DBZ: Possible crossover with Sonic?

[Kid Buu]

Sonic has always been a series of extremes, ranging from good to bad. Even during the Mega Drive era, games like Spinball and Drift were getting mixed reception among fans. Even some fans aren't too lukewarm on CD. From the recent gen, I enjoyed Colors and Generations, so I haven't written the series completely off yet. Heck, I actually like the Sonic Boom TV show.

Though I'm not someone who believes in the whole franchise is tainted. Even if Toriyama/Toei choose to release a million DB Minuses or Episode of Bardocks, it wouldn't destroy my DB fandom, since it's not like it would erase the 42 manga volumes out of existence.

[B]

The second generation appeal of Sonic, I believe, is that it's essentially action-adventure Looney Tunes(if I had bothered to take that survey, Looney Tunes would have been the only one I'd hit "interested" in); notably a completely different wave of fans than the day-ones of the Genesis age. I was born in '92 and had no older siblings, so I didn't get to those games in time. I'd say the large overlap with DB fans(and if we're talking the West, the clear majority is dub fans) comes from kids cutting their teeth on Adventure DX and Adventure 2: Battle, moving forward into the more story-oriented games, combined with the minute superficial similarities. Dragon Ball was finishing up its Toonami run and the wave of Budokai video games was hitting just as modern-era Sonic was pumping out its hits. It's all in the timing.

Of course, both series have just steamrolled past their sell-by dates and just kind of exist simply because 1) who the hell remembers a world where DB and Sonic weren't around?, and 2) money. I'm open the idea of me just being unimaginative, but what is going to happen in a DB/Sonic crossover that would be of any real interest to anyone? The best I can surmise is something woefully inconsequential like Cross Epoch, which is, what, less than 15 pages of DB and One Piece characters just standing next to each other? It's an alternate world where everybody knows each other and Goku and Luffy just hang out. Toriyama and Oda didn't bother crafting any type of real story for that thing because how the hell could you? I see the same problems arising with this.

[TheGreatness25]

Made this a little while ago.



It would never work, but the art styles could kinda work. I remember playing the classic Sega Genesis Sonic games, pretending that Sonic is a character from Dragon Ball (that I made up), conquering the planets (levels) that he's on. Yeah... the 10 year old mind works in strange ways.

I think that Sonic would fit in a lot better with a series like Pokemon. I mean Sonic could actually be a Pokemon lol

[dbzfan7]

The second generation appeal of Sonic, I believe, is that it's essentially action-adventure Looney Tunes(if I had bothered to take that survey, Looney Tunes would have been the only one I'd hit "interested" in); notably a completely different wave of fans than the day-ones of the Genesis age.

Eh I wouldn't lump it in with Looney Tunes. Looney Tunes actually believe in their world, and are clever. The new Sonic is a very light action/adventure series, that focus more on saturday morning sitcom "comedy". They'd need to be put with other people who absolutely adore their world, or other cynics. Kinda like how Zootopia put an optimist with a pessimist, when the story originally was gonna be about the pessimist. Though I don't want to go too much into quality since this isn't entirely about Sonic's standard. It's about this idea of a crossover. Otherwise I could write an entire essay on Sonic's identity crisis.

Gameplay wise there's just not really much that I think that can be done. I don't think the two series mix. An animated flick is basically the best of what I can see coming out of some crossover, but right now I don't think the characters compliment each other at all for the most part.

Sonic and Goku would not at all hit if off. One's a self absorbed douchehog, and the other is a giddy man child always training and looking for the next fight. Sonic would be sleeping for the billionth time while Goku is training somewhere else. Old Sonic would have hit it off, but not current. Vegeta is a reformed changed man, and so putting him with Shadow would seem like a joke. Especially since his character is essentially edgy meme's personified now. Gohan and Tails are the only 2 who I feel would have any chemistry. A scholar learning alongside a genius. Both polite. Upbeat. I think they'd make a great pair and compliment each other. Knuckles is too retarded to be around Piccolo's cool composed demeanor. It'd be like having Emperor Pilaf be paired up with Piccolo, but without the context of Pilaf being his disposable underling. Chi Chi and Amy don't have much going for them either. One's her own character trope of naggy yelly wife, and the other love sick. I could picture one shtick between them, but it'd be an annoying one. Eggman and Pilaf I take it back, are actually two who I can see working together. So that makes 2. They're both big losers who are really really shit at their jobs. Both villains no one can take seriously anymore, and yet won't stop being nuisances. Though current Eggman would just end up teaming up with the good guys again, or continue being EggNewMan.

[MetaMoss]

Folks here seems to be taking this a little to seriously. This isn't even a poll, rather a survey to gauge interest. Sega will take the results of this survey and may or may not act on those results, never mind the other companies they would have to deal with. If something comes from this survey, we won't see it for a least a year (and that is GENEROUS), more likely a few.

Now, would I like such a crossover? I think I would only if it had a goofy tone (à la Cross Epoch), but considering both Dragon Ball and Sonic seemed to have greater fame in the West for their "edgy" sides, I'm not too optimistic. Then again, more recent installments of both have been much more willing to bring on the humor, so maybe there is hope.

[Super Sonic]

I mean absolutely no offense, but it does definitely seem at times like you can't really wrap your head around things that people like if it's something that came after your own time as a youth.

Completely incorrect. There's any number of immensely major kids' properties from well within my own time as a youth (Power Rangers, Transformers, G.I. Joe, anything Ninja Turtles that's outside the Mirage comics, etc.) that are complete and utter garbage: they were crap back then to me when I was a kid, and that hasn't changed one bit with time.

Umm, where you a genius prodigy who finished college at 10? Wondering as G.I. Joe and Transformers ended in 1987, thus wouldn't you have been around 4 when they ended? You also gotta admit a lot of the Pink and Yellow Rangers were pretty.

Will say a lot of the music from the later games were pretty awesome. "Live and Learn", "Open Your Heart", etc "City Escape" could kinda work with DB maybe more than an actual crossover.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

I wouldn't want it to be perfectly honest. I stopped being a fan of Sonic last year and it was the best decision I ever made. The series has nothing going for it anymore and it's just chugging on hoping that some concept works when most if not all of them don't. Plus, after Sonic Boom, I felt embarrassed to be a fan of the series because of the travesty that it was and by the fact that people were being looked down upon for being Sonic fans. I was a fan of the series for 16 years at that point and I couldn't believe the amount of hatred and bitterness that was present in this series that I used to love but, as of when Fire and Ice was announced, now feel nothing for. Dragon Ball doesn't need to be tainted with Sonic's lingering negativity.

[Anime Kitten]

Dragon Ball doesn't need to be tainted with Sonic's lingering negativity.

Maybe not Sonic's, but it's own? Let me direct you to how GT was received.

[Dbzfan94]

Dragon Ball doesn't need to be tainted with Sonic's lingering negativity.

Maybe not Sonic's, but it's own? Let me direct you to how GT was received.

a lot of fans have been seeing GT in a different more positive light with their opinions of Super, so I guess that counts for something

[dbzfan7]

Dragon Ball doesn't need to be tainted with Sonic's lingering negativity.

Maybe not Sonic's, but it's own? Let me direct you to how GT was received.

Not even close to Sonic's. Not even close. To this day GT is still around and acknowledged. It's still used in several games. Compare that to Sonic 06 which is used as non stop riffing material by the officials themselves, and how they try to ignore it ever existed. It's not even a contest.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Dragon Ball doesn't need to be tainted with Sonic's lingering negativity.

Maybe not Sonic's, but it's own? Let me direct you to how GT was received.

You have a point but the amount of negativity and hatred in the Sonic franchise is nothing compared to whatever negativity is in the Dragon Ball franchise. I was on the Sonic Stadium forums when early copies of Boom on Wii U came out which is when the glitches started to surface all way to when the game actually came out and that was when I realized how much negativity is around the Sonic series in terms of everything. DB's negativity is NOWHERE near Sonic's.

[Anime Kitten]

Dbzfan94, dbzfan7, & VejituhTheWarriorGuy:

Read through this thread for a little bit and you'll see what I mean:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=33010

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Dbzfan94, dbzfan7, & VejituhTheWarriorGuy:

Read through this thread for a little bit and you'll see what I mean:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=33010

I've been around the Kanzenshuu forums long enough to get what you're trying to say but you should look at the Sonic Stadium forums and then you'll see what I mean.

[dbzfan7]

Dbzfan94, dbzfan7, & VejituhTheWarriorGuy:

Read through this thread for a little bit and you'll see what I mean:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=33010

You're using one forum as an absolute? That is not at all a good idea. That's a minority versus the entire audience. Like I said if GT was so hated and so taboo, it'd be purposely scraped away into the anals of history. They still reckognize and use GT to this day. Sonic officials literally joke about and hide away Sonic 06. The Sonic community is notoriously the worst community of all. Beating out Bronies, FNAF, Undertale, etc. It's not even a contest. I've been on both sides, and I know. I'm not saying GT was fondly remembered, but it still being used even today is a testament.

[B]

The 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog had appropriate representation in Generations, most of the Sonic party games or spin-offs feature Silver the Hedgehog, and even Mephiles the Dark shows up in Sonic Runners. Compare that to GT, which gets shoved in Heroes all the time, and I don't really see much of a difference. SEGA and Sonic Team definitely don't pretend they didn't make that game.

And GT being "remembered and loved" is a huge stretch.

[dbzfan7]

The 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog had appropriate representation in Generations, most of the Sonic party games or spin-offs feature Silver the Hedgehog, and even Mephiles the Dark shows up in Sonic Runners. Compare that to GT, which gets shoved in Heroes all the time, and I don't really see much of a difference. SEGA and Sonic Team definitely don't pretend they didn't make that game.

And GT being "remembered and loved" is a huge stretch.

I never said loved. Remembered for sure though. I said not as taboo as one thinks as it's not treated as a cancer by the officials. If you don't believe me, you should see what they say and tweet about it. They constantly mock Sonic 06, even going as far during their panel of history to skip over Sonic 06 as a joke. Like it never happened. I was quite shocked at some of the representation it got, but it is not at all looked at in a positive light by the officials.

[Anime Kitten]

You're using one forum as an absolute? That is not at all a good idea.

It was an example, not an absolute.

I think if Sonic still has fans, they're gonna keep going with it. Games or not. I'm really, REALLY hoping for a GT remake, so everyone can stop whining how bad it is (NO I am not referring to anyone on this topic).

[dbzfan7]

You're using one forum as an absolute? That is not at all a good idea.

It was an example, not an absolute.

I think if Sonic still has fans, they're gonna keep going with it. Games or not. I'm really, REALLY hoping for a GT remake, so everyone can stop whining how bad it is (NO I am not referring to anyone on this topic).

Course they are. Sonic is such a big cash cow there's no way they'd stop. But the sales don't lie. It's gone down and down the tubes for years. It's only been getting worse for the games. I don't think GT needs a remake as it's not even as bad as it's made out to be. Super is just as looney and batshit crazy as GT. This isn't a GT thread so I do not want to ignite another topic on it.

[Kid Buu]

Like I said, the Sonic IP has always been an IP of extreme quality variation. Titles like Spinball, 3D Blast, and R were met with mixed reception among fans when they came out. Trust me, I was there.

GT apparently didn't do too well in Japan, but it seemed to do better here in the States.

[Zephyr]

The 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog had appropriate representation in Generations, most of the Sonic party games or spin-offs feature Silver the Hedgehog, and even Mephiles the Dark shows up in Sonic Runners. Compare that to GT, which gets shoved in Heroes all the time, and I don't really see much of a difference. SEGA and Sonic Team definitely don't pretend they didn't make that game.

And GT being "remembered and loved" is a huge stretch.

I never said loved. Remembered for sure though. I said not as taboo as one thinks as it's not treated as a cancer by the officials. If you don't believe me, you should see what they say and tweet about it. They constantly mock Sonic 06, even going as far during their panel of history to skip over Sonic 06 as a joke. Like it never happened. I was quite shocked at some of the representation it got, but it is not at all looked at in a positive light by the officials.

I think that it's pretty big of Sega and Sonic Team that they're okay with laughing about a past mistake like that. Much better than them forcing Aaron to praise the game every time it comes up, or something like that.