Dragonball, oh no's

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:07 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:.
Sebastian (SB) wrote:
Friezafan120 wrote:The series not ending after the Freeza Saga.
Disagreed. A lot of things like Vegeta & Goku's rivalry, Son Gohan's character development, etc., would've been left behind. Sure Goku dying on Planet Namek would've been a fitting ending, but I would much perfer for the series to continue on. If anything, leaving Goku dead on Planet Namek & letting Gohan take over as the main lead would've been a compromise at best.
That's because we know what was to come. IMO, if it ended with Goku saying something like he did at the end of the Cell games or something, it would be great. But to know the series from way back in DragonBall and to end it with GT is too much (I have a feeling I've said this at least twice in this forum).
-Rick

Oh! I'm not talking about GT

Just the Dragon Ball manga in specific.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:51 pm

I was suprised to see Vegeta finnaly admit that 'Kakarott' was number one.
I was also incredibly dissapointed in the actual ending of Z, it had a somewhat anti-climatic feeling.
The tounament is built up, and you think its gonna end with the final battle of Goku and Vegeta.. but no, Goku runs off with this poor kid and trains him... yay?
Well, thats just my personal thoughts.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:42 pm

Rory wrote:I was suprised to see Vegeta finnaly admit that 'Kakarott' was number one.

Exacty. When I was watching it as it happening I thought I was imagining it. I thought the day would never come when I would hear those words come out of his mouth.

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:23 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:
Rory wrote:I was suprised to see Vegeta finnaly admit that 'Kakarott' was number one.
Exacty. When I was watching it as it happening I thought I was imagining it. I thought the day would never come when I would hear those words come out of his mouth.

Egh no kidding. What about the various breakdowns he has during the Freeza saga, movie 8 and movie 12?

He acted like a total pussy in Movie 8.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:48 pm

Magica wrote:He acted like a total pussy in Movie 8.

Christ, I know. "We're doomed... he's the legendary Super Saiyan... save me , Piccolo..."

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:14 am

desirecampbell wrote:
Magica wrote:He acted like a total pussy in Movie 8.
Christ, I know. "We're doomed... he's the legendary Super Saiyan... save me , Piccolo..."

After watching those movies I almost broke down and cried. WTH did they do to Vegeta. I traded in both the very next day.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:22 am

Does Vegeta even ever cry in the series? I know he's had emotional rage moments such as when Future Trunks was killed, as well as tender times like when he bid Trunks farewell before blowing himself up and I swear he came close right before telling "Kakarrot" to throw him the Potara earring to defeat Super Buu. Crying in movies 8 and 12...just so out of character, good thing these are movies I don't try making canon in my PoV of the anime.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:29 am

Vegeta cried during the Freeza arc while he explained to Goku what Freeza had turned him into.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:32 am

I think the movies were still out of character, because he was so totally broken, and also, one step away from death, when he did that. Even Freeza begged before he died. But in the movies it wasn't even that close.

Although I like how he totally fell apart when Broli (or whatever it is, Broly, Brolly, Brolli, etc) came since he places so much stock in his legends and he was the living legend.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:54 am

SatoSky wrote:Vegeta cried during the Freeza arc while he explained to Goku what Freeza had turned him into.

O.O How could I forget. Well, here he had the perfect excuses, unlike movies 8 and 12. He was dying, pleading to Kakarrot with the last of his strength that Freeza must die "by Saiyan hands", and he realized he had nothing left.

chibi_goten · Post by **chibi_goten** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:36 am

Thinking about Vegeta, another thing in Dragonball I didn't expect was when Goku asked for his help to fight Jheese & Ginyu and he agreed. I really thought he was going too and I remember thinking this is awesome, but then when he flew away I was like, you bastard

.

I really thought he was going to help.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:17 pm

Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo staying on the Earth when it went boom.
Actually, when I was near those episodes, I came across a website with a list of deaths, and I saw an entry there for people that died when the earth blew up... and I thought, "Crap, I'd better stop reading this so I won't see anything about Goten dying and can pretend for a few more days that he doesn't..."

*wanted Gohan to be the only one to not die... oh, and Mr. Satan, but he already got that title*

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:42 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Magica wrote:He acted like a total pussy in Movie 8.
Christ, I know. "We're doomed... he's the legendary Super Saiyan... save me , Piccolo..."
After watching those movies I almost broke down and cried. WTH did they do to Vegeta. I traded in both the very next day.

Eh, I like Vejita (srsly i no rite?) but I didn't feel the movies were too far out. Vejita had his breakdown because the legend he had been raised to believe in all his life was real and in front of him. In movie 12, he was going back to hell...shit, who wouldn't cry over that?

...you know Freeza was probably beating him with an 18 inch black rubber cock down there...and that's the pleasant version

Now, GT on the other hand...talk about screwing up Vejita.

[lol moustache/biker trash]

-Corey

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:51 pm

I think it's easy to understand why actions involving Vegeta would be a shock; I'm surprised Vegeta crying wasn't mentioned sooner. Freeza Arc and movies 8 and 12 were good examples but what about the end of GT? Technically, Goku left Vegeta as his successor when he left Earth. (Somehow) keeping the strength aspect out of it, of all the people to chose why Vegeta? Why was Uub even created?!
-Rick

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:56 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Anonymous Friend wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Christ, I know. "We're doomed... he's the legendary Super Saiyan... save me , Piccolo..."
...you know Freeza was probably beating him with an 18 inch black rubber cock down there...and that's the pleasant version

Wow, possibly the best quote on Daizex, ever.
Yeah, I do think the movies (and ESPECIALLY GT) Screwed poor Vegeta over pretty bad.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:47 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Technically, Goku left Vegeta as his successor when he left Earth. (Somehow) keeping the strength aspect out of it, of all the people to chose why Vegeta?

Vegeta is the only one Goku could trust to not be a pussy about keeping in shape.

Why was Uub even created?!

I ask myself that every time he's mentioned.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:00 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I think it's easy to understand why actions involving Vegeta would be a shock; I'm surprised Vegeta crying wasn't mentioned sooner. Freeza Arc and movies 8 and 12 were good examples but what about the end of GT? Technically, Goku left Vegeta as his successor when he left Earth. (Somehow) keeping the strength aspect out of it, of all the people to chose why Vegeta? Why was Uub even created?!
-Rick

I alweays thought Pan was left as the successor to Goku at the end, her keeping his gi an' all. It'd be kinda stupid to let a 50 + year old be the successor for the earth, but then again, GT is kinda fuckin' stupid.

Android18 · Post by **Android18** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:05 pm

Rory wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:I think it's easy to understand why actions involving Vegeta would be a shock; I'm surprised Vegeta crying wasn't mentioned sooner. Freeza Arc and movies 8 and 12 were good examples but what about the end of GT? Technically, Goku left Vegeta as his successor when he left Earth. (Somehow) keeping the strength aspect out of it, of all the people to chose why Vegeta? Why was Uub even created?!
-Rick
I alweays thought Pan was left as the successor to Goku at the end, her keeping his gi an' all. It'd be kinda stupid to let a 50 + year old be the successor for the earth, but then again, GT is kinda fuckin' stupid.

Actually i think it was supposed to be gohan.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:29 pm

Android18 wrote:
Rory wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:I think it's easy to understand why actions involving Vegeta would be a shock; I'm surprised Vegeta crying wasn't mentioned sooner. Freeza Arc and movies 8 and 12 were good examples but what about the end of GT? Technically, Goku left Vegeta as his successor when he left Earth. (Somehow) keeping the strength aspect out of it, of all the people to chose why Vegeta? Why was Uub even created?!
-Rick
I alweays thought Pan was left as the successor to Goku at the end, her keeping his gi an' all. It'd be kinda stupid to let a 50 + year old be the successor for the earth, but then again, GT is kinda fuckin' stupid.
Actually i think it was supposed to be gohan.

Well, yeah, in Z, but then GT fucked it all up, and he was too old, and never trained, and barely had any screen time.

I think Pan was the successor, dispite the next time we see her we are horrified by how hideously old and weak looking she is. ><

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:41 pm

You guys gotta keep in mind, it was purely the FUNi dub that made it look like Goku was leaving everything to Vegeta ("They're in your hands now"). However, in the Japanese version, it's much more ambigous and seems that Goku is leaving a planet that no longer needs protecting from any evils. He simply says "See you later, Vegeta...See ya' later, everyone!" I guess in a sense, he was leaving the protection of the Earth to them all.

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