DBZ: Possible crossover with Sonic?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Hey, a furry is the Earth's king after all. It's way too late to stop them.

[floofychan333]

Hey, a furry is the Earth's king after all. It's way too late to stop them.

I'm pretty sure King Furry was made up before the furry fandom even existed. Also, thank Kami that he wasn't an inspiration for the fandom, as it began before DB was dubbed into English.

[Nejishiki]

If Fred Patten is to be believed, the fandom was present as early as the 1980s. Of course, that doesn't mean Toriyama was aware of them, but I just wanted to address when they were first 'active', so to speak.

[Bansho64]

One thing I can say is that fans absolutely LOVE to make combinations with Sonic and Dragon Ball. I just saw this and I'm surprised there are so many Sonic/DBZ flash animations.

[NothiaBlue]

That'd be fun to see... Honestly, I know one way to compare Sonic and Goku, and it's that they're not typical heroes if you look deep enough. Goku's interested in fighting strong people, and many of these guys end up being bad and threatening the ones he loves or the world/universe. Sonic's someone who loves adventure; he fights Eggman because it's fun and in the end, if truly necessary he'll play the bad guy (world has to end? I'll let it happen, then.). Neither fight as some hero of justice and they're both selfish when it comes to their interests. A little heroic stuff plays in, but it's not the main motive.

So anything that involves them interacting means something's threatening their world and must be really fun to fight and strong to boot.

Honestly, I feel that the people who should write that crossover are the guys who wrote Secret Rings and Black Knight; they explored Sonic's character in ways not done before and ways that haven't been done since, and they're well written games. They can definitely pull off a serious mood and add in some humor if desired. Griff and Pontac, however, should not write it... Things like this NEED character interaction to be interesting. So good writing and a good understanding of their characters is really important, not someone who read a Wikipedia article.

As someone who likes both, I have to say I would like to see this happen.

[8000 Saiyan]

I wouldn't want a DBZ crossover with Sonic. I don't think it'd work. Besides, Sonic is basically known for its inconsistency in quality in terms of story. In my personal opinion, the stories in the games are lackluster at best, even the Storybook stories and Unleashed (which have some fine moments). I don't think Dragon Ball ever had the inconsistency that Sonic when it comes to writing quality.

[TheGreatness25]

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I don't know, I like it.

I don't know anything about Sonic past the games. I never really watched Sonic X, although I know it's got something to do with him going into the "real" world. I enjoyed that old Sonic cartoon back in the day (not Underground), but it's not like I ever really knew it had a real story.

I think that fans' disdain for Sonic mythos is the same as for Broly -- the Sonic and Broly fans turned off everyone else from how they act regarding their fandom.

I don't think Sonic would work with "Dragon Ball Z" characters, but in Dragon Ball? Why not? It could be a cute little crossover. It's not like Sonic is worse than some of the weird creatures that exist in Dragon World.

[8000 Saiyan]

I think that fans' disdain for Sonic mythos...

I seriously don't know how Sonic fans can tolerate inconsistency in Sonic's lore.

[TheGreatness25]

I seriously don't know how Sonic fans can tolerate inconsistency in Sonic's lore.

I don't know enough about Sonic's lore to figure out where the "inconsistencies" come from. They're video games; that's how Sonic started. What, that it has all these different series? What about Street Fighter? Does Street Fighter not have the same thing? I feel like it's on the same plane as someone sitting there trying to piece together the Adam West, Tim Burton, and Christopher Nolan Batman movies; it's not going to happen. So if the "inconsistency" comes from the fact that over time, different material came out, then that's just silly. There are many properties out there that are not like Dragon Ball, meaning one main story. If anything, I'd say that the Sonic 1-4 games are the main story. Everything else is a "side story."

[8000 Saiyan]

I don't know enough about Sonic's lore to figure out where the "inconsistencies" come from.

Inept writers and story editors. I don't blame people who don't want stories in Sonic games.

[TheGreatness25]

Yeah but where? In games 1-4? In the later games? In the series? Again, that's like finding lore in Street Fighter where there are five video games (let's face it, with no real story), two live action movies (brutal), a live action series (pretty awesome), a U.S. made series (garbage), a Japanese made series (garbage again), and three (or four) anime movies, all with different storylines. So is that somehow different from Sonic? Yeah it might be all over the place, but if it's not all over the place in one particular series (game series, TV series, etc.), then they can't really say that it's inconsistent.

And how would the Sonic inconsistencies interfere with a Dragon Ball crossover? Sonic could be done fresh from scratch.

[miguelnuva1]

As a sonic fan I can say that there are no major inconsistencies in the sonic storyline.

[8000 Saiyan]

Yeah but where? In games 1-4? In the later games? In the series? Again, that's like finding lore in Street Fighter where there are five video games (let's face it, with no real story), two live action movies (brutal), a live action series (pretty awesome), a U.S. made series (garbage), a Japanese made series (garbage again), and three (or four) anime movies, all with different storylines. So is that somehow different from Sonic? Yeah it might be all over the place, but if it's not all over the place in one particular series (game series, TV series, etc.), then they can't really say that it's inconsistent.

And how would the Sonic inconsistencies interfere with a Dragon Ball crossover? Sonic could be done fresh from scratch.

You can find the inconsistency of Sonic's lore and story in the later games. The respective planet maps in Shadow and Unleashed are completely different. The Genesis games don't have any inconsistency whatsoever. And I am well aware that Street Fighter doesn't have any real lore.

I don't think Sonic inconsistencies would interfere with a Dragon Ball crossover in any way. I was just comparing Sonic's writing quality to Dragon Ball's.

[miguelnuva1]

Yeah but where? In games 1-4? In the later games? In the series? Again, that's like finding lore in Street Fighter where there are five video games (let's face it, with no real story), two live action movies (brutal), a live action series (pretty awesome), a U.S. made series (garbage), a Japanese made series (garbage again), and three (or four) anime movies, all with different storylines. So is that somehow different from Sonic? Yeah it might be all over the place, but if it's not all over the place in one particular series (game series, TV series, etc.), then they can't really say that it's inconsistent.

And how would the Sonic inconsistencies interfere with a Dragon Ball crossover? Sonic could be done fresh from scratch.

You can find the inconsistency of Sonic's lore and story in the later games. The respective planet maps in Shadow and Unleashed are completely different. The Genesis games don't have any inconsistency whatsoever. And I am well aware that Street Fighter doesn't have any real lore.

I don't think Sonic inconsistencies would interfere with a Dragon Ball crossover in any way. I was just comparing Sonic's writing quality to Dragon Ball's.

Shadow doesn't have a planet map it simply has different levels.

[Bansho64]

As a sonic fan I can say that there are no major inconsistencies in the sonic storyline.

I'd vouch for this as well. Dragon Ball's done way worse stuff. Worse than 06.

[Anime Kitten]

Ugh, I'm embarrassed at my posts in this thread...

Anyhow, the thing is, Sonic doesn't have an overarching storyline. The only games that you could consider relevant are Sonic the Hedgehog, 2, CD, 3, Knuckles, and 4. The Adventure games, too, if you want. Nothing else impacted the story, really. I'd still love a DBZ crossover, though. If we go into BOG, we could get Super Sonic God and finally say, "Hey, Sonic's a god now!"

[8000 Saiyan]

Shadow doesn't have a planet map it simply has different levels.

In the first G.U.N. HQ sequence, you can see a map of the planet on the screen.

As a sonic fan I can say that there are no major inconsistencies in the sonic storyline.

I'd vouch for this as well. Dragon Ball's done way worse stuff. Worse than 06.

God, Sonic 06's plot is just terrible. The damn Sonic characters can time travel at will, but are so stupid to realize that just for plot convenience. And Elise is just annoying, annoying on the same level as Chris from Sonic X. If Mephiles wanted to release Iblis, then why the hell didn't he kill her instead of Sonic? Oh yeah, and that stupid kiss.

The redeeming value was Shadow. They should have called the game Shadow the Hedgehog 2 and Silver, since Sonic has little relevance in the main plot other than act like Mario.

[miguelnuva1]

Ugh, I'm embarrassed at my posts in this thread...

Anyhow, the thing is, Sonic doesn't have an overarching storyline. The only games that you could consider relevant are Sonic the Hedgehog, 2, CD, 3, Knuckles, and 4. The Adventure games, too, if you want. Nothing else impacted the story, really. I'd still love a DBZ crossover, though. If we go into BOG, we could get Super Sonic God and finally say, "Hey, Sonic's a god now!"

Sonic's story line goes

Sonic 1

Sonic CD

Death Egg saga
-Sonic 2
-Sonic 3
Sonic and Knuckles

Sonic 4
-part 1
-part 2

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2
Sonic Heroes

Sonic Unleashed
Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations

Lost world and some of the gameboy games might be canon but I haven't played those and haven't followed since Generations.

Shadow doesn't have a planet map it simply has different levels.

In the first G.U.N. HQ sequence, you can see a map of the planet on the screen.

As a sonic fan I can say that there are no major inconsistencies in the sonic storyline.

I'd vouch for this as well. Dragon Ball's done way worse stuff. Worse than 06.

God, Sonic 06's plot is just terrible. The damn Sonic characters can time travel at will, but are so stupid to realize that just for plot convenience. And Elise is just annoying, annoying on the same level as Chris from Sonic X. If Mephiles wanted to release Iblis, then why the hell didn't he kill her instead of Sonic? Oh yeah, and that stupid kiss.

The redeeming value was Shadow. They should have called the game Shadow the Hedgehog 2 and Silver, since Sonic has little relevance in the main plot other than act like Mario.

1. So a retcon?

2. Sonic 06's plot was so bad it retcon'ed itself out of existence but to clear up a few things.

You need two chaos emeralds and two people using Chaos control to time travel, Chaos control was already control over time when it was introduced. As for Elise she was way less annoying then Chris. Elise was simply a damsel in distress, Chris actually altered parts of Sonic games to give himself spotlight. And finally killing Elise would have killed Iblis, he needed Elise to cry to free Iblis.

[8000 Saiyan]

And finally killing Elise would have killed Iblis, he needed Elise to cry to free Iblis.

Iblis wouldn't have been killed, he's immortal. When the Egg Carrier crashed, Eggman and Elise were killed and Iblis was freed.

[Desassina]

I mean, is this what you want? Super Sonic God Super Saiyan 3.

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