Are you satisfied with the story of Super so far?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I ignore the daizenshuu and all multipliers because they don't seam consistant. each form multipies by 1.2 I pretend or something. because super vegito doesn't seam like 50x stronger then vegito's base in the anime for example. Not worth stressing over.

I don't use a multiplier I just say someone is stronger than someone else or a transformation is stronger than another transformation.

That's a mess less stressful way to look at it.

The only multiplier I even consider debating on is ssj4, people say it's 10x ssj3...but if it was....and ssj3 goku was below baby, wouldn't goku still be OWNED by baby when he got his 10x multiplier? And he was even damaged before he went ssj4, so I don't think it's ssj4, but I don't really ever wanna correct people online because trying to have a mature debate on dbz on the internet is kind of like trying to go ssj3 in real life....you try and you try, but to no avail

[TheMikado]

^ there with you, even on the love of GT and the multiplier. I will say I always thought SSJ4 was x500 because it was x50 SSJ x10 Oozaru form which still puts it above the SSJ3 x400 level and actually make sense based on previous lore. I put Full power SSJ4 at x1000 because SSJ2 is x100 plus the x10 of Oozaru.

The only rational way to get that SSJ3 x10 is if you assume The Oozaru form multiplied against max potential. Although theoritically it should be possible to reach that in the Oozaru form. I.e. SSJ3 Goku looks at the moon.

Anyway I derailed the topic. The problem with Supers story is that the power levels have finally overtaken and diluted the narrative. From Gokus beginning base to the current SSB best estimates would put that over all power multiplier at x25,000 or 2,500,000% increase in less than a year. When your power jumps like that it's difficult for the rest of your world building to make sense. In Z they seemed to try to pull it back with SSJ2 being a x2 increase and SSJ3 being an x 4 increase.

Super is suffering from the same problems as Z where after the first initial power boost the author didn't expect the story to continue and everything, the entire story, plot, characters had to be rescaled to bring balance. This is basically the same situation as the Z power jump but without Toriyama to write or explain his way out of it.