The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[supercat]

No real reason to assume Piccolo suddenly got a massive boost in power out of nowhere, him holding his own against Frost isn't very impressive cause the uni 6 fighters are all weak sauce.
Piccolo (Champa) versus the following fighters:
Tagoma -Wins
Kid Buu -Loses
Super Buu -Loses
Buutenks -Loses
Buuhan -Loses
SSJ Vegetto -Loses
First Form Frieza (RoF) -Wins
Second Form Frieza (RoF) -Loses
Third Form Frieza (RoF) -Loses
Final Form Frieza (RoF) -Loses

Does it make sense for powerhouses like Goku and Vegeta to be participating in a tournament with nothing but subpar weaklings? I've mentioned this before on another post but there's no real reason to formulate excessively convoluted hypothetical scenarios.

I know this may be a bit too much for Buu fans to fathom but the Buu arc is old news at this point; the top contenders of the arc are now likely fodders. This is basically akin to how hastily the incredible power displayed by Frieza and SSJ Goku (Namek) lost its prominence during the Android arc.

Piccolo / Frost > Base Goku / Vegeta > Final Form Frieza / Base Goku / Vegeta (RoF) > SSJ Vegetto > First Form Frieza > / = Buuhan

The way I see it, anyone below Final Form Frieza (including SSJ Vegetto) are all one-shot material for Piccolo. Heck, even Final Form Frieza himself would hardly be deemed as a challenge in my opinion.

I'm interested in seeing how you all feel about this, so discuss away.

[ZombieVito]

Two things to point out:

a) While Piccolo is not being one shotted or damaged in any significant way by Frost's attacks, we still haven't seen him hit Frost.
b) Frost is not in top shape. He had trouble standing straight before injecting Goku with that poison.

Having said those things, Piccolo should be stronger than first form Frost at least. Maybe even his third form since a weakened golden Freeza was still far superior than the base Saiyans so Frost should still be way superior than base Goku.

At the very least we have Goku commenting that Piccolo did increase his power by a good margin. I'll take that win.

P.S. I can't fucking wait for next week.

[supercat]

Two things to point out:

a) While Piccolo is not being one shotted or damaged in any significant way by Frost's attacks, we still haven't seen him hit Frost.
b) Frost is not in top shape. He had trouble standing straight before injecting Goku with that poison.

Having said those things, Piccolo should be stronger than first form Frost at least. Maybe even his third form since a weakened golden Freeza was still far superior than the base Saiyans so Frost should still be way superior than base Goku.

At the very least we have Goku commenting that Piccolo did increase his power by a good margin. I'll take that win.

P.S. I can't fucking wait for next week.

A worn out Frost is likely only a notch or two below his fresh counterpart. Given the track record of their kind's seemingly unrivaled durability, Final Form Frost should still be leagues above his third form; Piccolo standing a tier above Base Goku makes a lot of sense.

[Pocket-God]

Does it make sense for powerhouses like Goku and Vegeta to be participating in a tournament with nothing but subpar weaklings? I've mentioned this before on another post but there's no real reason to formulate excessively convoluted hypothetical scenarios.

I know this may be a bit too much for Buu fans to fathom but the Buu arc is old news at this point; the top contenders of the arc are now likely fodders. This is basically akin to how hastily the incredible power displayed by Frieza and SSJ Goku (Namek) lost its prominence during the Android arc.

Piccolo / Frost > Base Goku / Vegeta > Final Form Frieza / Base Goku / Vegeta (RoF) > SSJ Vegetto > First Form Frieza > / = Buuhan

The way I see it, anyone below Final Form Frieza (including SSJ Vegetto) are all one-shot material for Piccolo. Heck, even Final Form Frieza himself would hardly be deemed as a challenge in my opinion.

I'm interested in seeing how you all feel about this, so discuss away.

Ummm...I don't know if you remember or not but Champa thought Goku was a weak ass useless guy who couldn't even catch an egg, so he really didn't think he'd need that great a team to win.

So you're telling me Piccolo was Cell Jr level for over 7 years and then suddenly he after 8 months of non special training he miraculously became stronger than everyone else? yeah he's not exactly Frieza now is he >.>

as for the rest of your post, it's all pretty much just wild speculation on your part.

[dbgtFO]

Piccolo (Champa) versus the following fighters:

Tagoma
Kid Buu
Super Buu
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto
First Form Frieza (RoF)
Second Form Frieza (RoF)
Third Form Frieza (RoF)
Final Form Frieza (RoF)

I'm inclined to believe that he'd clear this entire gauntlet without batting an eye. He may hit some resistance with Final Form Frieza, but even that would be addressed with moderate difficulty at best in my opinion.

Beats Tagoma easily, gets Godstompedd by the rest.

[supercat]

Ummm...I don't know if you remember or not but Champa thought Goku was a weak ass useless guy who couldn't even catch an egg, so he really didn't think he'd need that great a team to win.

So you're telling me Piccolo was Cell Jr level for over 7 years and then suddenly he after 8 months of non special training he miraculously became stronger than everyone else? yeah he's not exactly Frieza now is he >.>

as for the rest of your post, it's all pretty much just wild speculation on your part.

Wow, so are you seriously taking a gag scene and using it to back up the theory that Champa nonchalantly recruited a pile of trash to represent him?

And Tagoma isn't Frieza either right?

Clearly, there is no point in furthering this discussion.

Oh and one more thing...

Piccolo / Frost >> SSJ Vegetto >> Buuhan > Buutenks >> Super Buu >> Kid Buu.

Piccolo (Champa) versus the following fighters:

Tagoma
Kid Buu
Super Buu
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto
First Form Frieza (RoF)
Second Form Frieza (RoF)
Third Form Frieza (RoF)
Final Form Frieza (RoF)

I'm inclined to believe that he'd clear this entire gauntlet without batting an eye. He may hit some resistance with Final Form Frieza, but even that would be addressed with moderate difficulty at best in my opinion.

Beats Tagoma easily, gets Godstompedd by the rest.

This is so laughable I couldn't tell whether or not you were serious. A guy who seemingly puts up a decent fight against the very fighter who was able to withstand several hits from SSJ Goku is weaker than the Buus? Wow, why don't we just agree to disagree right from the get-go since I could already see this discussion going around in circles and ultimately going nowhere.

In any case, I still have the following:

Piccolo / Frost >> SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc) at the very least.

[Khin]

I think Assault Form Frost is what all we need here.He was as strong if not slightly stronger than Base Goku.This tourny works like Baba's and healing or eating senzu is not allowed.It would be illogical for Goku to hold back in base that time because it would just make more fatigued.He beats Frost with only regular SSj so he didn't transform into Blooper because he don't need it.

In ROF,Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo but is nothing compared to Ginyu-Tagoma let alone 1st Form Freeza and Freeza needs his Final Form to match Base Goku.So there's no way in hell Frost is only Perfect Cell tier.Not to mention,Base Goku punched out the sun-like energy ball in episode 14.Which implies his base form is not much weaker than his SSj/God form.

[dbgtFO]

Beats Tagoma easily, gets Godstompedd by the rest.

This is so laughable I couldn't tell whether or not you were serious. A guy who seemingly puts up a decent fight against the very fighter who was able to withstand several hits from SSJ Goku is weaker than the Buus? Wow, how about we just agree to disagree right from the get-go since I could already see this discussion going around in circles and ultimately going nowhere.

In any case, I still have the following:

Piccolo / Frost >> SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc) at the very least.

No, you need to stop being like this, when people don't agree with you, not just here, but also in the Episode 33 thread.
For my money, I need a bit more evidence, than the preview to make a proper guess at what Piccolo's power is. Frost could easily have been so exhausted it made Piccolo stand a chance, but we don't know. That's why I'm not about to jump to conclusions regarding Piccolo's power like you seem so keen to.

[supercat]

Beats Tagoma easily, gets Godstompedd by the rest.

This is so laughable I couldn't tell whether or not you were serious. A guy who seemingly puts up a decent fight against the very fighter who was able to withstand several hits from SSJ Goku is weaker than the Buus? Wow, how about we just agree to disagree right from the get-go since I could already see this discussion going around in circles and ultimately going nowhere.

In any case, I still have the following:

Piccolo / Frost >> SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc) at the very least.

No, you need to stop being like this, when people don't agree with you, not just here, but also in the Episode 33 thread.
For my money, I need a bit more evidence, than the preview to make a proper guess at what Piccolo's power is. Frost could easily have been so exhausted it made Piccolo stand a chance, but we don't know. That's why I'm not about to jump to conclusions regarding Piccolo's power like you seem so keen to.

Okay, let me elaborate and do my best to illustrate my point as clearly as possible with what little evidence we currently have.

Frost was apparently able to tank hits from SSJ Goku, who by power scaling should be a far stronger than when he fought Beerus in base form.

This in turn would presumably point to Frost being at least a few notches below SSG Goku-tier, but likely much closer to said tier.

While we don't have any clear indication as to where Piccolo stands, we could at least assume that he too is somewhere near Frost; sure fatigue along with other variables may play a role here, but if we look back on the series as a whole, such factors have only made negligible differences.

Well you could at least acknowledge that we were both jumping to conclusions right? I mean, what exactly was it that led you to believe that Frost was Perfect Cell-tier?

[apex_pretador]

New Matches
- Base Goku (ROF Arc) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku
- SSj Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs. Dabra
- Vegeta (vs.Recoome) and Monster Zarbon vs. Recoome
- Ginyu,Jheese,Burta,Recoome and Gurd vs. Kaioken Goku (Against Ginyu)
- Piccolo (Trunks's Arrival) vs. Third Form Freeza (Namek)
- Hypothetical SSj3 Gogeta (Boo Arc) vs. Ultimate Gohan
- Hypothetical SSj3 Vegetto (Boo Arc) vs. Hypothetical Ultimate Gokhan (Boo Arc)
- Android 19 (Post Absorption) vs. Dr.Gero (Post Absorption)
- Android 18 vs. Piccolo (Merged with Kami)
- Super Android 13,Android 16,17,18,19 and Dr.Gero vs. Semi Perfect Cell

- SSG goku finger flicks
- Dabura turns him to stone & breaks him
- Recoome. He was a tank, & could tank anything they can dish out. If you add krillin, then team stomps via kienzan
- Non kaioken goku can take all but ginyu easily. KK goku one-shots them before anyone can react& then proceeds to overwhelm ginyu.
- Piccolo grabs him & rips him apart in half, then blasts his both parts.
- Not fair. SS gogeta finger flicks buuhan
- Not fair. SS Vegetto finger flicks gokhan
- Vegeta one-shot 19 post absorptions, & Gero was stated to beat Vegeta even before absorptions. Gero one-shots.
- Piccolo takes 18 out with hellzone grenade, & if going for kill, he uses the cannon he used against cell
- Cell absorbs 17 & 18 to become ultra perfect cell & then makes everyone his servant, but 16 grabs him & blows him up. However, cell survives & gets a zenkai to become "BETTER THAN PERFECT" cell.

Piccolo (Champa) versus the following fighters:

Tagoma
Kid Buu
Super Buu
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto
First Form Frieza (RoF)
Second Form Frieza (RoF)
Third Form Frieza (RoF)
Final Form Frieza (RoF)

The only problem here is kid buu, due to his regen, planet busting love & teleportation. All others, he one-shots, except final form freeza, who he two shots.

[VegettoEX]

This is so laughable I couldn't tell whether or not you were serious.

This is not an appropriate way to respond to someone. Please do not do it again. Account strikes can and will be issued.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Two things to point out:

a) While Piccolo is not being one shotted or damaged in any significant way by Frost's attacks, we still haven't seen him hit Frost.
b) Frost is not in top shape. He had trouble standing straight before injecting Goku with that poison.

Having said those things, Piccolo should be stronger than first form Frost at least. Maybe even his third form since a weakened golden Freeza was still far superior than the base Saiyans so Frost should still be way superior than base Goku.

At the very least we have Goku commenting that Piccolo did increase his power by a good margin. I'll take that win.

P.S. I can't fucking wait for next week.

I want Piccolo to be strong again honestly, but I'd want him to beat up someone other then frost or Cabe. I like those two. As for Frost Vs Piccolo, we have to wait til next week to find out how it goes down. Yes he doesn't 1 shot piccolo, but he's a nice guy. He held back vs Goku and was like "Oh no! Maybe I overdid it!" So maybe he's trying not to break any bones with piccolo? We don't know. Heck it could even be that he tries at 100%! We don't know. Maybe he gets desperate to stay in and get Champa's help? It can go either way. What I wounder is who's so strong that Frost actually NEEDS help in ending a war with?

I think we'll see the person(s) after the tournament when we go to Universe 6.

[Hellspawn28]

Botamo vs. (in no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Aka
Ginyu Tagoma
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
Final Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden Freeza
Beerus

How far does he go?

[DBZAOTA482]

Dragon Ball vs. Naruto

A battle royal between Late Dragon Ball/Early DBZ and Naruto:


Goku (BoZ w/ Kaioken) vs. Naruto Uzumaki

Piccolo (Saiyan Saga) vs. Sasuke Uchiha

Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) vs. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) vs. Choji Akimichi

Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Hinata Hyuga

Tien (BoZ) vs. Rock Lee

Nappa vs. Madara Uchiha

Gine vs. Sakura Haruno

[Hellspawn28]

I think Nappa alone could solo the whole Nartuoverse. From what I was told, end of series Naruto fighters are around 23rd Tenkachi Budokai-Radditz level.

[Pocket-God]

Botamo vs. (in no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Aka
Ginyu Tagoma
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
Final Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden Freeza
Beerus

How far does he go?

He doesn't beat anyone, but the only people who beat him are Buuhan(With Candy Beam or by Absorbing him) and Janemba (Through reality warping and maybe slicing him?) Although if he can't survive in space then add Beerus, Frieza, Kid Buu and Broly to the list of people that beat him via busting the planet.

[apex_pretador]

Botamo vs. (in no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Aka
Ginyu Tagoma
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
Final Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden Freeza
Beerus

How far does he go?

Stops at buuhan
Not sure if vegetto can beat him though.

[apex_pretador]

Botamo vs. (in no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Aka
Ginyu Tagoma
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
Final Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden Freeza
Beerus

How far does he go?

He doesn't beat anyone, but the only people who beat him are Buuhan(With Candy Beam or by Absorbing him) and Janemba (Through reality warping and maybe slicing him?) Although if he can't survive in space then add Beerus, Frieza, Kid Buu and Broly to the list of people that beat him via busting the planet.

And cell

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball vs. Naruto

A battle royal between Late Dragon Ball/Early DBZ and Naruto:


Goku (BoZ w/ Kaioken) vs. Naruto Uzumaki

Piccolo (Saiyan Saga) vs. Sasuke Uchiha

Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) vs. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) vs. Choji Akimichi

Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Hinata Hyuga

Tien (BoZ) vs. Rock Lee

Nappa vs. Madara Uchiha

Gine vs. Sakura Haruno

All of the Naruto characters lose badly.

[Sandubadear]

Botamo vs. (in no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Aka
Ginyu Tagoma
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
Final Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden Freeza
Beerus

How far does he go?

He may defeat Aka and Ginyu-Tagoma by getting them tired, but he won't be able to defeat the others.