Does Toriyama remember Bra?

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu May 26, 2016 9:34 pm

Goten and Trunks should be that size till their 15 if they nature like Goku did. Maron you could argue that she's short like Kuririn and will get a growth spurt later in life.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Kaboom » Thu May 26, 2016 10:08 pm

Marron's size and appearance are only half the problem. That could be blamed on Kuririn's short genes or whatever. The main issue is that she still acts like her toddler self from the Majin Boo arc when she should be 9 or 10 years old at present. She should be doing average 10-year-old girl things like going to school, fussing over fashion, starting to like boys, etc... not still barely talking while getting carried around and spoon-fed by her mommy.

Basically, either they've set everything only a year or two after Majin Boo and thus screwed up Pan's age, which is inexcusable because her age was explicitly stated during the manga's epilogue... or they set the BoG arc 5 years post-Boo like the movie and thus have Pan's age right, but have lazily and sloppily screwed up the other kids' ages instead.
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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu May 26, 2016 10:16 pm

Kaboom wrote:Marron's size and appearance are only half the problem. That could be blamed on Kuririn's short genes or whatever. The main issue is that she still acts like her toddler self from the Majin Boo arc when she should be 9 or 10 years old at present. She should be doing average 10-year-old girl things like going to school, fussing over fashion, starting to like boys, etc... not still barely talking while getting carried around and spoon-fed by her mommy.

Basically, either they've set everything only a year or two after Majin Boo and thus screwed up Pan's age, which is inexcusable because her age was explicitly stated during the manga's epilogue... or they set the BoG arc 5 years post-Boo like the movie and thus have Pan's age right, but have lazily and sloppily screwed up the other kids' ages instead.
Or C, they dont know what to do with the kids and rather than try something new, they keep them at their most well known appearance and run with it expecting nobody to care.
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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Kaboom » Thu May 26, 2016 10:20 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Or C, they dont know what to do with the kids and rather than try something new, they keep them at their most well known appearance and run with it expecting nobody to care.
I kind of covered that option with the "lazy and sloppy" bit.

You don't set a new story in-between two parts of an existing one and not even bother to keep track of a basic thing like the characters' ages. That's just... inexcusably lame. In the grand scheme of things it's a relatively small issue, but it ends up standing out so much exactly because it's so small and easily avoidable.
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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Khin » Thu May 26, 2016 11:36 pm

If i remember correctly. Toriyama's script for episode 1 had the first episode as 6 months after Buu. So maybe that's the reason why Goten,Trunks, and Marron looks/acts pretty much the same as their Buu Arc self ?

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Avok » Fri May 27, 2016 12:00 am

They just don't care for continuity.
Goten and Trunks are literaly smaller and dumber than they were in the Boo Arc.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri May 27, 2016 12:43 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:Goten and Trunks should be that size till their 15 if they nature like Goku did. Maron you could argue that she's short like Kuririn and will get a growth spurt later in life.
That would make sense if it wasnt for Future Trunks who was noticeably older and taller when he was 14.
Khin wrote:If i remember correctly. Toriyama's script for episode 1 had the first episode as 6 months after Buu. So maybe that's the reason why Goten,Trunks, and Marron looks/acts pretty much the same as their Buu Arc self ?
That was a mistake or whatever. Nothing is confirmed, other than "the wish was 6 months after Boo and some time has passed since then".

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri May 27, 2016 12:56 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:They've already screwed up Pan's age (what happened to her being FOUR in the tournament 10 years after Buu? She is going to be either 7 or 8 when that tournament comes up now.)
We've yet to be given a clear cut time frame of how long it was between the battle with Buu and where the BoG arc picked up. All it takes is the BoG arc falling into the same time frame as that of the BoG movie, and her age would be just fine.
BoG would need to be 6 years after Buu for Pan's age to connect with End of Z timeline. It's implied to be no more than a few years after Buu, and both Goten/Trunks are toddler sized kids to this day. ;)
Pan turns 5 the same year that the end of Z story takes place, meaning that it just takes her birthday being after early May (when the Budoukai takes place) for her to be 4 years old at the time of the Budoukai, but 5 during that year. Therefore, if Battle of Gods took place during the last few months of Age 778 (Buu Saga taking place in Age 774), and it was a normal 9 month pregnancy, Pan could be born in the second half of Age 779 and still be 4 by the 28th Budoukai, which took place in Age 784, but turn 5 later that year.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Fri May 27, 2016 4:29 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:Goten and Trunks should be that size till their 15 if they nature like Goku did. Maron you could argue that she's short like Kuririn and will get a growth spurt later in life.
That would make sense if it wasnt for Future Trunks who was noticeably older and taller when he was 14.
Future Trunks looks to be a Gohan type hybrid while present Trunks and Goten are the saiyan dominant type.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Puto » Fri May 27, 2016 7:03 am

But aren't Future Trunks and Present Trunks just different timeline versions of the same person? i.e. same genes, just raised differently?
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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Cetra » Fri May 27, 2016 7:10 am

Puto wrote:But aren't Future Trunks and Present Trunks just different timeline versions of the same person? i.e. same genes, just raised differently?
They should be which is funny because the timelne split is caused by Cell arriving and not arriving and that was before Trunks even arrived in our Heroes' time ultimately questioning the birth of Trunks of our Trunks in the first place as, when it comes to that, they actually should not even have shared one and the same conceiving and it should also be questionable if Trunks would actually be born in both times. But I am fairly certain when it came to Trunks' birth Toriyama-san did not think about it occuring after the time split.
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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Fri May 27, 2016 10:04 am

Puto wrote:But aren't Future Trunks and Present Trunks just different timeline versions of the same person? i.e. same genes, just raised differently?
Well Vegeta's genws were stronger.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri May 27, 2016 10:28 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:Goten and Trunks should be that size till their 15 if they nature like Goku did. Maron you could argue that she's short like Kuririn and will get a growth spurt later in life.
That would make sense if it wasnt for Future Trunks who was noticeably older and taller when he was 14.
Future Trunks looks to be a Gohan type hybrid while present Trunks and Goten are the saiyan dominant type.
Wait, what? Where did you find this? Thad doesn't make any sense, we see Present Trunks all grown up at the ending of the manga and 14 year old Future Trunks is taller than this Super one.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by MaxZ » Fri May 27, 2016 6:46 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:I think he remembers her, he was rereading the manga before he wrote the BoG script. She will appear soon and i think this new arc would be a perfect time for that because of Future Trunks.
that could be some good stuff. it'd be interesting to see how Future Trunks would react to having an alternate timeline sister.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Fri May 27, 2016 7:08 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:
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miguelnuva1 wrote:Goten and Trunks should be that size till their 15 if they nature like Goku did. Maron you could argue that she's short like Kuririn and will get a growth spurt later in life.
That would make sense if it wasnt for Future Trunks who was noticeably older and taller when he was 14.
Future Trunks looks to be a Gohan type hybrid while present Trunks and Goten are the saiyan dominant type.
Wait, what? Where did you find this? Thad doesn't make any sense, we see Present Trunks all grown up at the ending of the manga and 14 year old Future Trunks is taller than this Super one.[/quote]

In theory Future Trunks is taller like Gohan because he is one type of saiyan hybrid.

Goten and Trunks are the other ttpe so they'll sprout at 15. The wnd of the manga they are 17 and 18.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 28, 2016 1:25 am

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Present Trunks and Future Trunks are the same, just from different timelines.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Sat May 28, 2016 2:41 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Present Trunks and Future Trunks are the same, just from different timelines.
Vegeta is different plus time travel. Alternate versions are not always 100% identical.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Videls_Panties » Sat May 28, 2016 3:15 am

I never forget my bra :P

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 28, 2016 3:21 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Present Trunks and Future Trunks are the same, just from different timelines.
Vegeta is different plus time travel. Alternate versions are not always 100% identical.
I dont know, that all sounds like headcanon to me and a poor excuse for Toei not wanting to age the kids.

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Re: Does Toriyama remember Bra?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Sat May 28, 2016 3:35 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
miguelnuva1 wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Present Trunks and Future Trunks are the same, just from different timelines.
Vegeta is different plus time travel. Alternate versions are not always 100% identical.
I dont know, that all sounds like headcanon to me and a poor excuse for Toei not wanting to age the kids.
It is headcanon. I was trying to find a reason to make since of the kids not aging.
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