Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

[Ss5Troten]

thanks i was asking because on the episodes the black is not really black so i have try to have a white white and a black black but it feel a bit too dark so i ask for professionnal opinion

Once again, not a professional, but I've seen enough of this general type of thing to understand the bottom is getting close to being too dark. Though, not close enough to be bad, just enough to say the top is better. Could you easily create a median and post? Somewhere in the middle may be even better!

[genjosanzo8]

no i use photoshop to have an .acv and the first is if i corrected only white, if i correct white and black i obtain the second
so when i will encode it will be the first or the second i haven't find the middle (the ashura technic)

[Ss5Troten]

no i use photoshop to have an .acv and the first is if i corrected only white, if i correct white and black i obtain the second
so when i will encode it will be the first or the second i haven't find the middle (the ashura technic)

I'm pretty certain that the top is more than acceptable, it looks very comfortable, I would just stay about there unless a real pro says otherwise.

[genjosanzo8]

here another screen with the one you don't like to see...

[Ss5Troten]

here another screen with the one you don't like to see...

That one is actually nice, still a slight bit saturated, may we see more with these settings that include the sky and maybe Gokuu's gi? Those are pretty good indicators for color

[genjosanzo8]

here is two shots with the sky
and one with goku outfits the last is for kai 2.0

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[Ss5Troten]

here is two shots with the sky
and one with goku outfits the last is for kai 2.0

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I don't know how I feel about the bottom one, it really has me confused because it just feels off but I feel like if you changed it something else would feel off. The top looks great, though I believe it's just a little too dark (or maybe has just a bit too much red?), is it the first one I said was too dark earlier? The middle looks awesome. A bit light but I think that's how it's actually supposed to look. I hate to harp on it, but I'm no professional, so I may be totally off. This is just what seems to represent the "right" colors to my own eyes.

[Ajay]

Here's what I've been doing today. Working on the last episode of Kai, right now.

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It's all going reasonably well. The issue is I still can't inverse what they did to Piccolo without doing it scene by scene. As it stands, Piccolo looks like this with the other colour correction, and that's deliberately ignoring the green shift on Goku's trousers. If I fix that, then Piccolo becomes blue, too. I feel like they either edited Piccolo on a scene to scene basis, or they isolated his colour range and changed it that way. The thing is, I've isolated and changed them the same way, but it's super destructive, so I doubt that's what they did.

I'm not opposed to fixing Piccolo per scene since he's not exactly in the Boo arc all that much, but it definitely adds a lot more work in the long run.

[genjosanzo8]

@ss5troten it is too dark yes so it is over saturated it's why i hesitate between 2 parameters.....
@ajay you are very far in level than me (but i don't search to be the same as the cellscan
i hope your correction will work with piccollo in few times

[Ss5Troten]

@ajay now maybe not soooo much, perhaps you have too little green/ juuuust too much blue? Maybe Piccolo is being hit a bit by both? I'm sorry to interject without previous knowledge

@genjo that's what I figured, it still looks awesome great work, keep it up!

[Ajay]

@ajay now maybe not soooo much, perhaps you have too little green/ juuuust too much blue? Maybe Piccolo is being hit a bit by both? I'm sorry to interject without previous knowledge

Yeah, you're right. I went too blue. Here's a video with what I'm pretty happy with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jzowiK ... e=youtu.be

[Ss5Troten]

@ajay now maybe not soooo much, perhaps you have too little green/ juuuust too much blue? Maybe Piccolo is being hit a bit by both? I'm sorry to interject without previous knowledge

Yeah, you're right. I went too blue. Here's a video with what I'm pretty happy with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jzowiK ... e=youtu.be

I'm happy that my instinct was correct here, I love the video, checking your others and subscribed! Yeah I'd like to see what Piccolo is looking like now with a little less blue!

[Ajay]

I'm happy that my instinct was correct here, I love the video, checking your others and subscribed! Yeah I'd like to see what Piccolo is looking like now with a little less blue!

Still too dark, but definitely better:

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I added a bit more red to that video since Goku looked a little bit ghostly. I think it helps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcpXRC ... e=youtu.be

[Ss5Troten]

@ajay oh man that looks just great! I don't know that you'll get much better than that without having to break it down. Keep it up, I'll be following your work!

[MrWalnut4]

@ajay now maybe not soooo much, perhaps you have too little green/ juuuust too much blue? Maybe Piccolo is being hit a bit by both? I'm sorry to interject without previous knowledge

Yeah, you're right. I went too blue. Here's a video with what I'm pretty happy with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jzowiK ... e=youtu.be

Just a question Ajay, but do you use the Toei cel scans as a reference to correct or do you use other cels? The one's Toei provided seem like they have been altered in some way compared to the cels that float around nowadays. Just look at the difference in the color of their clothes and skin tones in the Toei scan compared to one I found online:

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[genjosanzo8]

here a try on dragon ball dragon box

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even if your goal is to match the cellscan are they the real color? compared color of your quasi perfect color correction and the kai ending redrawn goku

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i think that the color in kai was intentionally change is that why you cannot correct like you want (palet change)
the cellscan is a dbz cellscan (i don't know if you have correct dbz dragon box too and if you had been the piccolo color problem) so it 's maybe for that that you cannot have exactly the same color....

you made a wonderful job far beyond what i can do and i admire it

edit: bye bye green sky

[Ss5Troten]

@genjo I love what you've done with Buruma and Kuririn, those frames look excellent. I agree with EoZ Goku, I personally thought the color correcting was a bit blue and a little less green. I have I disagree slightly with the Kai ending though, they may just be referring the "greened" colors that time has offered them. I think it would be greener than the corrections but bluer than the EoZ Kai frame.

[Ajay]

Just a question Ajay, but do you use the Toei cel scans as a reference to correct or do you use other cels? The one's Toei provided seem like they have been altered in some way compared to the cels that float around nowadays. Just look at the difference in the color of their clothes and skin tones in the Toei scan compared to one I found online]

I've been going by Toei's, but you do make a good point. I'll have a play around later and see how things look with the gi matched to that teal colour. I get the feeling that'll 100% fix Piccolo, since it was that blue shift throwing things off, I think

edit: bye bye green sky

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The skies in those scenes are actually supposed be a little on the green side:



Tone down your blue and you'll be fine.

[genjosanzo8]

thanks i will do it

[Ss5Troten]

The two of you are making great leeway! I can't wait to see more. I'm interested in what hue changes are made as I have my JP Dragon Boxes on my SSD and use VLC, so I like to tinker around. I have yet to on this level though. You guys are really improving upon an already great format!