Question about last fight with Kid Buu

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:08 am

You blame me for replying with "nope" ? Well I would actually reply with something else besides that if they would actually backup their posts .
And I`m not really the one who started it since they call me "troll" and compare me to .. Hitler ?! lol

lets go swimming · Post by **lets go swimming** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:41 pm

You guys do have mods on this forum right? Can't you just ban this guy?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:43 pm

Magneto wrote:You blame me for replying with "nope" ?

Well, a reason would be nice.

I mean, Gohan could lay the royal smackdown on Boo when he fought him, and when Goku and Vegeta fought him in the Kaioshin Realm, Boo, while in a much more aggressive state, was no stronger than he was before, and was arguably weaker, based on Goku and Vegeta's confidence in their ability to fight him. Ergo, had Gohan been there with Goku and Vegeta, he would have been able to deal with Boo.

What reason have you to think otherwise, might I ask?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:42 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:
Magneto wrote:You blame me for replying with "nope" ?
Well, a reason would be nice.

I mean, Gohan could lay the royal smackdown on Boo when he fought him, and when Goku and Vegeta fought him in the Kaioshin Realm, Boo, while in a much more aggressive state, was no stronger than he was before, and was arguably weaker, based on Goku and Vegeta's confidence in their ability to fight him. Ergo, had Gohan been there with Goku and Vegeta, he would have been able to deal with Boo.

What reason have you to think otherwise, might I ask?

Can we really just not do this here? We have one thread with 9 pages of this guy arguing with others and I just hate it, hate it so much. I was a douche, but a douche with a reason.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:40 pm

Well, the topic question has been answered. Kaioshin didn't have enough ki left to teleport again.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:31 pm

Magneto wrote:You blame me for replying with "nope" ? Well I would actually reply with something else besides that if they would actually backup their posts .
And I`m not really the one who started it since they call me "troll" and compare me to .. Hitler ?! lol

lolz yeah it's OK cuz you didnt start it!

My comments and suggestions towards you are not solely based on this thread, exclusively. I'd highly suggest you take heed of what was mentioned to you. And let's not be blind... I singled out someone else breaking the rules.

Back to the topic at hand, please, as The Lecherous Muten Roshi has attempted. Thanks.

raz1337 · Post by **raz1337** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:10 am

Maybe I'm wrong, but when Dende heals someone, that restores their health, not their energy, or both? Those are 2 different things, at least I thought.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:43 am

raz1337 wrote:Maybe I'm wrong, but when Dende heals someone, that restores their health, not their energy, or both? Those are 2 different things, at least I thought.

Well, it continuously brought the warriors Ki back to full, or higher in the case of the Saiyans (Gohan and Vegeta) so, um...

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:39 am

That's strange because I didn't always know that teleportation required energy, not just concentration. Even though it was a movie: Goku teleported the last second in movie 8 and he seemed to have almost no energy left. Is Kibito's method different from this?
-Rick

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:46 am

I believe it is. Goku's method, learned from the people of Yardrat, requires him to find ki signatures first, then he can teleport to the location of one that he detects.

Kaioshin, on the other hand, can Teleport to any location on any planet. He needs no one else to be there for him to go there. Perhaps this requires more energy? Or perhaps he just weakens from it faster than Goku, because Goku is much more powerful?

That is the limitation of Goku's Teleportation though, someone else has to be there for him to "Lock on to" so to speak.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:41 pm

Akira wrote:That is the limitation of Goku's Teleportation though, someone else has to be there for him to "Lock on to" so to speak.

It should also be noted that [in-universe explanation] in GT, when SSJ4 Goku took on Super 17, Goku's Teleporting ability was displayed to be apparently much more advanced in this level, in a way that he could teleport just by sensing the bacteria in the air around Super 17 [/in-universe-explanation]. Though that was never specifically stated to be the case, it's natural to assume that like the Kamehame-Ha's 10x upgrade, certain techniques of Goku's are much more advanced in his SSJ4 form. Yeah, in all logic this is just a goof from Toei, but it's simple to presume if looking deep enough into the story, at least from my PoV anyway.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:28 pm

Not sure why I'm going to bother but....

Because Gohan wasn`t strong enough , thus Goku`s statement about bringing both Gohan and Gotenks to help them fight against him , suggesting that individually they can`t beat him .

Considering that Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu and Super Buu was a lot weaker than Gohan... yeah, your comment is wrong. Gohan could have trounced Kid Buu as easily as SSJ Trunks took out Cyborg Freeza.

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:38 pm

Hmm, I can't help but wonder if such an obvious question was asked seriously, or with hidden intentions of creating another monster.

Aoi wrote:Why didnt they teleport Gohan to fight Kid Buu after he was made alive again?

When Vegeta explained that they would take the energy of everbody that donated down to the threshold, Goku compliments him and goes right with it, as do the others including Gohan himself. Which would be more powerful, all of Gohan's power put into one attack(he could put everything he had into a Kamehameha or something, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as that Genki Dama), or his power combined with much more? At first, after Gohan and the rest of their friends donated to it, it was already far more powerful than anything Gohan could've dished out alone, and when everybody else did, too, it was way more powerful. And that's why they all decided the Genki Dama was the best chance, Gohan's power plus everybody else's is obviously greater than Gohan alone.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:12 am

Well, a reason would be nice.

I mean, Gohan could lay the royal smackdown on Boo when he fought him, and when Goku and Vegeta fought him in the Kaioshin Realm, Boo, while in a much more aggressive state, was no stronger than he was before, and was arguably weaker, based on Goku and Vegeta's confidence in their ability to fight him. Ergo, had Gohan been there with Goku and Vegeta, he would have been able to deal with Boo.

I already explained on the other thread , I`m not about to repeat myself over here

Well, the topic question has been answered. Kaioshin didn't have enough ki left to teleport again.

First of all , they still had a wish and they could have brought Gohan even if Kibitoshin was out of energy , eventough he wasn`t as I`m about to prove ..
Kibitoshin only performed 2 teleportantions ever since Kaioshin and Kibito fused . Even before them fusing , Kibito has been shown to be able to perform teleportations without much effort . Kibitoshin is leagues ahead of Kibito , thus being able to teleport numerous times . And I hope you don`t suggest a being that powerfull could get tired after performing only 2 teleportations . Kibitoshin was tired and couldn`t teleport only after donating energy to the Genki Dama , not before .

My comments and suggestions towards you are not solely based on this thread, exclusively. I'd highly suggest you take heed of what was mentioned to you. And let's not be blind... I singled out someone else breaking the rules.

As long as I`m not compared to hitler or called a troll I don`t have a problem with anybody .

masenko · Post by **masenko** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:26 am

Aoi wrote:Why didnt they teleport Gohan to fight Kid Buu after he was made alive again? I never understood that (he would have finished him in 20 seconds)

Two main reasons:

1) Anti-Climatic...would've, could've, should've...yet didn't...Let's just settle on the fact that if it did go down this way...it would suck.

2) Toriyama made a conscious decision to make Goku save the universe and not have the final villian of the series defeated by a supporting character. Gohan was built up to be the new lead but it still wasn't the right time.

The only other reason I could think of is that Toriyama wanted to make the Genki-Dama work at least once in his series. Up until then it had failed on 2 previous accounts at destroying major villians...(Vegeta and Freeza)

Coola Yagami · Post by **Coola Yagami** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:01 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Akira wrote:That is the limitation of Goku's Teleportation though, someone else has to be there for him to "Lock on to" so to speak.
It should also be noted that [in-universe explanation] in GT, when SSJ4 Goku took on Super 17, Goku's Teleporting ability was displayed to be apparently much more advanced in this level, in a way that he could teleport just by sensing the bacteria in the air around Super 17 [/in-universe-explanation]. Though that was never specifically stated to be the case, it's natural to assume that like the Kamehame-Ha's 10x upgrade, certain techniques of Goku's are much more advanced in his SSJ4 form. Yeah, in all logic this is just a goof from Toei, but it's simple to presume if looking deep enough into the story, at least from my PoV anyway.

uhh... where did you get all this from..??? All Super 17 said was he could feel the tiniest vibration in the air so he could predict where Goku would appear next. Goku never explained how his technique worked in GT; much less say he could sense bacteria in the air.... does Goku even know what bacteria is?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:09 am

Coola Yagami wrote:uhh... where did you get all this from..??? All Super 17 said was he could feel the tiniest vibration in the air so he could predict where Goku would appear next. Goku never explained how his technique worked in GT; much less say he could sense bacteria in the air.... does Goku even know what bacteria is?

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, it's entirely a guess on my part to explain the situation of Goku teleporting without sensing 17, since 17 can't be sensed (and we know Goku can't teleport without locking onto another ki). I'm pretty sure I didn't say that it was fact about the whole "sensing bacteria" since I was just basing it off the technique upgrades apparent with SSJ4 Goku (as he can perform that 10x Kamehame-Ha), it's simply my own explanation for the matter at hand. I have no facts from dialogue in said episode or from Toei to back me up, it's simply a guess, take it however you will.

Aoi · Post by **Aoi** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:08 am

well just to end the Super 17 talk. It was shown that Machine Mutants are living characters and Super 17 is half Machine Mutant so he has Ki.

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:38 am

Coola Yagami wrote:since 17 can't be sensed

Trunks sensed 17's ki in GT, though. It's true that it was made quite clear androids don't have ki in DBZ, but in GT they do. In GT, if it's not a plothole, something ain't right.

wannywan · Post by **wannywan** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:28 am

Sorry for going off topic, but metrite, that has to be my new sig.

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