"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu May 19, 2016 6:44 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Quoting them isn't much better....
You're right. :oops:

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Xeztin » Thu May 19, 2016 6:57 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Quoting them isn't much better...

Anyway, I finally got my copy of Volume 1 of the manga. I flipped through it, and it still irritates me that we skipped the Golden Freeza material.
Same here! hopefully Malik or someone gets time to redraw those ROF scans I posted in fan-created works a while back.(http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =6&t=33515) It continues from the original 3 ROF movie chapters. Also I love SSJB in the manga, gives it more of a distinction than shading and separates it from SSJ2.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Ajay » Sat May 21, 2016 6:33 am

Interesting to see that AF artist Young Jijii redrew panels from this month's chapter:

Example 1:
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Really interesting to note the differences. I think I finally understand what Kei17 meant by Toyotaro's manga feeling like watching the anime rather than reading a continuation of Toriyama's manga. Personally I'm quite fond of both, but Jijii draws hair better than Toyotaro by an absolute landslide.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by derpgoku » Sat May 21, 2016 7:47 am

And it seems like he buffed the characters,which i like it because they really look better .

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat May 21, 2016 8:41 am

A 2ch user mentioned that Jaco's explanation in the manga for Tokitobashi meant that it was like Diablo instead of The World. I don't follow Jojo so I don't know what this means but since a lot of people were comparing the techniques, I thought it would be interesting to know. Either way, I haven't seen the text so I can't say this is accurate.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat May 21, 2016 9:19 am

Ajay wrote:Interesting to see that AF artist Young Jijii redrew panels from this month's chapter:

Example 1:
Example 2:
Really interesting to note the differences. I think I finally understand what Kei17 meant by Toyotaro's manga feeling like watching the anime rather than reading a continuation of Toriyama's manga. Personally I'm quite fond of both, but Jijii draws hair better than Toyotaro by an absolute landslide.
I like Jijii's aura for SSB a lot better than Toyotaro's.
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I said joke and or short fights: Piccolo vs Frost (it sucked in the manga), Vegeta vs Frost and Vegeta vs Magetta, that's 3 in a row. Anime is better.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 21, 2016 9:21 am

It was still better than the manga.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat May 21, 2016 9:23 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:It was still better than the manga.
It would've been fine if the anime just had him use SSB to actually sell us on genuine tension. But he doesn't because the form that gives them perfect ki control is also a pain on their stamina... or something.

Nah, I'll take a gag fight with good comedy over a "serious" fight that falls apart immediately.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 21, 2016 9:31 am

ekrolo2 wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:It was still better than the manga.
It would've been fine if the anime just had him use SSB to actually sell us on genuine tension. But he doesn't because the form that gives them perfect ki control is also a pain on their stamina... or something.

Nah, I'll take a gag fight with good comedy over a "serious" fight that falls apart immediately.
Agree to disagree situation, i guess.
3 weak fights in a row isn't something i like.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat May 21, 2016 9:53 am

It doesn't fall apart, they were hiding their power because of Hit. They could have lost while using Super Saiyajin so there's the tension.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by dbgtFO » Sat May 21, 2016 10:03 am

alakazam^ wrote:It doesn't fall apart, they were hiding their power because of Hit. They could have lost while using Super Saiyajin so there's the tension.
Meh, I don't really see, why it was necessary at all to hide their power from him. One-shot all the scrubs in SSB and he couldn't possibly come to the conclusion, that it was a draining form anyways.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by kinisking » Sat May 21, 2016 10:56 am

I don't like jiji's aura at all. It looks like a flame which is more fitting off ssg plus it's too translucent imo. I'm one of the people that also likes the bubble/water looking things so that's another reason that I prefer toyotoro. Jiji did an awesome job at making the new characters look like the old style . I like the new/Anime style more though. I like how Jiji buffed up vegeta, he looks much better that way. For the hair, I would actually call it even. Young Jiji has a better drawing but the way he shades it makes it look weird.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by TheMikado » Sat May 21, 2016 11:54 am

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alakazam^ wrote:It doesn't fall apart, they were hiding their power because of Hit. They could have lost while using Super Saiyajin so there's the tension.
Meh, I don't really see, why it was necessary at all to hide their power from him. One-shot all the scrubs in SSB and he couldn't possibly come to the conclusion, that it was a draining form anyways.
Exactly, 10 seconds in SSB couldn't been anymore exhausting then the heat exhaustion Vegeta was facing. It's not like they look particularly stressed out, strained, or exhausted in that form and sure beats nearly losing a battle and kicked out of the tournament anyway.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat May 21, 2016 12:08 pm

That's what Beers wanted but they'd rather have fun and go with the flow.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Sat May 21, 2016 12:19 pm

Yeah, the fight's in the manga are more grounded and don't try to give us tension that isn't there. It makes more sense to those who ask "why don't they just turn SSJB and end this".
We have two old-fashioned fighters, Cabba and Frost, who the characters just dominate. Then there's two special abilities fighters, Botamo and Magetta, who they want us to assume that even if they turned SSJB, it wouldn't make any difference. They are already stronger at Base/SSJ, it isn't about power it's about intelligence/strategy's.
Against Botamo Vegeta says that even if Goku powers up it might not matter. Against Magetta Piccolo wonders if he's invulnerable, implying that even if Vegeta went SSJB it might not be as simple as an one punch KO. Besides Vegeta quickly turning into a ring out strategy, when he saw his attacks had no effect.
It's a decent way to have an entertaining arc with twists and challenges, even knowing that our main characters are juggernauts.

The anime likes to dramatize sometimes to great results with Freeza exploding the Earth and we seeing everybody; other to ridiculous results like Bulma being slapped by Beerus.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat May 21, 2016 12:46 pm

People are STILL complaining about them not just going Blue to coast through the tournament? How do they improve from that? How is that a rewarding experience for them? Goku and Vegeta wanted the tournament to be a chance to get stronger, blasting through enemies that are a match for them in their lower forms by just using a higher transformation isn't going to help them improve one bit.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Araki » Sat May 21, 2016 1:06 pm

TheMikado wrote:Exactly, 10 seconds in SSB couldn't been anymore exhausting then the heat exhaustion Vegeta was facing.
If he went SSB that moment then he would feel even more exhausted.
LightBing wrote:Yeah, the fight's in the manga are more grounded and don't try to give us tension that isn't there. It makes more sense to those who ask "why don't they just turn SSJB and end this".
What "fights" are you talking about, exactly? The only one more dramatic in the anime was Vegeta vs Magetta.

Oh, and it's worth remembering that even while in the anime Vegeta went SSJ and immediately one-shotted Frost, in the manga he lost a lot of unnecessary time and energy beating him up.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Sat May 21, 2016 1:10 pm

Re: Jiji

He removes the Yamamuro influence from the equation. That's the first thing I think of looking at the comparison art. It's sharper and the faces are tighter. It looks really cool.

My only wonder is how much time did it take Jiji and Toyotarou each to complete their pages.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat May 21, 2016 1:27 pm

I really, really dislike the redraws. Though, I also dislike his art style in general because it's based off Toriyama's Cell Arc style, which I wasn't that fond of (though it did look better than what Young Jiji is doing).
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Sat May 21, 2016 1:36 pm

I do prefer Toyotarou's Gokû. I do like how he draws him.
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