Why people think Vegetto SSB can beat Beerus or Whis?

[Boo Machine]

I don't know how he could be any more clear. We got numbers. Easy to follow numbers. This is the guy who wrote this.
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Really think there's some hidden more complicated point to the numbers?

No. But that's the whole point I've been trying to make. Those numbers are simple. Like, really simple. They don't mean a whole lot besides putting characters into a position for us to understand who stands on top of who. But because they're simple we don't really know power gap between those characters. We know Whis is stonger than Beerus because 15 is higher than 10. We know Beerus is stonger than Goku because 10 is higher than 6. We get that. I get that. But how big is the gap in power between 10 and 15? It could be a lot, it could be a little. We don't know because all we got was simple numbers. How much stonger does Goku need to get before that 6 goes to 7? Is it a 7 already? Who knows? I certainly don't. Those numbers don't say a lot besides who is stronger than who.

All I was trying to say is, It's a fairly huge assumption that Vegetto rises above Whis based on those simple not very detailed numbers considering we haven't seen what the extent of Whis's powers are and we don't have enough info to know that for sure. Nothing more.

Edit: Or I should probably say, I dont have enough info to be convinced.

Ask yourself how many kids would think something like you said. Now ask yourself how many would think the 6/10/15 is simple to follow. My exact point is Dragon Ball is simplicity. Simplicity is usually the correct answer for everything it throws, because it's trying to be simple for it's audience. You're asking a lot of questions that over complicates what is simply stated. No child is gonna ask those questions as they gave a flat out answer. If everything you said was applicable, it'd end up confusing the audience, which goes against what Dragon Ball is going for. Simplicity.

I think it's a much more massive assumption to think Whis is somehow trillions of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

I'm not really asking those questions though. I'd never even thought about it until today, because I do love the simplicity. I was just giving examples for my point. I never assumed anything either. Certainly not that Whis towers over everyone a trillion times over.

I'm not saying you're wrong (I don't know if I'm coming off that way),Again, just that I don't know enough to be convinced.

[ChronoTwigger]

Simplicity?
Whis is stronger than anyone.

Really simple.

[Smilodon]

Simplicity?
Whis is stronger than anyone.

Really simple.

Vados >>>> Whis

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Beerus & Whis aren't many times stronger than SSB Goku & SSB Vegeta, while SSB Vegetto would be hundreds of times stronger than SSB Goku & SSB Vegeta. A Beerus & Whis Potara fusion would also probably still fall below Vegetto, because there is a big difference between Beerus & Whis, while Goku & Vegeta are equals & get a much greater boost for that reason.

Simplicity?
Whis is stronger than anyone.

Really simple.

Vados >>>> Whis

And Zenno is stronger than both of them.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Vados >>>> Whis

Please contribute to the discussion with more than an equation.

[Protege]

Whis said if Goku and Vegeta fight together they could beat Beerus!
Goku and Vegeta fought Super Boo Gohan and didn't nothing...And Vegetto was muuuch stronger than Super Boo Gohan.

So, Vegetto would be too much for Beerus!

But Whis, maybe not! Whis is strong enough to beat Beerus with a single punch (without his full power). And his techniques are unknown yet...

I think Vegetto would destroy Beerus and Champa together(no fusion), but Whis or Vados would smash Vegetto easily.

Didnt Whis said that he was powerless to stop a universal explosion! So I'm pretty sure hes not that powerful, just amazingly fast and able to stop opponents with just pressure points. If goku and vegeta actually fused they would be a high multiversal level threat. considering how their powers would add up and then multiply, just imagine them going ssj blue kaioken x10. They would be powerful enough to sneeze all 12 multiverses out of existence including omni-king.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Vados >>>> Whis

Please contribute to the discussion with more than an equation.

Isn't it technically an inequality and not an equation?
As for topic, Gokuu and Vegeta went from being no match for Boohan to stomping level after fusion. There's no way Beerus still wins.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Based on what Whis said about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus if they worked together, they could definitely defeat him as SSB Vegetto, but I don't know about defeating Whis himself.

[SSJ Human]

Isn't Vegeto the only character that hasn't been shown being defeated? That's probably the reason why.

[Abel Taylor]

Vados >>>> Whis

Please contribute to the discussion with more than an equation.

An inequality, actually.

I think Vegito or Gogeta SSB would destroy just about anything, but you never know with how this is all playing out.

[Khin]

Based on what Whis said about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus if they worked together.

While that line exists in the movie version of the RoF. It was never stated in Super.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Based on what Whis said about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus if they worked together.

While that line exists in the movie version of the RoF. It was never stated in Super.

They could change it for Super, but so far there has been no indication that they have. The fact that Beerus seemed nervous at the thought of Goku using SSB Kaio-ken against him suggests to me it hasn't changed, though.

[Khin]

They could change it for Super, but so far there has been no indication that they have. The fact that Beerus seemed nervous at the thought of Goku using SSB Kaio-ken against him suggests to me it hasn't changed, though.

Yes there was. It looks like they replaced it with a line with Beerus challenging them to a fight, but Goku declined because Beerus is way stronger than them. Beerus heard just seconds before Goku used Kaiou-ken that it multiplies his power. So it's no surprise that he would be nervous, if Goku will use it on him. Especially if he doesn't know how much Goku can multiply. I see no reason to assume Kaiou-ken Goku is stronger than Beerus when the exact opposite was indicated multiple times.

[Sonicjamareiz]

Isn't Vegeto the only character that hasn't been shown being defeated? That's probably the reason why.

Well Vegeto was kind of "defeated" when he was fighting Buuhan in his base form in the anime.

[SSJ Human]

Isn't Vegeto the only character that hasn't been shown being defeated? That's probably the reason why.

Well Vegeto was kind of "defeated" when he was fighting Buuhan in his base form in the anime.

Not really.

[kinisking]

He could best Beerus by Whis' statements in the movies and Super. No clue about Whis because I don't think the 6/10/15 makes sense anymore.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not really.

This is a forum for discussion. Please try to contribute more to your post than such a short response. For example, elaborating on why you don't feel that is the case.

[SSJ Human]

Not really.

This is a forum for discussion. Please try to contribute more to your post than such a short response. For example, elaborating on why you don't feel that is the case.

There's not much else to elaborate on. Anyone who saw the fight knows what I'm talking about.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There's not much else to elaborate on. Anyone who saw the fight knows what I'm talking about.

The assumption that everyone has seen the fight and has proper reference is not a valid excuse for lack of substance. In this instance, there are members on these very forums that have publicly noted they grew up on Kai and have yet to see any of the Boo Arc material. It won't hurt to add an extra sentence or two to provide proper context and substance to a post.

[SSJ Human]

There's not much else to elaborate on. Anyone who saw the fight knows what I'm talking about.

The assumption that everyone has seen the fight and has proper reference is not a valid excuse for lack of substance. In this instance, there are members on these very forums that have publicly noted they grew up on Kai and have yet to see any of the Boo Arc material. It won't hurt to add an extra sentence or two to provide proper context and substance to a post.

I shouldn't have to give a synopsis every time I post. Even if they haven't seen the arc there's still plenty of online sources that detail them.

Aren't we getting a little off topic here? I was giving my opinion. I thought that was what you do on a message board. My mistake.