Do we expect too much from Super?

[TekTheNinja]

Uni 6 and 7 are twins, so they have a lot of things in common. Why do you hate Super all of a sudden?

I dunno. Maybe he came to his senses and realized it's garbage.

Getting real sick of that, "Lel they're twin universes so that excuses lazy design and writing" excuse. Seriously, stop it.

It's not garbage, it's ok, nothing special.
It has nothing on DB & DBZ, but is better than GT.
Lazy or not, they're twin universes, that's how it works.

Nope. Even GT is superior to this rubbish.
Even if your idiotic twin universe excuse was valid things could still be different instead of a Frieza recolor who acts almost exactly like Frieza, among other things. It's simply lazy.

[Kuririn Fan]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

Both shows can be compared to one another as long as substantial arguments are made.

[DragonHermit]

I don't care what it is, we've gotten enough recolors and rehashed designs so they don't need to keep making them.

Lmao it's a filler 2-3 episode arc to pad out until Future Trunks arc starts. Every anime has this stuff. DBZ had Garlic Jr ffs.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

It definitely can be compared both Super and GT are not even remotely as good as the original series.The difference GT is a side story my expectations for it for not that high but Super it is the sequel to the original series my expectations were sky high and i am sure it is not just me it hasn't met with the expectations of a lot of people.So your arguement that GT is terrible and Super isn't is just based on the fact if i am guessing it right is that cause Toriyama wrote Super and it's canon and all that stuff right?

- Travis

[Soppa Saia People]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

It definitely can be compared both Super and GT are not even remotely as good as the original series.The difference GT is a side story my expectations for it for not that high but Super it is the sequel to the original series my expectations were sky high and i am sure it is not just me it hasn't met with the expectations of a lot of people.So your arguement that GT is terrible and Super isn't is just based on the fact if i am guessing it right is that cause Toriyama wrote Super and it's canon and all that stuff right?

- Travis

Why does everyone brings this up despite the fact that nobody is ever like that. I mean some people will like something just "cuz it's canon" but nobody ever is like "Welp Toriyama wrote it, it's a masterpiece/better then Toei", I see more hate for the guy nowadays

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

It definitely can be compared both Super and GT are not even remotely as good as the original series.The difference GT is a side story my expectations for it for not that high but Super it is the sequel to the original series my expectations were sky high and i am sure it is not just me it hasn't met with the expectations of a lot of people.So your arguement that GT is terrible and Super isn't is just based on the fact if i am guessing it right is that cause Toriyama wrote Super and it's canon and all that stuff right?

- Travis

Why does everyone brings this up despite the fact that nobody is ever like that. I mean some people will like something just "cuz it's canon" but nobody ever is like "Welp Toriyama wrote it, it's a masterpiece/better then Toei", I see more hate for the guy nowadays

I am not hating on Toriyama but the most popular reason for GT being hated is Toriyama didn't wrote it so it is not canon. I don't like this reason at all.

- Travis

[sintzu]

I dunno. Maybe he came to his senses and realized it's garbage.

Getting real sick of that, "Lel they're twin universes so that excuses lazy design and writing" excuse. Seriously, stop it.

90/100?! That can't be right! RAHHHHHG! *breaks scouter*

I think garbage is a bit much but I do think it's been really lazy and uncreative.

If we get something completely different from the other universes then it'll somewhat make up for it but I think we might just end up with more Beerus variants like old Beerus who's his grandfather and buff Beerus who's his uncle.

9/10 compared to the rest of Super, not the other 3 series or other anime.

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

I did a full comparison between the 2 and GT got a higher rating, not by much but it was still higher.

[Kuririn Fan]

Saikyo
That's definitely not the most popular reason. It's hated because it's bad and boring, not because it's non canon. Why do people bring that all the time, when that's never true?
Sintzu
We won't get Beerus' grandfather, because other universes are different.
So, you rated GT higher than Super, good for you, you also gave RoF arc 9/10.

[sintzu]

We won't get Beerus' grandfather, because other universes are different.

So, you rated GT higher than Super, good for you, you also gave RoF arc 9/10.

I hope not ?

What does that have to do with anything ? are going to say that GT got a higher rating because I'm a Vegeta fanboy ?

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Saikyo
That's definitely not the most popular reason. It's hated because it's bad and boring, not because it's non canon. Why do people bring that all the time, when that's never true?

Ok maybe it is not the most popular reason but it definitely is one of the reasons why GT is hated and what some find bad and boring some find it fun. I am in the "fun" category.GT is not near as good as the original series but it isn't garbage it is a side story and not a bad side story.

- Travis

[Kuririn Fan]

We won't get Beerus' grandfather, because other universes are different.

So, you rated GT higher than Super, good for you, you also gave RoF arc 9/10.

I hope not ?

What does that have to do with anything ? are going to say that GT got a higher rating because I'm a Vegeta fanboy ?

It shows that you have an interesting opinion.

[saiyanvegetable]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

We get it, you're a super fanboy. This is a trainwreck of a series and anybody who says otherwise is lying to themselves. It's been marginally improving, I'll give you that, but we're almost at the 50 episode mark and this has got to be one of the most mediocre anime's I've ever seen. The only saving grace for many people is the fact that it's got the Dragonball name and characters in it. Take that way and a lot of this is purely unwatchable..

I never liked GT and was never able to stomach watching the whole thing but I was able to watch some as if it was one of those AF mangas - like an alternate timeline bad fanfic. You can't even do that with Super.

[Kuririn Fan]

Dragon Ball GT is garbage, it can't be compared to Super.

We get it, you're a super fanboy. This is a trainwreck of a series and anybody who says otherwise is lying to themselves. It's been marginally improving, I'll give you that, but we're almost at the 50 episode mark and this has got to be one of the most mediocre anime's I've ever seen. The only saving grace for many people is the fact that it's got the Dragonball name and characters in it. Take that way and a lot of this is purely unwatchable..

I'm not a Super fanboy, i'm a Dragon Ball fanboy. Super is alright, ignoring the mostly bad movie retellings and is still better than GT.
At least it feels like Dragon Ball.

[VegettoEX]

It's almost as if different people have different tastes and can find different types of enjoyment in different things!

Let's all remember that as the conversation continues. Thanks!

[DBZAOTA482]

Super at least doesn't have that godawful abomination of a story arc Black Star Dragon Ball Saga. That's make it win by default.

Also for Super's Frost... GT has Pan, Giru, and Bebi.

[Avok]

GT is based, bad executed, but based.

I'd rather have good concepts and ideas that are bad executed (GT) than meh ideas badly exectued (Super).

The Shadow Dragons Saga is the most imaginative and fresh concept in all of Dragon Ball. It was pulled off in an appailing way, but the ideas are there.
The Golden Oozaru? Amazing idea, and the scene where Goku transforms has more atmosphere and strenght than any scene Super has (and will have). Look at this, for God's sake.

And Piccolo's death? Man, compare it to the one in Super. It's as if the latter is a bad joke.

I know it is a matter of taste, but I fail to see how people think Super is better than those scenes.

"Toriyama wrote Super"
That's just Toei putting his name so people swallow the series like it's legit. He is just giving them ideas and then the folks at Toei develop them, and that's the problem. What made Dragon Ball great wasn't the amazing storyline or the huge developments, it was character interaction, fine action and Toriyama's amazing talent. Even 21 years later (Today!) the manga feels fresh and the progression of events is so subtle and well crafted it still amazes me. But when you remove Toriyama from a work that's so him what you get is a soulless shell. And then there's the awful production value.

Perhaps GT had those amazing ideas because it came right after the original anime ended, huh? The same with the older movies.

[TekTheNinja]

Super at least doesn't have that godawful abomination of a story arc Black Star Dragon Ball Saga. That's make it win by default.

The Resurrection of Frieza arc is worse bay far. It's purely unwatchable.

Also for Super's Frost... GT has Pan, Giru, and Bebi.

What point are you making here exactly? I like Pan and Baby, but Giru is my most hated DB character ever.

9/10 compared to the rest of Super, not the other 3 series or other anime.

Even still, the RoF arc is a low point even for Super. Its animation would barely pass a college animation class, and the additions it made from the movie made absolutely no difference.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I think the new material has been tonally on point, that the show has done very well by its one-off episodes, and benefits from more coherently-planned stories, but the rushed production schedule is painfully apparent, and leaves me watching a Dragon Ball show not just for the short-term gags and sprouts of characterization over the fighting, but by a significant margin. So what am I doing? Enjoying a rushed production that keeps my attention in making clever use of where the Dragon Ball story left off by means of its different production methods, or lapping up anything with the Dragon Ball brand name? The same evergreen popularity that gave us Super 20 years later allows it to be done real cheap.

[Anime Kitten]

I've only watched 14 episodes of Super so far (haven't seen Resurrection 'F' yet, and I want to before Super), and it's actually pretty good. I'm not sure what could be so terrible about it. Other than the neglect of Super Saiyan 2 and surprisingly 3.

GT wasn't awful; it had awesome character design, but poor writing and the Baby Saga had a repeat plot. I like watching it, and the Shadow Dragon Saga is the best IMO, putting aside the methods of defeat.

Let's all hope the Future Trunks Saga in Super makes up for whatever's wrong with the rest, and GT gets a whole remake (slightly alter the plot, greatly alter the writing, and establish canon).