Imagine a season-based Dragon Ball anime production

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by DevoSlice88 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:44 am

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Nah, they just don't care. All they care is a safe way to maximize profit, and since Dragon Ball will always attract money, they just spend the minimum without risking more than that.
Yeah but it just pisses me off how pathetic and just greedy that is. Like if they put more money into it and made it look as good as modern animes like Attack on Titan then then their money would come back to them tenfold because more people would praise it and enjoy it and pay more and demand more releases because of the vastly improved animation quality. Greedy bastards is right man, they give no shits about the product because they know it will sell anyway. I just wish they would've heard about how it takes money to make money.
Comparing Attack on Titan and Dragon Ball in any sense is not the best comparison. Attack on Titan is a short, late night anime series, and most short, late night anime series can afford to have better animation, because, well, they're short. The schedule would allow for better animation in comparison to long running series which pretty much has to meet a demand every week for God knows how many years. Short, late night anime series don't have to stretch their budget per episode like a 100+ long running anime would have to.

Attack On Titan, in all fairness, while popular, is nowhere near the global sensation like Dragon Ball is. The animation in Super can remain average because that market will still be there for the franchise because Dragon Ball is that big of name, and it will sell well regardless. Attack On Titan doesn't have that luxury because it's a late night anime, so it doesn't have the same amount of mass audience exposure that Dragon Ball Super has. So that anime having great animation is one of, if not, the main selling point, as BD collectors in Japan will more than likely buy a show if the animation is stunning, and if the show as a whole interests them. Great/Good animation = Good/Great BD sales = $$$.
Absolutely bro no argument, there can't be a comparison with the animation from shit like AoT to Dragon Ball, just a different era of anime. My point was only that if Toei invested some fucking money and hired some high class anime animators then they could have an even bigger DB cash cow on their hands then they'd know what to fucking do with it. But the big problemo is that they're greedy fucks (or maybe just not gamblin men) because they'd rather keep selling their half ass product just because they know it will sell no matter what.

If they just sacked up and put a little more loot into hiring modern day top notch animators, then they could increase their fucking revenue tenfold. But whatever, like I said they just aren't the gambling man that I am. But someone must see the value of the phrase "takes money to make money"? God I hope so haha

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by MozillaVulpix » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:53 am

I'm not even sure if Dragon Ball lends itself to a seasonal format. The laters arcs of the story are just too long to find a place where you could have a satisfactory conclusion partway through (even with a cliffhanger). Obviously, that doesn't have to be the case nowadays, when you're working with new material, but the format of the arcs would have to change a little bit. Less serialised, more self-contained.
I could have gotten into anything...and yet I chose the story aimed at young Japanese boys about martial arts, and later about super-powerful aliens punching each other really hard.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:02 am

MozillaVulpix wrote:I'm not even sure if Dragon Ball lends itself to a seasonal format. The laters arcs of the story are just too long to find a place where you could have a satisfactory conclusion partway through (even with a cliffhanger). Obviously, that doesn't have to be the case nowadays, when you're working with new material, but the format of the arcs would have to change a little bit. Less serialised, more self-contained.
One season of anime is usually between 10 or 20 episodes.

Every arc in Dragon Ball could easily be told in one season, and even if it couldn't there are plenty of cliffhangers within the arcs, so it wouldn't be a problem.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:08 am

rereboy wrote:
MozillaVulpix wrote:I'm not even sure if Dragon Ball lends itself to a seasonal format. The laters arcs of the story are just too long to find a place where you could have a satisfactory conclusion partway through (even with a cliffhanger). Obviously, that doesn't have to be the case nowadays, when you're working with new material, but the format of the arcs would have to change a little bit. Less serialised, more self-contained.
One season of anime is usually between 10 or 20 episodes.

Every arc in Dragon Ball could easily be told in one season, and even if it couldn't there are plenty of cliffhangers within the arcs, so it wouldn't be a problem.
Freeza, Cell and Boo in one season each? I'm not so sure about that. And even RRA, that was the longest arc untill those last big 3.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:24 am

Kuririn Fan wrote: Freeza, Cell and Boo in one season each? I'm not so sure about that. And even RRA, that was the longest arc untill those last big 3.
The attack on titan anime had 25 episodes and it covered the first 8 volumes of manga of the attack on titan manga. This is an anime that is considered to be amazing by most and the story is not constant action, it required a good deal of exposition.

Also, the first season of assassination classroom covered about 9 volumes of manga in 22 episodes. This is also a good anime but with lots of exposition.

In Dragon Ball:
The hunt for the dragon balls arc is about 2 volumes of manga long.
The 21st tournament arc is about 2 volumes of manga long.
The red ribbon arc is about 4 volumes of manga long.
The baba tournament is about 1 volume of manga long.
The 22nd tournament arc is about 2 volumes of manga long.
The piccolo daimao arc is about 3 volumes of manga long.
The 23rd tournament is about 2 volumes of manga long.
The saiyan arc is about 4 volumes of manga.
The namek arc is about 8 volumes of manga long.
The Cell arc is about 7 volumes of manga long.
The Buu arc is about 7 volumes of manga long.

There's no arc longer than 8 volumes of manga.

So, I see no reason to think that they wouldn't be able to do about the same as those animes.

With about 20 something episodes per season they should be able to remake Dragon Ball in 7 or 6 seasons easily. It would be something like this:

7 seasons:
Season 1: The hunt for the dragon balls arc and the 21st tournament arc (cliffhanger: Goku going to search for his DB) (it would cover 4 volumes).
Season 2: The red ribbon arc, the baba tournament arc and the 22nd tournament arc (cliffhanger: Krillin's death) (it would cover 7 volumes).
Season 3: The piccolo daimao arc and the 23rd tournament (cliffhanger: either Goku going off with Chichi or Radditz arriving) (it would cover 5 volumes).
Season 4: The saiyan arc (cliffhanger: going to Namek) (it would cover 4 volumes).
Season 5: The Namek arc (cliffhanger: Freeza arriving on Earth) (it would cover 8 volumes).
Season 6: The Cell arc (cliffhanger: either immediately after Cell is defeated or when when Gohan goes to school) (it would cover 7 volumes).
Season 7: The Buu arc (it would cover 7 volumes).

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6 seasons:
Season 1: The hunt for the dragon balls arc, the 21st tournament arc and the red ribbon arc (cliffhanger: Goku trying to resurrect Upa's father) (it would cover 8 volumes).
Season 2: The baba tournament arc, the 22nd tournament arc, the piccolo daimao arc and the 23rd tournament (cliffhanger: either Goku going off with Chichi or Radditz arriving) (it would cover 8 volumes).
Season 3: The saiyan arc (cliffhanger: going to Namek) (it would cover 4 volumes).
Season 4: The Namek arc (cliffhanger: Freeza arriving on Earth) (it would cover 8 volumes).
Season 5: The Cell arc (cliffhanger: either immediately after Cell is defeated or when when Gohan goes to school) (it would cover 7 volumes).
Season 6: The Buu arc (it would cover 7 volumes).

In the 6 season solution, with the exception of the saiyan arc which would cover less, every season would cover either 7 volumes or 8, which is what other animes like attack on titan and assassination classroom do.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:00 am

I prefer it the way it is.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:09 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:I prefer it the way it is.
First, any new anime or remake wouldn't erase the existing anime, so being opposed to it on the grounds that you would prefer the original doesn't make sense.

Second, you can't know that you wouldn't prefer it without experiencing it.

Third, even the hardcore fans of Dragon Ball are fully aware that DB's 444 anime episodes is an excessive amount of episodes and that they are plagued with pacing problems, dragging filler, filler of bad quality, and some animation and model issues. In a good quality remake, all of this would have a chance of being fixed or improved.

Fourth, a good quality anime would undoubtedly be much better than Kai (which is just edited DBZ) and since it has been 20 years since the anime ended, a real remake would be more than justified.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:27 am

I wouldn't be against it, but i know it won't happen because Toei.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:52 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:I wouldn't be against it, but i know it won't happen because Toei.
Of course, as I've already mentioned in this topic, that's exactly the problem. It would be easy to do so, produce a good quality product and make money, but Toei doesn't care about quality and just wants profit from little investment.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:25 am

rereboy wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Attack On Titan, in all fairness, while popular, is nowhere near the global sensation like Dragon Ball is. The animation in Super can remain average because Toei know that market will still be there for the franchise because Dragon Ball is that big of name, and it will sell well regardless. Attack On Titan doesn't have that luxury because it's a late night anime, so it doesn't have the same amount of mass audience exposure that Dragon Ball Super has. So that anime having great animation is one of, if not, the main selling point, as BD collectors in Japan will more than likely buy a show if the animation is stunning, and if the show as a whole interests them. Great/Good animation = Good/Great BD sales = $$$.
In other words, they don't care about the quality of their product, just profit margins.
Yeah, pretty much.

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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by Captain Strawberry » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:45 am

MozillaVulpix wrote:I'm not even sure if Dragon Ball lends itself to a seasonal format. The laters arcs of the story are just too long to find a place where you could have a satisfactory conclusion partway through (even with a cliffhanger). Obviously, that doesn't have to be the case nowadays, when you're working with new material, but the format of the arcs would have to change a little bit. Less serialised, more self-contained.
I disagree or atleast slightly because if it is a seasonal production than you have time to focus on the frames, the story board, how i'ts written therefore, you basically have time to focus on the pacing and have it be really good.
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Re: imagine a season dragon ball

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:51 am

MozillaVulpix wrote:I'm not even sure if Dragon Ball lends itself to a seasonal format. The laters arcs of the story are just too long to find a place where you could have a satisfactory conclusion partway through (even with a cliffhanger). Obviously, that doesn't have to be the case nowadays, when you're working with new material, but the format of the arcs would have to change a little bit. Less serialised, more self-contained.
I don't know about that. Even a super literal adaption could work in the cour-format. Even then the production staff could always simply change the plot to shorten or expand it. One doesn't have to perfectly synch up with the original comic.

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Re: Imagine a season-based Dragon Ball anime production

Post by B » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:33 am

The Freeza arc is abnormally long and wouldn't fit in neat 25-ish episode seasons. You'd have to add or condense some things.

How does JoJo's get away with taking breaks? Does anyone know the answer to this?
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Re: Imagine a season-based Dragon Ball anime production

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:36 am

B wrote:How does JoJo's get away with taking breaks? Does anyone know the answer to this?
They're adapting material that's existed for twenty-ish years. There's no rush.

Also, it's not Toei trying to keep their Sunday morning kids timeslot packed with marketing material.
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Re: Imagine a season-based Dragon Ball anime production

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:37 am

B wrote:The Freeza arc is abnormally long and wouldn't fit in neat 25-ish episode seasons. You'd have to add or condense some things.
Nothing major, although I'd offer changing the plot could be helpful in tightening the story up. God knows we could probably cut the battle with Freeza down drastically by removing his transformations or "now I'm really serious!" moments.
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Re: Imagine a season-based Dragon Ball anime production

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:28 pm

B wrote:The Freeza arc is abnormally long and wouldn't fit in neat 25-ish episode seasons. You'd have to add or condense some things.
We feel that the Namek arc was long due to how long the anime dragged it out. The Namek arc is, in reality, just 8 volumes of manga long.

As I've pointed out, both Attack on Titan and Assassination Classroom adapted 8 volumes of manga into 20 something episodes and both are good or excellent anime.

If you want yet another example, Death Note also covered in its first 20 something episodes the events of the first 7 or 8 volumes in the manga and Death Note is REALLY heavy on exposition and talking.

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