Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:58 pm

Manga is not like the DB manga from 1984 - 1995. So I find it hard to compare it to since the Super manga is just a sneak preview of the anime and the anime is not a adaptation like DB & DBZ was.
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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by LightBing » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:14 pm

Something's are not fair to compare, the art for example. The manga is a one person job or little more(maybe Toyotaro has assistants), a chapter a month. Likely with limited creative work, assuming Mr.Toriyama laid out must of the information.
While the anime is weekly, employees more people and much more complex.
Only comparisons of the plot present in both works is fair judgement.

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An interesting difference, in the manga Goku took noticed of Hit with a suspicious/serious look. While the anime, so far, choose to have Hit react to Goku's SSJ transformation, nothing else.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Zephyr » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:13 am

LightBing wrote:Something's are not fair to compare, the art for example. The manga is a one person job or little more(maybe Toyotaro has assistants), a chapter a month. Likely with limited creative work, assuming Mr.Toriyama laid out must of the information.
While the anime is weekly, employees more people and much more complex.
Only comparisons of the plot present in both works is fair judgement.
It's an entirely fair comparison. One is nicer to look at than the other. Now, you can bring up reasons that explain why this to be the case, and that's totally fair. However, that doesn't make one of them any less pleasant to look at.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by LightBing » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:53 am

Zephyr wrote:
LightBing wrote:Something's are not fair to compare, the art for example. The manga is a one person job or little more(maybe Toyotaro has assistants), a chapter a month. Likely with limited creative work, assuming Mr.Toriyama laid out must of the information.
While the anime is weekly, employees more people and much more complex.
Only comparisons of the plot present in both works is fair judgement.
It's an entirely fair comparison. One is nicer to look at than the other. Now, you can bring up reasons that explain why this to be the case, and that's totally fair. However, that doesn't make one of them any less pleasant to look at.
Poor choice of word on my part, I meant objectively instead of fair. Yes, it's fair to say one's prettier or uglier or whatever.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by omaro34 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:32 am

I prefer the Anime. Yes I know the Anime has sub par animation, but I just never had much interest in the Manga. I prefer watching material rather than reading it. It just gives me more of a thrill, just a better experience for me. The music, the voices, the movements, and the filler are just aspects that I enjoy, and it just gives it more life in my opinion.

The Anime is how I was introduced to this series, and I guess I have always just stayed in that mentality.
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omaro34 wrote:I prefer the Anime. Yes I know the Anime has sub par animation, but I just never had much interest in the Manga. I prefer watching material rather than reading it. It just gives me more of a thrill, just a better experience for me. The music, the voices, the movements, and the filler are just aspects that I enjoy, and it just gives it more life in my opinion.

The Anime is how I was introduced to this series, and I guess I have always just stayed in that mentality.
Agreed 100%. Especially since this is action show, so what, am i supposed to imagine characters moving and fighting and making sounds, lol. I still own and respect the original manga, and i've read it ofc.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Khin » Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:58 am

One thing that makes the manga good is how all that was released each chapter are all new materials that we never saw before.Some episodes of the anime is not that exciting because we basically already know what's going to happen (ie.episode 31).Now that the anime finally catch up,i think things will be switched.IMO,i prefer the anime overall.One thing that makes the manga good is how Toyotarō often gives fanservice.
omaro34 wrote:I prefer the Anime. Yes I know the Anime has sub par animation, but I just never had much interest in the Manga. I prefer watching material rather than reading it. It just gives me more of a thrill, just a better experience for me. The music, the voices, the movements, and the filler are just aspects that I enjoy, and it just gives it more life in my opinion.

The Anime is how I was introduced to this series, and I guess I have always just stayed in that mentality.
I pretty much agree with this.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by FTW395 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:00 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:Things the manga did better:
- Beerus vs Champa.
Yeah lol, what happened to that amazing fight in space between Champa and Beerus, why wasn't that shown in the anime? I presume it was because of it being too hard to animate.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by ParkerAL » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:01 pm

Having just watched Goku vs Botamo in the Episode 33, I can say with confidence that it came across as embarrassingly bad compared to the one Toyotaro drew. I mean, it obviously wasn't a particularly memorable fight in either version, but at least the manga gave Goku's punches actual energy and highlighted the elasticity of Botamo's body. The way his blows just casually bounced off the big bear's belly in the anime looked downright cheap.

And don't even get me started on the fight's pacing, I could forgive the manga for not giving Botamo much time to shine, since Toyotaro is working with a limited number of pages. But there's no excuse for rushing his fight with Goku in the anime. Talk about wasting a combatant.

Also, the tournament arena's bare design in the anime is a huge letdown compared to the neat Egyptian motif it has going in the manga. Additionally, it's lame that there aren't any other audience members in the anime besides the main cast. Little details like that give the manga much more personality than the anime often displays.
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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by HybridSaiyan » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:32 pm

Gosh, there is no comparison! Toyotarou's version is in leagues above Toei. Toyotarou seriously captures Toriyama's image in his writing and drawing. His dialogue and fighting choreography is more fluid and intense. He definitely knows his Dragon Ball lol. Man, if only his manga was presented to us back in the 1990's, this shit would have been so good with Buu saga art and animation.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Boo Machine » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:11 pm

The Anime for me. The manga does a lot of cool fights in a way I wish the anime did, but the pacing just bugs me. It's blowing through 3 arcs and on the 4th in 16 chapters. That's nuts. I know why it has to be that way, don't get me wrong, it's just not something I'm fond of. I don't particularly look forward to any chapters besides just being curious what difference there is between the 2 mediums. Though I can see why toyotaro scores so many points with others. Being a fan of the series himself, he is probably more attuned of what would tickles the fans fancy. But I'm just not convinced the manga is that much better than the anime.

To me they both have their ups and downs. Sometimes I'm curious how much people would love the manga if there was no anime. Just the manga as is. Would it be AS praised if there was no anime to compare it to?

The anime does it for me because I feel there is just more there. Those slice of life episodes are always a treat. They're usually really funny or heart warming. I feel like Super just does character interaction so well. Not every fight is great in the anime but when it's good it's damn good. I've not been a fan of the music but it's been improving a lot lately along with the animation. Sometimes I'll just pop on "Deperate Assault" or Blacks theme just to listen to it real quick. I might be one of the few who enjoy the pilaf gang (For the most part) and enjoys Goku's goofiness. Also the voice performances are always fun to listen to. It's nice to know that even after so many years, those actors are still so good. The animation or art doesn't even bother me unless it's god awful. Like episode 24 or Goku vs Botamo awful.
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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Bansho64 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:14 pm

Manga without a second doubt.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Draconic » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:14 am

Outside of a couple of instances, there is nothing the manga is doing better than the anime.

The art is inconsistent, with a couple obvious stinkers in almost every chapter (especially after the increase in pages). Then there are the dozens of reused panels from both the original manga, but also Toyotaro's own previous work. That frankly just takes me out of it, even though the anime can look pretty rough at times too.

The fights, except the Goku vs Botamo and Beerus vs Champa, are either dowright bad, or worse than the anime (with the former two not being that good either, but are better than the anime at least). Toyotaro seems to spread out actual fight coreography inbetween those stupid flurries of punches that the anime thankfully has given up on, for the most part, since they are a horrible way to draw a battle. Even then, when the actual coreography kicks in, it falls pretty flat on it's face, since the hits have no impact and the characters seem pretty mindless, without a real semblence of martial arts. At least with the anime I can watch the fight actually move and since the U6 arc it's gotten a lot better coreography-wise (even though Beerus vs Goku was still better in the anime even before that).

The pacing is pretty bad. You have one-shot fights being dragged out, like Goku vs Final Form Frost and Vegeta vs Frost, that the anime handles much better. Then there is the Trunks flashback which everybody seems to praise, even though it was pretty much the same thing with the Buu arc we saw in the main timeline, so it felt just like a bland retread (reusing panels didn't help it).

The character usage is poor as hell in the manga, which eventually was the point where I drew the line. Piccolo gets less panels in the fight with Frost than Goku's one does and is almost as short as Vegeta's (which is supposed to be a stomp). Magetta and Cabba get such bland fights against Vegeta that it makes them look downright incompetent. At least the anime let them showcase some of their abillities. Even Hit gets the short end of the stick, turning out weaker than Super Saiyan God, a level obsolete for two arcs. He wins against Vegeta due to Vegeta being retarded, not because of his own skills and Goku eventually giving up feels almost out of petty. If it weren't for the anime version doing him justice, he would probably be the lamest final antagonist we've ever seen.
That's without mentioning that the anime gives filler episodes to characters such as Pan, the Pilaf Gang, Satan, Monaka, Trunks, Goten etc. which steals some thunder from the Goku and Vegeta sheningans.
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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by Black_Liger » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:00 am

I love the manga's art, and Goku's characterization, Uni 6 arc was kinda better on the manga, but as of now, there some moments in the anime that were made amazing by the music and atmosphere, such as Black's Introduction, Mai sending Trunks and co back to the present, Beerus killing Zamasu, the list goes on. But I do love how the manga gave us the buu arc of Trunks' timeline so well, so I'd say they (anime and manga) both got pretty great stuff each.
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Post by Naelysucker » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:30 am

I prefer the manga and by a large margin. For the time being, it is more coherent. The drawings and the fights choreography are better too.

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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by LightBing » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:36 pm

Didn't even remember this thread existed. Unfortunately people are only looking at the title, the purpose of this thread isn't to ask which one is better, overall. It's to discuss the differences between both mediums and say why you prefer one or the other; for example Goku vs Hit which is substantially different from the manga to the anime.
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That's an interesting question. I think it wouldn't receive half the praise it gets. Some of the unique ideas from the manga were received with the same disgust as some of the unique the ideas of the anime. The edge the manga has is it's effort for consistency and it's schedule, meaning less material to make mistakes and being temporarily wiped out(around three weeks a month) from the fandom's mind, who like to dwell in their complaints and eviscerate everything they dislike.

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Post by Kanassa » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:46 pm

I prefer the anime, it has much more character and personality to it, the characters are more developed and the emotional scenes are actually emotional. Aside from being wel drawn and some good fight scenes, I eel the Anime does miles better.
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Post by ConfusedPhantom » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:03 pm

I kinda feel if we had a fusion of both, we'd have a better product in general. There are certain ideas that happen in both that are great, like Toyotaro making Goku image training with Freeza, Cell and Buu and Toei's KaioKen scene. And, having both of them in the anime would've been great.

But, as it stands, the manga is just better with the storytelling, the art, and the action. Toyotaro just has much more fun with it. There's much more detail and care he puts into it and the characters feel more like themselves. The anime has a lot of great moments as of late, but it still feels like they're chugging along and due to multiple writers there's a lot of inconsistencies in how they want to write characters like Goku. And, due to the rut Toei is stuck in, this is the best they can do.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:18 pm

Definitely the manga is better. Maybe it could use more stuff but the anime has far too much bullshit for me to give the win despite having the potential to be better.
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Re: Super's Anime vs Super's Manga

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:43 pm

Since in Universe Survival arc we're having Goku/Vegeta vs Jiren, I'm glad the anime didn't went the manga route in FT Trunks arc where FT Trunks took a back seat on his own arc and it was mainly Goku/Vegeta vs Merged Zamasu, just like it was Goku/Vegeta vs Kid Buu in Buu arc. Change is welcome and Toyotaro doesn't give me that.
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