of Doom.
Solomon Grundy want pants too!

Seriously Vegeta did sound like a member with the line when he turned Super Saiyan, "My heart is pure. Pure Evil!" (I'm guessing it sounds badass in Japanese, but try reading it in English. Sound like a card-carrying supervillain).

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Post by ShadowBardock89 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:35 am

Chuquita wrote:The first things that pop into my head reading "Legion of Doom" are:
Every Villain Is Lemons (E.V.I.L) from Spongebob
and
"All (I) want is a decent pair of pants!" that one guy in that old Cartoon Network commercial with the old 70's Legion of Doom.
That would be Brainiac. Thank goodness the DCAU made him a more terrifying villain.
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Post by Xeztin » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:45 am

Since I'm unfamiliar with Legion of Doom, I'll say Suicide Squad since it'd be plausible that Beerus would have them revived and make them work for him.

Broly - Power
Raditz - SSJ 3 Hair!
King Cold - Snarkyness/bossy
King Piccolo - Every team needs a Namekian!
Cell Jr - Hyper Nut Job
Gero - Brains
Bardock (Wasn't evil but whatever) - Coolness/Leader
Babidi - Magic

If they where on a mission of teams of 2 I'd group them this way based on their personalities.

Broly and Babidi since Babidi could use his magic to calm him down or make him stronger (M on the forehead)
Gero and Cell Jr since it is from his creation and he could probably turn him into Cell himself or close to it.
Raditz and King Piccolo since it'd be Goku's brother and might come off as annoying.
Bardock and King Cold since he was the father of Freeza who destroyed his race.

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Post by MarCas92 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:13 pm

It's funny when you think about it. In the anime filler you did have a legion of doom thing going on with Cell, King Cold, Freeza and the Ginyu Squadron.
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Post by DragonBallLove » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:05 am

Even though we have been handled likely teams before (Lychee's ghost warriors, or the Time Breakers' possesed villians), most of them have been without the will and consentment of their members. If you could assemble a multiversal / multitimeline team of DB villians, the first thing you must consider is for them to be at least somewhat capable of teamwork. Also, they need to contribute special skills.
Therefore, the likes of Buu or Broly (without the jewel restrains Paragus used on him) are discarted, and also we wouldn't need so many heavy hitters, as per above.
I will not use Beerus or any U6 char because we still don't know if any of them are real villians.

Actual rooster:

Freezer: heavy hitter (golden)
Lychee with Hatchiyack: cloner
Ozotto: shapechanger
Baby: body snatcher
Demigra: high-end wizard
Akkuman: specialized assasin
General Red: resources
Dr. Gero: tech genius

[WORKING ON IT]
*Paragus with controlled Broly: high-end scientific (?) tamer
*Babidi with controlled Buu: high-end magical tamer
*Miira/Cell: regenerators (I'd go with Miira)

Any thought?

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