The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Gohan (Saiyan arc) vs Pan (EOZ)

Pan flew across the Earth, right? She should take this no problem.

[DanielSSJ]

Plus, there's the (not-so-serious) Dragon Ball SD chapter where she smacks Future Trunks to the moon or something, and the narrator comments on how the gross power inflation of the main timeline has left him in the dust.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Gohan (Saiyan arc) vs Pan (EOZ)

Pan flew across the Earth, right? She should take this no problem.

By the time of Gt she bitched slapped rildo to the ground, who without powering up was above buuhan.

To be able to even make him flinch the power has to be pretty close, goku's Kamehameha didn't even flinch broly, so I put GT pan>ssj vegito easily, she didn't power up herself.

By the time of EOZ...she didn't train that much, so again above vegito ssj easily.

[Khin]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

• FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
• Cell Junior
• FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
• FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
• Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
• FPSS Kid Gohan
• Perfect Cell [Full Power]

Note: He gets healed after each match.

[Lord Beerus]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

• FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
• Cell Junior
• FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
• FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
• Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
• FPSS Kid Gohan
• Perfect Cell [Full Power]

Note: He gets healed after each match.

Piccolo beats no one.

[DanielSSJ]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

• FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
• Cell Junior
• FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
• FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
• Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
• FPSS Kid Gohan
• Perfect Cell [Full Power]

Note: He gets healed after each match.

I don't think Piccolo made any notable improvements until the U6 arc, so this Piccolo is about the same as Boo Arc Piccolo. With that in mind, he's still weaker than the Cell Junior, but is skilled enough to out maneuver it. Everyone else on the list is beyond him.

[Majin Whis]

Super Saiyan Blue goku vs Super Saiyan God goku,

[Khin]

Super Saiyan Blue goku vs Super Saiyan God goku,

Assuming you mean SSB Goku [RoF].He wins with medium difficulty.I personally put him at 0.7 in the god scale and 0.6 for Super Saiyan God Goku.

Minute: 2

Narrator: "In order to surpass the powered up Freeza, Goku mutated into a form that exceeded even Super Saiyan God."

Significance: As chapter 5 indicated a few months ago, Goku's blue form is a step up from Super Saiyan God. Also, another instance of "mutation" being used to describe a transformation.

[TenshinFan]

Gohan (Saiyan arc) vs Pan (EOZ)

Pan flew across the Earth, right? She should take this no problem.

By the time of Gt she bitched slapped rildo to the ground, who without powering up was above buuhan.

To be able to even make him flinch the power has to be pretty close, goku's Kamehameha didn't even flinch broly, so I put GT pan>ssj vegito easily, she didn't power up herself.

By the time of EOZ...she didn't train that much, so again above vegito ssj easily.

I thought Rilldo was more equatable to Majin/Fat/Mister Buu, rather than Buuhan?

[Pantalones]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
Cell Junior
FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
FPSS Kid Gohan
Perfect Cell [Full Power]

I figure he's probably at least strong enough to handle Vegeta, Trunks, or the Cell Jr. at this point -- he wasn't that far behind their range of power during the Cell Games, after all, and even if he hasn't made any huge gains since then, it shouldn't take huge gains to close that gap considering that he was supposed to have powered up pretty immensely between the #17 fight and the Cell Games (...just not enough to be of much help against Cell himself. Which doesn't mean he's weak compared to the Saiyans, since none of them except Gohan had the power to beat Cell either.)

I thought Rilldo was more equatable to Majin/Fat/Mister Buu, rather than Buuhan?

Fans of extreme GT power inflation like to put him above the absolute strongest Buu just for extreme power inflation's sake.

It seems a lot more logical to think that Goku's talking about either Fat/Mr. Buu (the Buu who he's known for 15 years or so at this point and thus is most familiar with) or Kid Buu (the only Buu that Goku -- unfused -- fought seriously with, whose power he also was very familiar with.)

(All that's ever said is an extremely vague line about Goku suspecting that Rilldo's hiding more power, and with that power brought out he might be even more powerful than Majin Buu, which doesn't narrow it down at all. Heck, he might even be talking about one of Rilldo's higher forms rather than his base form.)

[apex_pretador]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

• FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
• Cell Junior
• FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
• FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
• Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
• FPSS Kid Gohan
• Perfect Cell [Full Power]

Note: He gets healed after each match.

Are you SSJ3 vegeta? seems like you changed your username.

Piccolo RoF was more pathetic than gohan, so forget him. BoG Piccolo (who is slightly above buu arc piccolo) , breezes till goku, who gives him hell, but loses. He barely beats cell and barely beats gohan but gets utterly stomped by perfect cell.

Super Saiyan Blue goku vs Super Saiyan God goku,

blue goku one shots

[TenshinFan]

I thought Rilldo was more equatable to Majin/Fat/Mister Buu, rather than Buuhan?

Fans of extreme GT power inflation like to put him above the absolute strongest Buu just for extreme power inflation's sake.

It seems a lot more logical to think that Goku's talking about either Fat/Mr. Buu (the Buu who he's known for 15 years or so at this point and thus is most familiar with) or Kid Buu (the only Buu that Goku -- unfused -- fought seriously with, whose power he also was very familiar with.)

(All that's ever said is an extremely vague line about Goku suspecting that Rilldo's hiding more power, and with that power brought out he might be even more powerful than Majin Buu, which doesn't narrow it down at all. Heck, he might even be talking about one of Rilldo's higher forms rather than his base form.)

Yeah I dunno, the way I see it SS3 Kid Goku has gotta be weaker than SS3 Buu-Saga Goku, purely by size if anything. Rilldo even in his second Metal form got his ass clocked by Super Saiyan 1 (maybe 2?) Goku. SS3 Adult Goku is a hair under Kid Buu. The way I see it, the only thing even close would be Rilldo's final form and Buu's initial fat form.

Even then, I always thought it was a kind of forced comparison. Baby for sure is stronger than Buu. But Rilldo... yeah that might be pushing it, even if I am partial to his Hyper Drill whatever Form.

But since this is a Versus thread...

Spoiler:

Rilldo vs Mr Buu | Rilldo vs Kid Buu | Rilldo vs Super Buu | Rilldo vs Evil Buu | Rilldo vs Buuhan
Hyper Rilldo vs Kid Buu | Hyper Rilldo vs Super Buu | Hyper Rilldo vs Mr Buu | Hyper Rilldo vs Evil Buu | Hyper Rilldo vs Buuhan
Metal Rilldo vs Super Buu | Metal Rilldo vs Kid Buu | Metal Rilldo vs Mr Buu | Metal Rilldo vs Evil Buu | Metal Rilldo vs Buuhan

[Roronoa-pt]

Piccolo [RoF Arc] runs the gaunlet:

• FPSS Vegeta [Cell Games]
• Cell Junior
• FPSS Future Trunks [Last Appearance]
• FPSS Goku [Cell Games]
• Suppressed Perfect Cell [Against Goku/Gohan]
• FPSS Kid Gohan
• Perfect Cell [Full Power]

Note: He gets healed after each match.

Piccolo stops at Perfect Cell.

[Analytic]

Fans of extreme GT power inflation like to put him above the absolute strongest Buu just for extreme power inflation's sake.

Or because General Rild beat up Gohan who was stated to have continued training after Z.

[Pantalones]

Or because General Rild beat up Gohan who was stated to have continued training after Z.

GT Gohan is a weird situation, though -- not one that lends itself well to power comparisons, either. We know Gohan didn't really train after the Buu saga (we see the very much non-fighter Gohan at the last Z tournament where Uub shows up, and although BoG/RoF/Super and GT aren't even close to being in the same continuity with each other, Super definitely has Gohan slack off for at least the first half of the post-Buu time gap), so if he continued training before GT it pretty much has to be in the end-of-Z/start-of-GT gap. And in GT suddenly he doesn't seem to have his Mystic/Ultimate power anymore since he's transforming into a Super Saiyan instead.

It's entirely possible that GT Gohan is a "lost Mystic/Ultimate power from slacking off, then started training seriously again in an attempt to make up for it" situation, like the direction he seems to be going in Super now with wanting to train with Piccolo again and all. He might very well be a lot stronger than Buu Saga Gohan was before getting the old Kaioshin's power-up, but still falling far short of the level he was on after getting that boost.

Plus, didn't Rilldo only beat base Gohan, not Super Saiyan? -- and didn't he zap his arm/leg with the metal beam, which would've given Gohan trouble even if he did have enough power to keep up (remember the final clash of the Cell Games when he was down one arm? now do that to a Gohan that can't bring out that final burst of rage power anymore. Yeah...)

It'd be pretty silly to completely ignore the weirdness of GT Gohan and assume he's randomly way stronger than Mystic/Ultimate Gohan (despite all on-screen indications that he's probably weaker...) just because a single guidebook statement says he started training again after the end of Z.

[Analytic]

It's entirely possible that GT Gohan is a "lost Mystic/Ultimate power from slacking off, then started training seriously again in an attempt to make up for it" situation

It's possible, but it's not supported by anything at all and is usually just derived from people not wanting GT characters to be so strong.

It's also contradictory to Gohan still retaining his Ultimate-exclusive eyes and hair features.

[DanielSSJ]

It's entirely possible that GT Gohan is a "lost Mystic/Ultimate power from slacking off, then started training seriously again in an attempt to make up for it" situation

It's possible, but it's not supported by anything at all and is usually just derived from people not wanting GT characters to be so strong.

It's also contradictory to Gohan still retaining his Ultimate-exclusive eyes and hair features.

The eyes I can see, but I wouldn't call his hairstyle "Ultimate exclusive", because it pretty much looks like his earlier Boo-arc hair cut. Also, the fact that he's going Super Saiyan at all says to me that he is not Ultimate. Then again, it's GT so I dunno.

[Analytic]

I pointed out the hair only because it's spikier and more defined similar to Super Saiyan (except black still). I can't post scans, but I definitely see a distinct difference between pre-ritual and post-ritual Gohan's hair.

As for Gohan going Super Saiyan, I don't see why that means he lost his power-up from the Old Kaioshin. Ultimate was just all of his power brought into base, not an actual form. If his potential continues to grow, then I don't see why he couldn't transform again with proper training.

[Hellspawn28]

Crossover Battles:

Greed's Ultimate Shield Form from Full Metal Alchemist vs. General Blue
Saitama from One Punch Man vs. Arale
The Flash (CW TV show version) vs. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Roshi (No buff transformation)
Archer from Fate/Stay Night vs. Tao Pai Pai (Make it Cyber Tao if it's too one sided)
Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins vs. 22nd Tenakichi Budokai Goku
Alexander Anderson from Hellsing vs. Nam
Offensive Armor Shinobu Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho vs. Radditz

Who wins these matches?

[DanielSSJ]

Crossover Battles:

Greed's Ultimate Shield Form from Full Metal Alchemist vs. General Blue
Saitama from One Punch Man vs. Arale
The Flash (CW TV show version) vs. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Roshi (No buff transformation)
Archer from Fate/Stay Night vs. Tao Pai Pai (Make it Cyber Tao if it's too one sided)
Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins vs. 22nd Tenakichi Budokai Goku
Alexander Anderson from Hellsing vs. Nam
Offensive Armor Shinobu Sensui from Yu Yu Hakusho vs. Raditz

Who wins these matches?

- Greed can't be injured by someone at Blue's power level, and he still has his philosopher stone keeping him alive. Blue will eventually succumb to Greed.
- The universe is fucked.
- Uhhhhhh...
- Ummmm...
- If it's Meliodas before he regains his power, Goku loses. If it's after, Goku super loses.
- Probably Alexander.
- Hard to say. I'd say that Sensui is probably as strong as King Piccolo, give or take. Raditz would be way to much for him.