So has GT been forgiven yet?

[dangerouslover]

Meanwhile, in Super we've completely been told that Uub pretty much doesn't even exist despite the fact that he appears at the end of Dragon Ball Z even inside the Manga.

That's not true at all. In episode 30, Goku and Vegeta explicitly talk about the reincarnation of Boo and how he'd still just be a little baby/kid at this point in the story and isn't worth bringing along to the tournament. They don't say "Oob" by name, but the context of the conversation is obvious.

Remember: Dragon Ball Super is taking place during the ten-year time period between the defeat of Majin Boo and the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai.

Then someone needs to tell whoever wrote said episode needs to learn about continuity. Goku didn't even know about Uub until the 28th Tournament, and even then it was all done based off of a gut feeling.

[ArchedThunder]

Then someone needs to tell whoever wrote said episode needs to learn about continuity. Goku didn't even know about Uub until the 28th Tournament, and even then it was all done based off of a gut feeling.

Goku still doesn't know Oob by name, where he lives or what he looks like, he just knows that Boo's been reincarnated as he requested.

[sintzu]

Champa, Vados, Hit, Cabba, Frost have been enjoyable.

Goku Black is probably the best written villain that we had to date.

Bebi is the best villain in GT, but I still felt like that he was lackluster compare to the main villains in DBZ and even Piccolo Daimao.

Frost being evil as a twist was stupid, but at least his personality is different from Freeza. At least Frost enjoys a good fight and pretends that he is good.

Beerus 2.0, Whis 2.0, Gohan 2.0, Freeza 2.0

Can't argue with that.

Bebi at least had a reason for doing what he was doing, Buu and Piccolo Daimao just wanted to destroy everything because they were evil.

There was so much they could've done with Frost's fake personality but for some reason they ruined it right away.

Then someone needs to tell whoever wrote said episode needs to learn about continuity.

You think the people who wrote Ssjb kaioken ×10 Goku being weaker than a Beerus who needed 10% of his power to take down a ssj2 Vegeta care about continuity ?

[Hellspawn28]

I also like that Super give us better world bulding with 12 universes. GT did had the other planets, but I felt like that they didn't do much with them. So far, we are going to Universe 10 and I hope we will visit more soon. I also give Super credit for giving us a real tournament again than one that was never finished or crappy one shot episode of one. I also find the concept of Super Dragon Balls to be much better than that of the Black-Star Dragon Balls and I also like Super's color pallet than the color pallet in GT. GT's art style didn't fit Dragon Ball while Super still feels like it could be apart of the Dragon Ball universe from Toriyama.

[fadeddreams5]

I find it funny that Super has prompted people to look back at GT and realize it isn't as horrifyingly terrible as they remember. Cause damn was it bashed before Super came into existence.

Personally, I think the dub of GT is the worst thing to ever come out of this franchise. It's bad. Really, really bad. And that's coming from someone who loves the DBZ dubs. The original Japanese version of GT, though, is...well, it's still boring, but watchable. It also has scenes like this which are severely lacking in Super:
https://youtu.be/r7GrjdTwyJY?t=1m47s

Goku can get serious, he can be greatly angered, and there are many times he does fight for more than just "fun." Super's Goku strips him of all of these layers and has turned him into the most annoying one-dimensional character (not to say he had too much depth before).

[Soppa Saia People]

Never got the complaints of the GT dub, sure the music sucked but that's moot with the green bricks, really only the marketing sucked but other then that, I thought it was fine and I'm a subbie to boot. I'm especially baffled when people defend the Z dub but shit on the GT one.

[sintzu]

https://youtu.be/r7GrjdTwyJY?t=1m47s

Goku can get serious, he can be greatly angered, and there are many times he does fight for more than just "fun."

Super's fanboys should watch scenes like this before spreading lies about Goku's personality in the original being like it is in Super.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Uh...no? GT has only one true "great" moment imo and that's the end (not that the series ended, but rather the end itself was a great closure to Dragonball). The Beerus vs. Goku fight, a lot of the comedy (like Mr. Satan punching Goku), Vegeta vs. Golden Freeza, Goku vs. Hit, Vegeta vs. Magetta, Vegeta vs. Cabba, and now the Goku Black arc so far has exceeded anything in GT in quality work and memorability. Beerus and Whis alone are better than anything GT has ever provided in terms of original characters.

I don't even think GT is that bad but Super has exceeded it in nearly every way possible thus-far. GT has better music and slightly better animation but that's about the only thing it did better than Super. Hell, Super has world-building, something that NEVER happened outside of filler in any of the original Dragonball anime.

[fadeddreams5]

Never got the complaints of the GT dub, sure the music sucked but that's moot with the green bricks, really only the marketing sucked but other then that, I thought it was fine and I'm a subbie to boot. I'm especially baffled when people defend the Z dub but shit on the GT one.

The music is exactly the main issue. It's the same exact droll theme playing in every, single, scene. It makes the whole show a bore. A complete and utter bore. And it was boring to begin. It truly is painful.

There are other issues, like Pan's portrayal making her character even more obnoxious, too.

In the case of the DBZ dub, it wasn't faithful, but fans of it don't give a **** because that's the first version of the show they watched, grew up with, and loved. GT's dub isn't bad because it wasn't faithful; it's bad because it made something unpopular even worse. Hell, it accentuated what was bad with it in the first place with its track and portrayals (I've always hated Kid Goku/Gohan's dub voice).

[TheGreatness25]

Dub GT was a total bore from an audio perspective -- yes, that much is true. Though I will say -- and I'm in the minority here, I'm sure -- that I found the opening and closing themes kinda catchy. The rap sounded like crap, but the beat itself was fine.

[Hellspawn28]

GT's dub was a pain to sit through on Toonami with the bad GT rap intro and the bad voice acting. Super Yi Xing Long's original voice is so painful to listen too. I'm happy that Xenoverse give him a better voice. Pan's and GT Kid Goku's voices are also annoying to listen too as well. I did like Mike McFaland's voice for Bebi though. I did felt like it fit his bratty personally that he will have.

[MonkeyKing16]

Hmmmm...this is difficult for me...

I never hated GT but I never really cared for it either. Its at best forgettable for me. That being said, GT at least tries to be more creative with some of its concepts as opposed to just escalation.

[Lord Beerus]

While people will inevitably compare Super to GT, which is flawed comparison to even begin with as Super is still airing, I think GT should be judged on its own merits, and respectively, I still don't like the show as a whole and see it as waste of huge potential. I don't think people should be forgiving to GT just because of a new long running Dragon Ball show that hasn't lived up to all their exception as of yet. That shouldn't negate all the crap that GT pulled. It was a bad show then, and it still is now.

[WittyUsername]

While people will inevitably compare Super to GT, which is flawed comparison to even begin with as Super is still airing, I think GT should be judged on its own merits, and respectively, I still don't like the show as a whole and see it as waste of huge potential. I don't think people should be forgiving to GT just because of a new long running Dragon Ball show that hasn't lived up to all their exception as of yet. That shouldn't negate all the crap that GT pulled. It was a bad show then, and it still is now.

I think the main point the OP was trying to make though, is that Super has been guilty of many of the same things that people used to justify their hatred of GT. From that perspective, it can seem a bit odd for someone to love Super, but hate GT.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Never got the complaints of the GT dub, sure the music sucked but that's moot with the green bricks, really only the marketing sucked but other then that, I thought it was fine and I'm a subbie to boot. I'm especially baffled when people defend the Z dub but shit on the GT one.

Agreed. FUNI's GT dub is bad the music is horrible but Z dub isn't any better. Infact in terms of accuracy GT dub is a lot closer to the original than Z ever was.

- Travis

[Kunzait_83]

Super has genuinely good arcs and ideas. The movie adaption episodes were a low point.

The movie adaptation arcs make up about roughly half of what's currently aired for Super. That percentage will certainly lessen (considerably depending on how long Super ultimately goes on for) as more and more episodes are made and air: but for the moment being that's a LOT of low point to have to endure if you want to watch the series as it is now straight through. I'm as big a DB fan as you'll find, and I certainly couldn't make it through that shitpit of episodes.

Many of the slice of life episodes were also good.

The slice of life episodes are the absolute worst. I still can't bring myself to care about or keep up on Super largely because they left such a rotten, rotten taste in my mouth.

Super's also guilty of a MUCH worse crime than GT ever was: shameless recycling. GT actually created quite a great deal of brand new characters, designs, concepts, and so forth. Whether or not they were any good is a whole separate discussion, but the point is it actually tried to add something genuinely new to the series. Baby's Tsufuru origin (Plan to Eradicate the Saiya-jin OVA) and much of the Super 17 mini-arc (which takes a lot from movies 7 and 12) are the only major things that spring to mind offhand that are blatant recycling of previous material (much of it movie or OVA-related than anything from the manga anyway).

Super is content to be a "greatest hits" remixing of popular character concepts & ideas from (largely) Z. That's not only boring and conservative unto itself, but its not even rehashing a lot of these things all THAT particularly well either. Its FAR more engaging when it actually brings in genuinely new ideas (Beerus & Whis, the 12 Universes concept) but those are few and far between amidst all the many more instances of things like Recolored SSJs, dragging back Freeza from the grave, and wheeling out Future Trunks in his time machine yet again to seek help from the past to fix his apocalyptic future.

[precita]

Literally all of Super's slice of life episodes have been funny or entertaining.

[Soppa Saia People]

Never got the complaints of the GT dub, sure the music sucked but that's moot with the green bricks, really only the marketing sucked but other then that, I thought it was fine and I'm a subbie to boot. I'm especially baffled when people defend the Z dub but shit on the GT one.

The music is exactly the main issue. It's the same exact droll theme playing in every, single, scene. It makes the whole show a bore. A complete and utter bore. And it was boring to begin. It truly is painful.

There are other issues, like Pan's portrayal making her character even more obnoxious, too.

In the case of the DBZ dub, it wasn't faithful, but fans of it don't give a **** because that's the first version of the show they watched, grew up with, and loved. GT's dub isn't bad because it wasn't faithful; it's bad because it made something unpopular even worse. Hell, it accentuated what was bad with it in the first place with its track and portrayals (I've always hated Kid Goku/Gohan's dub voice).

For me that's moot because I didn't watch it when it first aired, I'm sure if I saw when it first I'd be so singing a different tune but for ? The GT dub is just fine for me.

[coola]

Even before Super, i found GT to be interesting concept, but mostly poorly executed, Kaboom fixed most of its problems in his fanwork From what i've seen, DBGT is like Sonic 06, while Super is Sonic Boom, 06 for many years was hated for buggy gameplay and stupid storyline, but..when Boom was released, some people started appreciate 06 more, saying at least Sonic stages are ok, and it is fun to play with all glitches and laugh at stupid storyline

[Lord Beerus]

While people will inevitably compare Super to GT, which is flawed comparison to even begin with as Super is still airing, I think GT should be judged on its own merits, and respectively, I still don't like the show as a whole and see it as waste of huge potential. I don't think people should be forgiving to GT just because of a new long running Dragon Ball show that hasn't lived up to all their exception as of yet. That shouldn't negate all the crap that GT pulled. It was a bad show then, and it still is now.

I think the main point the OP was trying to make though, is that Super has been guilty of many of the same things that people used to justify their hatred of GT. From that perspective, it can seem a bit odd for someone to love Super, but hate GT.

Oh, there no doubt in my mind that Super is also quite guilty of the same flaws that GT had, and perhaps I should made that point clearer in my original post, but what I'm trying to say is that Super is still a developing show that once it ends could be perceived as a much greater show than GT in several areas and hindsight shouldn't be use to ignore any faults that GT had if a comparison to Super, in regards to the similarities of the faults both of the shows have.