Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
ABED wrote:I think one of us should create another thread because it's off topic but a very interesting issue.
I nominate you.
You bastard
Just in case it's not clear, I was being playful.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
sintzu wrote:I'm not sure where you'll put it so could you put the link here when you're done ?
It's in "General Franchise Discussion". You'll find it without trouble.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
I also like that GT had fight scenes happen in a city. I think having a more urban feel with the fight scenes in areas with large buildings was always cool to watch. Super 17 saga and the Shadow Dragon arc did had a lot of fight scenes happen in cities and I hope Super will have those in the near future.
Using Pan instead of Uub. Pan brought out a protective familial element in Goku that was interesting.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
As ungodly horrendous as that look is, lets not be too disingenuous about it: it lasts a grand total of I think like two episodes or thereabouts at most.
Vegeta spends the VAST overwhelming majority of his screentime in GT looking like this:
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Yeah, the biker punk look fits him. I don't know if this is substantiated by any official source, but I remember reading somewhere that Vegeta was partly playing to how Japanese people viewed Americans. I know the naming conventions for his attacks reflect that, and this look takes that a good step further.
Gotta admit though, I love the stache (but not the hair it was paired with).
Vegeta's porn stache is the shit, it was the shit back in 1997 and it will remain so until the end of time.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:I'd probably dislike Goku being turned into a kid if he wasn't actually written more mature than any basically anything else. In GT, he's actually shown giving a damn about the Earth and his closest companions and when Baby beats him, he's not "Man! This guys so strong!". Instead, he feels sad and disappointed this guys going to take over his world and he can't do a damn thing about it.
Some might say this is Goku being written out of character but given how Goku's character does nothing but fuck all with a healthy dose of fuck yourself after Namek, I'll take this Goku's who's somewhat wizened up. Even Super, in a rare moment of good writing, showed Goku is capable of giving a damn about something other than fighting when he gets sick and has to bond with Pan.
I completely agree. Goku in GT had his competence and self-awareness intact despite being a kid (which was clearly just intended to be superficial) and that as a SS4 he had the maturity to recognize evil intentions and did make up for his neglect of Goten and abuse of Gohan with Pan. I liked that GT put him in more of a solo-veteran role for Pan, and for the series which I had no actual problem with.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
Goku in GT had his competence and self-awareness intact despite being a kid (which was clearly just intended to be superficial) and that as a SS4 he had the maturity to recognize evil intentions and did make up for his neglect of Goten and abuse of Gohan with Pan. I liked that GT put him in more of a solo-veteran role for Pan, and for the series which I had no actual problem with.
Of course he had his self awareness. He's still himself, just with his younger body. And when in the world did he abuse Gohan?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Goku in GT had his competence and self-awareness intact despite being a kid (which was clearly just intended to be superficial) and that as a SS4 he had the maturity to recognize evil intentions and did make up for his neglect of Goten and abuse of Gohan with Pan. I liked that GT put him in more of a solo-veteran role for Pan, and for the series which I had no actual problem with.
Of course he had his self awareness. He's still himself, just with his younger body. And when in the world did he abuse Gohan?
Anime Kitten wrote:
ABED wrote:Using Pan instead of Uub. Pan brought out a protective familial element in Goku that was interesting.
Ah, you're right. I never thought of it that way. Uub wasn't overly appealing to me anyway.
Oob is a homewrecking Gohan/Nam rip-off mohawk-boy.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
ABED wrote:Using Pan instead of Uub. Pan brought out a protective familial element in Goku that was interesting.
Ah, you're right. I never thought of it that way. Uub wasn't overly appealing to me anyway.
Oob is a homewrecking Gohan/Nam rip-off mohawk-boy.
Goku chose him. Not the other way around.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
The Music was good, I'll never knock GT it's music. I did love all the opening and ending themes too, even if I consider Dan Dan more a Movie song than a GT song lol.
Also, I do commend them for the thought behind trying to bring a bit of the humor and fun of DB back instead of just being all action. DB had a fun mix, and it tipped more and more in "Action"s favor as time went on. I did appreciate the idea behind bringing some of that back...
The execution left something to be desired... that being... literally a do-over... turning Goku back into a kid and making the first arc a hunt for Dragon Balls....
"FUNi should take [DBZ] out behind the woodshed, give it one last treat, then blow its f%#@$ng brains out before it attacks the baby again." ~Rocketman