The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DanielSSJ]

This is getting pretty silly. Tagoma, after powering up, got his ass kicked by an SS Gohan who was by all implications weaker than the one from the beginning of the Buu arc. He gets wiped out immediately by the very first opponent he faces.

Not that its ever really spelled out, but most believe that SS Gohan is accessing a weakened version of his Ultimate power.

[apex_pretador]

GT Piccolo and Frieza - gauntlet (both are from the Super 17 arc)

Round 1 - individually / Round 2 - working together

Majin Vegeta
Mr. Buu
Grey Buu
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku
Kid Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Janemba (Final Form)
Super Buu
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto
.

Piccolo stops at SS3 goku , freeza stops at fat buu (pre-split)

Together, they have a shot at SS3 goku, but will ultimately lose.

Interesting speculation.

I was always under the impression that GT Frieza was at least a few notches above Rild, who was stated to be stronger than some unspecified form of Buu (likely Kid Buu). If Base Rild was in fact above Kid Buu, Final Form Rild could very well be inching towards Buuhan or at the very least Buutenks in my opinion. I guess the incarnation of Buu Rild was compared to is a major variable here.

As for Piccolo, it's pretty clear that he was at least several tiers above the strongest contenders of hell, as he expressed no concern whatsoever about guarding the place.

Contrary to what many fans may think, I'm inclined to believe that Frieza stood a few tiers higher than Cell, as the latter resorted to cheap tactics like the Solar Flare and absorption while the former actually rushed in and gave their opposition some degree of trouble (once with an array of ki blasts and the second time during hand to hand combat).

I'm really interested in what you have to say, but I typically adhere to the following:

Piccolo > Frieza > Cell > Buuhan > Final Form Rild > Super Buu = Second Form Rild > Base Rild > Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)

Piccolo is also implied to be weaker than base gohan, who , even possesed with baby, was a lot weaker than base vegeta.
Also, I have goku SS3 around buuhan level which is why goku said that SBV was the biggest ki he felt by far.

[apex_pretador]

Frost in his Final Form vs. (In no real order):

Metal Coola (Post repairs)
Dabra
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Fat Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
Golden Freeza
Whis

Who does he beat and who beats him?

Stops at yellow freeza

Tagoma (Post training in ROF arc) runs a gauntlet. How far does he go before he hits a brick wall:

Fat Boo (Pre-split)
Kid Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT)
Super Boo
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo (w/Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)
Ultimate Gohan
Bootenks
Base Vegetto
Boohan
SSJ Vegetto

fat buu stomps him harder than majin vegeta. Even post split fat buu will own him completely.

[RandomGuy96]

This is getting pretty silly. Tagoma, after powering up, got his ass kicked by an SS Gohan who was by all implications weaker than the one from the beginning of the Buu arc. He gets wiped out immediately by the very first opponent he faces.

Not that its ever really spelled out, but most believe that SS Gohan is accessing a weakened version of his Ultimate power.

That's... never remotely implied anywhere.

[Lord Beerus]

This is getting pretty silly. Tagoma, after powering up, got his ass kicked by an SS Gohan who was by all implications weaker than the one from the beginning of the Buu arc. He gets wiped out immediately by the very first opponent he faces.

Not that its ever really spelled out, but most believe that SS Gohan is accessing a weakened version of his Ultimate power.

That's... never remotely implied anywhere.

Yeah, I gotta side with RandomGuy96, I don't know where all this SSJ Gohan > Ultimate Gohan business is coming from. To be blunt, it seems like a bit of fan wank into regards to Gohan's strength. I think the confusion is coming from Gohan stating that Tagoma is as strong as Gohan's max power in his base form. And many fans have interpreted that meaning he is as strong as Ulimate Gohan as fans believe that Ultimate Gohan is his max base form power, even though Resurrection F and the Resurrection F arc of Super strongly implies he can no longer transform into Ultimate Gohan.

[Pantalones]

To me, Gohan in Super seems further ahead of Piccolo than he would've been if he'd just reverted to pre-Buu levels, or worse, actually got weaker than he was at the beginning of the Buu saga. Especially considering that Piccolo's the "always training" type, so he should've been getting (gradually) stronger all this time and making the gap between them smaller and smaller as time went on if Big Green was growing stronger and Gohan growing weaker.

So assuming Gohan's Super Saiyan form at this point is definitely stronger than any pre-"Ultimate" SSj Gohan -- such as his kid self at the Cell Games or "Z-Sword" Gohan (maybe a little tiny bit of the "Ultimate" boost still lingering?) -- but still much, much weaker than "Ultimate" Gohan (he can't draw out the full boost the way he used to anymore, he just goes Super Saiyan instead, and SSj was stated to be clearly inferior to the "Ultimate" state in every way... at least before god power-ups got involved. So this new SSj Gohan being stronger than Ultimate Gohan is out of the question, and even being equal to that form of Gohan would be pushing it since Gohan got this way by sheer lack of training... again)... I guess I could see Tagoma at least kinda putting up a fight against Fat Buu if he used his full power (the power shown off by Ginyu after taking over his body, rather than the suppressed power from before that.)

But just putting up a bit of a fight is the best he could really hope for. Beating Buu (any form of Buu) would be beyond him. Even if he had just barely enough power to pull it off, it seems unlikely that he knows any technique capable of generating a big enough blast to wipe all of Buu out in a single shot before he could regenerate.

[DanielSSJ]

I never suggested that RF Gohan was stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Such a thought would be ludicrous. All I said was that Gohan can still tap into a weakened version of his Ultimate Power by going Super Saiyan. This is primarily based on how base Gohan seemed superior to Piccolo. If I were to compare the two, Super Saiyan Gohan (RF) would be a 10 and Ultimate Gohan would be a 15 or greater.

[Khin]

New battles:

1. LSS M10 broly vs SS2 goku (CG) and SPC

2. Bojack , dabura (no spit) , LSS broly (M8) , Hatchiyak , Kid SS gohan , Buu arc SS goku , Perfect cell , Android 16 , Buu arc piccolo VS Majin SS2 vegeta

3. Kami vs Popo , Daimao , kid goku (god water) , 23rd TB Tien (No kikoho)

4. Buuhan vs Super buu [SS3 goku , Majin vegeta , Piccolo , SS2 kid gohan , Kibitoshin , M10 LSS broly , SPC] ABSORBED

5. BUU (Gohan , gotenks , Janemba , Hirdugarn) Absorbed VS SS vegetto

6. Buu arc kids run the gauntlet

Scenario 1 : POST ROSAT TRUNKS
Scenario 2 : PRE ROSAT GOTEN & TRUNKS
Scenario 3 : BASE GOTENKS (PRE)

The gauntlet:

- Android 16 and super 13
- Ascended trunks (grade 2)
- Cell games Piccolo
- Cell jr
- Saiyaman arc SS gohan
- Cell games Goku
- Buu arc SS goku
- Full powered perfect cell
- SS2 kid gohan

• Cell alone can win this.Adding Goku is overkill.
• Vegeta gets turned into stone
• Don't know.
• This Boo can't even beat Gotenks-Boo.
• Super Vegetto still stomps.
• Scenario 1 : Trunks stops at Boo Arc SSj Goku.
• Scenario 2 : Stops at Saiyaman Arc Gohan.But they can beat Cell Games Goku.
• Scenario 3 : Stops at Android 16

Frost in his Final Form vs. (In no real order):

Metal Coola (Post repairs)
Dabra
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Fat Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Kid Buu
Janemba
Buuhan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
Golden Freeza
Whis

Who does he beat and who beats him?

• Stops at Whis.He gets his ass kicked by Golden Freeza but wins due to his poison.

Tagoma (Post training in ROF arc) runs a gauntlet. How far does he go before he hits a brick wall:

Fat Boo (Pre-split)
Kid Boo
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT)
Super Boo
SSJ3 Gotenks
Super Boo (w/Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)
Ultimate Gohan
Bootenks
Base Vegetto
Boohan
SSJ Vegetto

• Tagoma doesn't beat anyone.
• Ginyu hits a brick wall at Evil Boo.

[apex_pretador]

[*]Vegeta gets turned into stone

No spit. I mentioned it.

• Stops at Whis.He gets his ass kicked by Golden Freeza but wins due to his poison.]

Will poison even work on freeza if frost can handle it without problem?

[Khin]

• Vegeta gets turned into stone

No spit. I mentioned it.

• Stops at Whis.He gets his ass kicked by Golden Freeza but wins due to his poison.]

Will poison even work on freeza if frost can handle it without problem?

• Oops.Didn't noticed that.Vegeta wrecks everyone then.
• Well,it was stated that he used a needle for the poison.So unless he accidentally hit himself with it,he will be fine.

[Khin]

Katatz's child/Nameless Namekian/Kamiccolo or whatever you call him before they split runs the gaunlet

• Nappa
• Goku (Saiyan Arc,No Kaioken)
• Kewi
• Vegeta (Saiyan Arc,No Oozaru)
• Dodoria
• Zarbon (Normal)
• Recoome
• 1st Form Freeza

Sorry for double posting.

[Sandubadear]

Katatz's child/Nameless Namekian/Kamiccolo or whatever you call him (Saiyan Arc) runs the gaunlet

• Nappa
• Goku (Saiyan Arc,No Kaioken)
• Kewi
• Vegeta (Saiyan Arc,No Oozaru)
• Dodoria
• Zarbon (Normal)
• Recoome
• 1st Form Freeza

Sorry for double posting.

In my opinion, the original Kamiccolo (before they split) would clear the list, but if Piccolo and Kami from the Saiyan arc fused, I think they would stop at Recoome.

[Khin]

In my opinion, the original Kamiccolo (before they split)

This is what i'm supposed to ask.I edited the post.

[apex_pretador]

Katatz's child/Nameless Namekian/Kamiccolo or whatever you call him before they split runs the gaunlet

• Nappa
• Goku (Saiyan Arc,No Kaioken)
• Kewi
• Vegeta (Saiyan Arc,No Oozaru)
• Dodoria
• Zarbon (Normal)
• Recoome
• 1st Form Freeza

Sorry for double posting.

Stops at cui, who was >= the strongest saiyan by far in like last 100 yrs

[ZombieVito]

Katatz's child/Nameless Namekian/Kamiccolo or whatever you call him before they split runs the gaunlet

• Nappa
• Goku (Saiyan Arc,No Kaioken)
• Kewi
• Vegeta (Saiyan Arc,No Oozaru)
• Dodoria
• Zarbon (Normal)
• Recoome
• 1st Form Freeza

Sorry for double posting.

Beats no one. Since Daimao had a BP of 260 in his prime that means this Piccolo can only have a BP of 520.

[apex_pretador]

Cyborg tao vs drum

Cyborg tao , Drum , BoZ Yamcha team VS Young daimao (MANGA daimao, not daizenshuu daimao)

Karin vs 22nd TB krillin

Goku, vegeta, trunks VS gohan & piccolo (all CG, no SS2)

M Spopovich vs BoDB goku & yamcha

M vegeta & Kid gohan vs fat buu (POST split)

[DanielSSJ]

Cyborg tao vs drum

Cyborg tao , Drum , BoZ Yamcha team VS Young daimao (MANGA daimao, not daizenshuu daimao)

Karin vs 22nd TB krillin

Goku, vegeta, trunks VS gohan & piccolo (all CG, no SS2)

M Spopovich vs BoDB goku & yamcha

M vegeta & Kid gohan vs fat buu (POST split)

- A pretty close call, but my gut says Tao Pai Pai takes it.
- Not sure what the difference is between manga Daimao and Daizenshuu Daimao is supposed to be, but Daimao takes it.
- Not even close. Karin wins easily.
- Gohan's strong, but he's not strong enough to fend off three Super Saiyans who are all more skilled than he his with only Piccolo for backup.
- Sorry, but Spopy is leagues above the BoDB crew. Heck, he may be above the 21st Budokai crew.
- My made up numbers peg Good Boo as being 2/3 of Fat Boo's original Power. He's probably too much for Gohan or Vegeta to handle on their own, but together, they could work something out.

[DBZAOTA482]

Cyborg tao vs drum

Cyborg tao , Drum , BoZ Yamcha team VS Young daimao (MANGA daimao, not daizenshuu daimao)

Karin vs 22nd TB krillin

Goku, vegeta, trunks VS gohan & piccolo (all CG, no SS2)

M Spopovich vs BoDB goku & yamcha

M vegeta & Kid gohan vs fat buu (POST split)

-Tao murderstomps
-Team 1 with minor difficulty. Yamcha is just one step behind Young Daimao power-wise and Tao isn't that far behind him either.
-Karin stomps
-Team 2 with moderate difficulty. Piccolo isn't that much weaker than Vegeta or Trunnks during the Cell Games who were absolutely no match for Goku and Gohan plus Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku at this point.
-BoDB Yamcha could take Spopovich easily on his own. He's definitely way more skilled and possibly way faster too... the only thing he'd have to worry about is dealing with Spopovich's weird body though I'm certain Yamcha has the strength to eradicate him.

[Hugo Boss]

Piccolo (Champa Arc) vs Broly

Who receives more wank?

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo (Champa Arc) vs Broly

Who receives more wank?

The fanboy in me says Piccolo but we really can't say where he stands right now.