Your Problem(s) with DragonBall Super

[Kakarotto92]

if GT had his name on it, it wouldn't get nearly as much hate as it does.

I doubt that.

Also, Boo arc has AT's name on it yet it gets tons of criticism from a part of the fanbase.

And let's not even talk about DB Minus.

[ryou766]

Also, Boo arc has AT's name on it yet it gets tons of criticism from a part of the fanbase.

Not as much criticism Super has been receiving since its debut, I believe.

[Kakarotto92]

Also, Boo arc has AT's name on it yet it gets tons of criticism from a part of the fanbase.

Not as much criticism Super has been receiving since its debut, I believe.

That wasn't my point though.

[sintzu]

Boo arc has AT's name on it yet it gets tons of criticism from a part of the fanbase.

And let's not even talk about DB Minus.

Super has also been criticized by some fans but the ones who defend everything about it outweigh them, just go to youtube or the episode topics we have here and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying you have to hate everything about it but you shouldn't defend its shortcomings just because it has Toriyama or Dragon Ball's name on it.

Minus isn't the best example considering how bad it is, that would be like saying a batman fanboy isn't a fanboy because he doesn't like the 97 batman & robin movie.

[DBZAOTA482]

Oh... don't get me started. PLEASE!!!

[ryou766]

Minus isn't the best example considering how bad it is

I tend to forget about Minus' existence until it's brought up in a conversation.

[kinisking]

Boo arc has AT's name on it yet it gets tons of criticism from a part of the fanbase.

And let's not even talk about DB Minus.

Super has also been criticized by some fans but the ones who defend everything about it outweigh them, just go to youtube or the episode topics we have here and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying you have to hate everything about it but you shouldn't defend its shortcomings just because it has Toriyama or Dragon Ball's name on it.

Minus isn't the best example considering how bad it is, that would be like saying a batman fanboy isn't a fanboy because he doesn't like the 97 batman & robin movie.

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

[sintzu]

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

I know they do but it more than likely has to do with it's name or who's name it has attached to it rather than the show itself.

[kinisking]

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

I know they do but it more than likely has to do with it's name or who's name it has attached to it rather than the show itself.

You have no evidence of this though. This is just something that people who don't like Super like to say so that their opinions look more credible while making opposite opinions look less credible.

[TekTheNinja]

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

I know they do but it more than likely has to do with it's name or who's name it has attached to it rather than the show itself.

You have no evidence of this though. This is just something that people who don't like Super like to say so that their opinions look more credible while making opposite opinions look less credible.

It's a simple deduction. Super has pretty much all the same problems as GT, but unlike GT it doesn't get to much hate from the core fanbase. Super has Toriyama in on it, but GT did not for the most part.

[sintzu]

This is just something that people who don't like Super like to say so that their opinions look more credible.

It has nothing to do with not liking it because I do like it but I'm not going to defend its shortcomings because it's DB or because it has Toriyama's name on it.

Super has so much potential to be a great show but for some reason a good amount of fans don't see that and instead just say that we should be happy we're getting more DB from Toriyama regardless of its quality.

If a popular game developer released an incomplete game, are you going to say we should be happy we got a game from them even though you know it could've been 100× better if they took their time with it ? of course not.

[PsionicWarrior]

Criticism from the fanbase is good and sometimes fanrage completely justified.

Super has its shortcomings but I still consider it largely superior to GT.

[Kakarotto92]

Super has also been criticized by some fans but the ones who defend everything about it outweigh them, just go to youtube or the episode topics we have here and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm not saying you have to hate everything about it but you shouldn't defend its shortcomings just because it has Toriyama or Dragon Ball's name on it.

You mean the youtube which is filled with disgusting comments calling Toriyama senile and that he should retire?

Youtube is a DB Super bashfest. Even the best excerpts of the show which have nothing wrong with them are flooded with negative comments, whining and nit-picking.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from. The fan reception to Super has been mixed at best. Same for BoG and FnF movies.

Minus isn't the best example considering how bad it is

It's a perfect example actually. It's an official prequel written and drawn by the original author yet it's loathed my the majority of the fanbase. It demolishes your argument of how Toriyama's involvement in a project automatically makes fans have a positive bias in their judgement of said product.

that would be like saying a batman fanboy isn't a fanboy because he doesn't like the 97 batman & robin movie.

No offense but that comparison makes zero sense.

[DHM211]

My main problems:
- The soundtrack is nothing special.
- Art/Animation at times varies from bad to horrendous.
- The color palette is a little too greenish at times.
- Episodes 3 - 27.
- The lack of life threatening situations(this seems to be changing with the Goku Black arc).

[Kuririn Fan]

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

I know they do but it more than likely has to do with it's name or who's name it has attached to it rather than the show itself.

No, it doesn't. Stop using that excuse because you like GT.
GT is bad, doesn't matter who made it.
Red Ribbon Army is a great arc, done by Toriyama, and people usually underrate it or don't like it. Same with Boo arc, it's my favorite, but it has quite a number of haters.
RoF isn't very liked when you take out the entertaining factor and Minus is straight up garbage.
On the other hand, all the non-canon movies by Toei are loved by fans. So your theory doesn't really work.

[sintzu]

No, it doesn't. Stop using that excuse because you like GT.

From the arcs topic :

In terms of GT I think Baby was overall good, Super #17 and the shadow dragons were wasted potential & the Black star search is one of the worst things I've ever seen.

[Kaboom]

Is this argument really necessary?



Anyway, I think what bugs me most about Super and cements its position as an inconsequential side-story in my "head canon" is the utter disregard for continuity. You can't set a new story in-between two portions of an existing one and not pay any attention to what happens before and after.

There's the problems with some characters' ages, of course. Goten and Trunks aren't aging even though we know what Trunks should look like at 14 or so, Marron has barely 3 years left to jump directly from toddler to teenager, there should really be some sign of Bra's existence by this point, and now there's the new mess with Future Mai. But even more important is how at least two things from the end of the manga have been blatantly contradicted. 1) Goku has visited Bulma less than 5 years before the ending, and 2) Goku has spilled all the beans about Oob to Piccolo and Vegeta despite it coming to a surprise to the latter at the tournament later. Neither of these things had to happen one bit, and have just caused inconsistency for no good reason. Same with the age problems.

I suspect it's such a big deal and deal-killer to me because I'm kind of a writer myself. Here I am, trying extremely hard to keep all my ducks in a row and not contradict things for just a fanfiction that will probably never be completed, and yet the clods who work on an actual official new series can't even be bothered to flip open a guidebook timeline or double-check the manga's ending to keep basic things like character ages correct. It seems downright inexcusable.

[Anime Kitten]

Maybe....maybe.... it's because they like it ! :O

I know they do but it more than likely has to do with it's name or who's name it has attached to it rather than the show itself.

No, it doesn't. Stop using that excuse because you like GT.
GT is bad, doesn't matter who made it.
Red Ribbon Army is a great arc, done by Toriyama, and people usually underrate it or don't like it. Same with Boo arc, it's my favorite, but it has quite a number of haters.
RoF isn't very liked when you take out the entertaining factor and Minus is straight up garbage.
On the other hand, all the non-canon movies by Toei are loved by fans. So your theory doesn't really work.

These statements are pure opinion. "GT is bad," "Red Ribbon Army is a great arc," I mean, really? Treating them as fact?

The main problems I have are overpowering characters like the Omni-King, who, from what I heard, has the same personality as Beerus (destroyed 6 Universes because he got slightly offended? REALLY?).

[namekiansaiyan]

Is this argument really necessary?



Anyway, I think what bugs me most about Super and cements its position as an inconsequential side-story in my "head canon" is the utter disregard for continuity. You can't set a new story in-between two portions of an existing one and not pay any attention to what happens before and after.

There's the problems with some characters' ages, of course. Goten and Trunks aren't aging even though we know what Trunks should look like at 14 or so, Marron has barely 3 years left to jump directly from toddler to teenager, there should really be some sign of Bra's existence by this point, and now there's the new mess with Future Mai. But even more important is how at least two things from the end of the manga have been blatantly contradicted. 1) Goku has visited Bulma less than 5 years before the ending, and 2) Goku has spilled all the beans about Oob to Piccolo and Vegeta despite it coming to a surprise to the latter at the tournament later. Neither of these things had to happen one bit, and have just caused inconsistency for no good reason. Same with the age problems.

I suspect it's such a big deal and deal-killer to me because I'm kind of a writer myself. Here I am, trying extremely hard to keep all my ducks in a row and not contradict things for just a fanfiction that will probably never be completed, and yet the clods who work on an actual official new series can't even be bothered to flip open a guidebook timeline or double-check the manga's ending to keep basic things like character ages correct. It seems downright inexcusable.

Toriyama might change the original ending so then everything will make sense.

[sintzu]

Toriyama might change the original ending so then everything will make sense.

We know Uub is still taken into account so It won't be a complete change but I think certain elements will be changed like his age or maybe Goku will train him before the tournament and we'll get a longer one.