Who has done the most damage to Dragonball?

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:05 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote: Does the weekly serialization of a manga, hurt an anime in this way? By the way Bleach, which I know is animated differently, has a consistent flow of near amazing animation for every episode I’ve seen so far (in the 70s) now. I think this rings true for Naruto as well, which is done by the same studio I believe..
-Rick

You forget that both shows are animated with computers and not hand-drawn like DB was. Also I hear Naruto had some moments of bad animation that Pierrot later fixed for Japanese dvd and the American releases.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:09 pm

Mystic Jack wrote:When you think about it Dragon Ball's dub is not terrific but it's decent. (Unlike a certain 4kids dub about pirates )

Well, sure. Compared to the One Piece dub, even the GT dub seems like a masterpiece. But Dragonball still suffers from pointless script-changes that sometimes contradict themselves, and they've removed most of the insert songs, so I don't really like it very much. (So glad the FUNI DVDs have the japanese version.)

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:11 pm

Super Sonic wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote: Does the weekly serialization of a manga, hurt an anime in this way? By the way Bleach, which I know is animated differently, has a consistent flow of near amazing animation for every episode I’ve seen so far (in the 70s) now. I think this rings true for Naruto as well, which is done by the same studio I believe..
-Rick
You forget that both shows are animated with computers and not hand-drawn like DB was. Also I hear Naruto had some moments of bad animation that Pierrot later fixed for Japanese dvd and the American releases.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "which I know is animated differently".
By the way, is it true OP is still hand-drawn? I'm pretty sure GT was done the same way so CPU animation could be considered fairly new..
-Rick

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:10 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote: Does the weekly serialization of a manga, hurt an anime in this way? By the way Bleach, which I know is animated differently, has a consistent flow of near amazing animation for every episode I’ve seen so far (in the 70s) now. I think this rings true for Naruto as well, which is done by the same studio I believe..
-Rick

Really?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:19 pm

I personally think the american fans have done the most damage to the show. American fans have given DBZ a reputation of being "kids stuff', up there with Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh. Once anything is labled "for kids" it usually ends up with a very negative reputation.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:14 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Does the weekly serialization of a manga, hurt an anime in this way? By the way Bleach, which I know is animated differently, has a consistent flow of near amazing animation for every episode I’ve seen so far (in the 70s) now. I think this rings true for Naruto as well, which is done by the same studio I believe..
-Rick
Really?
<snip>

Touché.

I thought thought the Ichigo one was bad (by the way, how far into the series is that) but wow, Naruto was decapitated..!

Random: Isn't it Julian's birthday today? I think he said it was either a day before or after the 3rd in a recent podcast..
-Rick

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:16 pm

Ichigo: "Braaaiiins..."

Guy carrying away Naruto's head: "Here ya go!"

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:49 pm

I think we now know why they redo the animation.

TriforceCaptre · Post by **TriforceCaptre** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:11 pm

In my opinion the gold medal goes to the fans. Not all of them of course, but the "D3Z is the roxorz Broly GRRR!" type fans.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:50 pm

How can someone just forget to give him a head?!

Both pics are hilarious though.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:51 pm

TriforceCaptre wrote:In my opinion the gold medal goes to the fans. Not all of them of course, but the "D3Z is the roxorz Broly GRRR!" type fans.

His power is MAXIMUM!

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:30 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:I personally think the american fans have done the most damage to the show. American fans have given DBZ a reputation of being "kids stuff', up there with Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh. Once anything is labled "for kids" it usually ends up with a very negative reputation.

But...Dragon Ball was pretty much made for kids, but is something adults can like. Much like all other shonen shows. >_>; Back when DBZ was in and just starting up (before the DVD releases, anyways), the older fans seemed to like the Japanese version cause "it had swears and gore."

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:13 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:I personally think the american fans have done the most damage to the show. American fans have given DBZ a reputation of being "kids stuff', up there with Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh. Once anything is labled "for kids" it usually ends up with a very negative reputation.
But...Dragon Ball was pretty much made for kids, but is something adults can like. Much like all other shonen shows. >_>; Back when DBZ was in and just starting up (before the DVD releases, anyways), the older fans seemed to like the Japanese version cause "it had swears and gore."

Yeah I know that, but Americans automatically assume anything for kids is lame.

Synapse · Post by **Synapse** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:44 pm

Fans have just been annoying sometimes. That doesn't bother me. I'd have to say #1 is FUNimation for having so much trouble releasing a decent version of the series. I mean, the widescreen and color problem doesn't kill me but it still leaves a lot to be desired, plus it took like 10 years to get it somewhat right.

Following them is Toei. Not because of DBGT, cuz I actually loved that and wish it lasted longer, but because they haven't been really a help to FUNimation in their process. It always pisses me off when in interviews about DBZ, there isn't a single Japanese dude...just the Americans. That's a dick move on Toei's part, and I'm sure theyd make more money if they lent their best copies to FUNi and sent over some of their original workers).

Also, I'd kinda have to place a lot of blame on American television corporations (FUNi, Saban, Pioneer, and the channels that wouldn't play the show unless it was edited) for turning the whole franchinse into even more of a kid's show. I mean, if the show was put on in America with all the original dialogue and music and no cuts, I'd doubt we'd have as many people hating on the show and the people that still like it. I mean, it's because it got so butchered in America that I can't tell anyone I like the show without getting completely ragged on. I understand it was a kid's show in Japan as well, but c'mon...not like it was here.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:56 pm

Honestly, Saban takes the cake for me. With DB, without their help they used Ocean; so, I'd bet they would've gone for Ocean even without Saban. And, if it were not for them, FUNi would've gone through CN for edits like the did once they did in-house acting.
Honestly, were it not for Saban, I'd bet we'd even still have Ocean! Or the in-house actors would've started with the series and no one would complain about it.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:06 am

bkev wrote:Honestly, Saban takes the cake for me. With DB, without their help they used Ocean; so, I'd bet they would've gone for Ocean even without Saban. And, if it were not for them, FUNi would've gone through CN for edits like the did once they did in-house acting.
Honestly, were it not for Saban, I'd bet we'd even still have Ocean! Or the in-house actors would've started with the series and no one would complain about it.

What...? DBZ had the Ocean cast as well. When FUNi and Saban parted, FUNi didn't have any money to really fly the actors over to Texas to do recordings and what not. At that time, FUNi was strictly known only for doing DB and DBZ. Much before they became successful and what not. Not to mention, Ian Corlett once mentioned he left during the syndication broadcast due to contract issues, as well as not being paid very well, IIRC.

Also, the European dub of DBZ used the Ocean cast starting with the Cell saga (or the Trunks portion, as FUNi calls it). And they weren't with FUNimation.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:46 pm

I'm aware of that. Let me try to rephrase that: had FUNi gone through CN from the beginning like they did after the split from Saban, than either we'd have the Ocean cast still or have had the in-house one from the beginning and we wouldn't have the fights over and over about who's better.

Vhanos · Post by **Vhanos** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:26 am

Funimation. I still to this day can't forgive how they have handled the series.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:47 am

Pedro The Hutt wrote:You're forgetting Shounen Jump and it's editors of doom. For pushing the manga into directions didn't originally intend and for prolonging the series further than originally intended. ;D

Because I'm sure the one shot gag manga would have been a world wide sensation.

Hao_Kaiser · Post by **Hao_Kaiser** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:46 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
Pedro The Hutt wrote:You're forgetting Shounen Jump and it's editors of doom. For pushing the manga into directions didn't originally intend and for prolonging the series further than originally intended. ;D
Because I'm sure the one shot gag manga would have been a world wide sensation.

Yeah... 'cause that's totally relevent and stuff... and fun and stuff.

He means that Toriyama meant to end DB after Freeza (or stuff along the same tangent)... I dunno where you got that gag manga stuff from.

Anywho... I guess I'll have to go with FUNi... Viz was atleast able to get the entire series out, moronic edits and all, and Toei... well, erm... they're a close second for not helping FUNi out. Honestly, I never saw a lack of episode previews as much of a reason for a Japanese fan to not import FUNi releases... So I'm gonna say that Toei being stingy was rather pointless.