Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

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Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:26 pm

Regular SSJ

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SSJ2

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So, the point I'm getting at is, has Dragon Ball Supers Gohan used the SSJ2 design for his SSJ1? Or was he really a SSJ2 in the RoF arc?

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:29 pm

I think he was normal Super Saiyan (see lack of electricity), but maybe his hairstyle caused his hair to stick out farther?

But we know how Toei is with Goku's SSJ2 hair, so who really knows?
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Grimlock » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Movie 15's Gohan was Super Saiyan, Dragon Ball Heroes confirmed that.

Maybe he was just Super Saiyan too in Toei's retelling of the Movie 15, I think.

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Post by jplaya2023 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:33 pm

Grimlock wrote:Movie 15's Gohan was Super Saiyan, Dragon Ball Heroes confirmed that.

Maybe he was just Super Saiyan too in Toei's retelling of the Movie 15, I think.
Gohan shouldn't be able to go ssj anymore per mystic gohan. In BOG he was mystic, only a few months/years passed from that movie to ROF so him using ssj does not make sense

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:37 pm

jplaya2023 wrote:Gohan shouldn't be able to go ssj anymore per mystic gohan. In BOG he was mystic, only a few months/years passed from that movie to ROF so him using ssj does not make sense
Let me direct you to this thread. :P
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:07 pm

Gohan was also a Super Saiyan in this instance:

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And there is no lighting aura shown in your second and third example of what SSJ2 Gohan supposedly looks like. My point is that what SSJ Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan looks like has always been complicated as Toei on a few occasions have never put in the effort to distinguish any aesthetic difference from SSJ Gohan to SSJ2 Gohan.
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:11 pm

Yeah, if Toei had only applied the lightning to Gohan's aura we wouldn't have had this everlasting debate If he was SSJ2 Against Dabura and Broly.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Grimlock » Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:18 pm

There wasn't any lightning in the manga, so Gohan was just Super Saiyan in his fight against Dabura. And according to the image below, he used Super Saiyan 2 against Broly.

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And by the way, Gohan wasn't using Super Saiyan 2 while training in Kaioshin's planet.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Lionel » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:29 pm

Gohan's hairstyle makes it more difficult to discern which form he's in period. I prefer his Cell Games style because it appeared to be going for more of a "Goku" vibe with the horizontally faced spikes. Plus his SSJ2 form was easy to recognise since it was such a dramatic change from his SSJ1 state.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:31 pm

Grimlock wrote:There wasn't any lightning in the manga, so Gohan was just Super Saiyan in his fight against Dabura. And according to the image below, he used Super Saiyan 2 against Broly.

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And by the way, Gohan wasn't using Super Saiyan 2 while training in Kaioshin's planet.
I think he was a SSJ2 on Kaioshin's planet, because when he powers up to release the Z-Sword, they're some flickers of electricity in his aura.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Grimlock » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:38 pm

Electricity appears even when Bardock and Vegeto turn Super Saiyan... Judging by the anime is not your best option (although the electricity appear in the manga for Vegeto, but we know the truth :roll:), you should check the manga. And in the manga, there isn't any electricity present.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Xeztin » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:55 pm

Oh lord this is confusing, but even though electricity was applied to SSJ1 in some instances like Vegito like mentioned above, I think in this day in age Toei applies electricity to everything SSJ2 such as the recent Goku SSJ2. I think it's safe to say he was SSJ in RoF, and him being weaker now and not having his mystic form these days probably helps back that up.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:16 pm

Grimlock wrote:Electricity appears even when Bardock and Vegeto turn Super Saiyan... Judging by the anime is not your best option (although the electricity appear in the manga for Vegeto, but we know the truth :roll:), you should check the manga. And in the manga, there isn't any electricity present.
Yeah! I'm actually going to read the manga from scratch since I've never read it before! Then I can note the differences in the anime. ~

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:20 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:
Grimlock wrote:Electricity appears even when Bardock and Vegeto turn Super Saiyan... Judging by the anime is not your best option (although the electricity appear in the manga for Vegeto, but we know the truth :roll:), you should check the manga. And in the manga, there isn't any electricity present.
Yeah! I'm actually going to read the manga from scratch since I've never read it before! Then I can note the differences in the anime. ~
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The anime definitely leaves some things to be desired in terms of understanding the intended story fully.
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by z_cherub » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:42 pm

GodKaio-Ken wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:
Grimlock wrote:Electricity appears even when Bardock and Vegeto turn Super Saiyan... Judging by the anime is not your best option (although the electricity appear in the manga for Vegeto, but we know the truth :roll:), you should check the manga. And in the manga, there isn't any electricity present.
Yeah! I'm actually going to read the manga from scratch since I've never read it before! Then I can note the differences in the anime. ~
I just started myself and I can say its really worth it. My issue has been I insist on buying all the chapters in physical form so I'm only on the third Shonen Jump/Viz volume.

The anime definitely leaves some things to be desired in terms of understanding the intended story fully.
I've started as well. Watched the anime all the way through for the first time 15 years ago and am just now getting to reading the manga. Just finished Piccolo, Jr. fight. I'm pissed that there's no completely uncensored version in English, so I've bought them all, but I'm ripping unedited versions of the chapters that have edits. Also, Viz's translation is sketchy at best at some points....

On topic: Gohan has always had his SSJ/2 look change with his hairstyle, and it's always been difficult to tell them apart (at least since the Boo arc). Electricity is usually the biggest clue (though not gospel) since toei usesuses inconsistent colors and lines for his ssj/2 hair.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by KingKaash » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:08 am

Grimlock wrote:There wasn't any lightning in the manga, so Gohan was just Super Saiyan in his fight against Dabura. And according to the image below, he used Super Saiyan 2 against Broly.

[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

And by the way, Gohan wasn't using Super Saiyan 2 while training in Kaioshin's planet.
I thought I had read Gohan went SSJ2 against Dabura. But I guess I'm wrong
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Grimlock » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:42 am

If I'm not mistaken, Daizenshuu 7 says Gohan fought Dabura as Super Saiyan 2. But as far as we know, Toriyama never forgot to add lightnings whenever Super Saiyan 2 was being used, mainly when the character was still. If you see the whole fight of Gohan and Dabura in the manga, you won't see any lightnings around him, so he was using just the Super Saiyan form.
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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by HybridSaiyan » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:42 am

So the only time Gohan uses SSJ2 as an adult within the manga was against Kabito?

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Also, this image basically confirms he was SSJ2 in the Broly movie when he transformed because he only uses SSJ for the Kamehameha

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by Grimlock » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:43 am

You are correct, HybridSaiyan.

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Re: Gohan's SSJ / SSJ2 design

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:36 pm

He was probably normal Super Saiyan both resurrection of f and super have been wildly inconsistent.

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