Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by pacz360 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:07 pm

Gt it felt like a contituaton of the series and has the balls go beyond eoz which super doesn't.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:48 pm

As for my personal opinion: DBGT has a wonderful story that I enjoy very much in Japanese. DB Super on the other hand, lacks originality and seriousness. I couldn't get used to that series if I tried.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:42 pm

TheMikado wrote:^ bingo. Super has earned the title of side story far more than anything GT did
maybe technically, Super is a side story because there filling you in what happened within the 10 year gap. GT is a Grand side story...
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:05 pm

Overall, GT had the better transition. GT takes place after the end of the manga, whereas Super take place during the time skip between the end of the Boo arc and the 28th Budokai, giving them a somewhat cramped time frame.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:42 pm

GT. Definitely. It actually felt like a real time-skip where characters had advanced and grew up, whether people like the way they turned out or not. It just had a more coherent path with a bit more consistent continuity with the old series' in setting than Super does. Sure Super imports things here and there out of the blue like the Kaioken and Galick Gun but they has no context within the plot to seamlessly integrate it into a reference. Where as GT referenced things in a more "loose-ends" from each arc fashion with the intent on closure to former arcs. For example the Pilaf reference was still done better in GT because he was there for the audience's sake comparing Z Goku to Pilaf's long outdated impression of Goku. Where as in Super, the two don't ever meet, most people besides Goku don't know who they are and are just there for the audience t just recognize. The real fanservice (for me) is for the characters themselves to reference things of the past to each other and get a reaction out of the next generation or use them to recall actual learned information to help them in a fight, not just throw things in there so the audience will remember they exist.

Super on the other hand is just has disjointed, random events pop in and out, Goku acts dumber than usual, and still doesn't feel like it has any real direction based on anything from the old series, or reflection in established lore to it at all. Therefore, I agree with those saying Super may as well be one big forgettable side-story. Nothing about it feels like its actually progressing the series at all but a Bleach/One-Piece-esc filler arc.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Vados_chan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:48 pm

Super because it's actually canon.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:51 pm

Vados_chan wrote:Super because it's actually canon.
"Canon" is just a fan hand-wave claim now. Super has "main series relevance" at best I give it.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:06 pm

Vados_chan wrote:Super because it's actually canon.
How? Please, explain.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Bansho64 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:13 pm

Vados_chan wrote:Super because it's actually canon.
So Minus is better than the Bardock special because it's "canon"?

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by ther2view » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:43 pm

So, I feel a bit torn in that regard. To me, GT, with all its flaws, does feel like a continuation of the story... albeit one that kind of spins it's tires a bit. Super, on the other hand, does feel like a natural continuation of the Boo arc. With character designs, tone, and even just a sense of ridiculousness when it comes to new powers and abilities. To me, Super does feel like it was continuing on from Boo, just with less stakes. So I kind of feel like both succeed in transitions, just in different ways. GT feels like a sequel series, while Super feels like a continuation. But that's just my feelings.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Cetra » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:41 am

Vados_chan wrote:Super because it's actually canon.
That is not only wrong as the best state to explain Dragon Ball is "pseudo-canonical" or "undefined" but also total nonsensical. So if they decided to write a continuation that told only "insert any crap here and then 10 years passed. Oh and by the way that is canonical." that would automatically be better for you?
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Gorou » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:30 am

GT because was boldly conceived as a truly genuine continuation, and not as a simple midquel

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Doctor. » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:54 am

GT definitely. Doesn't mean I prefer it over Super, but it definitely feels like the more natural transition considering it follows up on the epilogue and presents us with older characters and the newer generation, whilst Super insists on staying on the 10-year time gap with disjointed events.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by MCDaveG » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:04 pm

Going by animation is nonsense, as GT transitioned by the TV slot immediately, still had a totally different look, which I didn't mind much as a kid. Damn, what is it with these nostalgic threads?
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The best transition, hands down as I have a lot of issues with this series, goes for Super.
It shows the recap of what happened in the last episodes of Buu arc and starts as few months after.

GT starts with battle on the lookout, Goku in weird coloured Gi against some african punk, oh, that's the Uub!
I wonder, if there is any info on GT's production, as why the story started so long after Z!
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:11 pm

MCDaveG wrote: I wonder, if there is any info on GT's production, as why the story started so long after Z!
Actually, GT was aired in Japan a week after Z.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:43 pm

MCDaveG wrote: GT starts with battle on the lookout, Goku in weird coloured Gi against some african punk, oh, that's the Uub!
I'd rather see Goku fight that 'african punk' in continuity to the actual plot, then watch a spoiled rich and dopey sidekick kid fight an unreasonably durable, generic snake over plain water and never referenced again.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by TheMikado » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:44 am

MCDaveG wrote:Going by animation is nonsense, as GT transitioned by the TV slot immediately, still had a totally different look, which I didn't mind much as a kid. Damn, what is it with these nostalgic threads?
We are getting seriously old people, it's time to have kids, careers and full-fledged families...

The best transition, hands down as I have a lot of issues with this series, goes for Super.
It shows the recap of what happened in the last episodes of Buu arc and starts as few months after.

GT starts with battle on the lookout, Goku in weird coloured Gi against some african punk, oh, that's the Uub!
I wonder, if there is any info on GT's production, as why the story started so long after Z!
You don't seem to be familiar with EOZ... That's why people who are familiar either intricacies of the lore and story find GT more consistent. To more casual fans who are not fully familiar with storylines and frachise Super may seem more consistent even though it sometimes ignores lore establish even in Z.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:35 am

MCDaveG wrote:I wonder, if there is any info on GT's production, as why the story started so long after Z!
We don't know much about it outside of a few teases in the GT perfect files.

GT will soon be the shortest of the 5 shows but it has the most mysteries surrounding it so I'd love a GT book that goes into full details about why they made the choices they made and what would they have done if it went on longer or if they got a chance to continue it today.
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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by sangofe » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:47 am

Xeztin wrote:Honestly, it would be GT only because of the animation. GT was the same as Z back then and now its all digital and even though I watch other modern series, it really took me a while to get used to Dragon Ball being animated like that in a weekly series.
No. GT had a significant change in art style and color scheme.

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Re: Which series had a more natural transition? Super or GT

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:41 am

TheMikado wrote: You don't seem to be familiar with EOZ... That's why people who are familiar either intricacies of the lore and story find GT more consistent. To more casual fans who are not fully familiar with storylines and frachise Super may seem more consistent even though it sometimes ignores lore establish even in Z.
Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT are as consistent as the manga and the 2 anime adaptations have ever been. I have to question what does exactly SUPER ignores from the "established" lore in Z? Unless your defintion of ignoring lore = Your fan made mathematical power level list being invalidated.
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