Could Goku still ride the Nimbus?

[Krillin1994]

If I remember correctly the last time we see Goku use the nimbus is when he's travelling to the battlefield in the Saiyan saga.

I know in the previous Super ending he uses the Nimbus but I've been thinking and I reckon there are occasion's since then where Goku has shown less than total purity of heart especially in the Buu saga.

Big ones that spring to mind

Soliciting Bulma to the Old Kai.
Threatening to destroy the Kaioshin if he didn't let him fight Vegeta.
Lots of snide/wiseass comments to the Kaioshin about him being out of a job etc when Old Kai is released.

Does anybody else have any thoughts of actions by Goku which would negatively impact his ability to ride the Nimbus?

[Nejishiki]

He should still be pure of heart. However, I don't think purity of one's heart directly translates to being without fault. That is, one can be pure but still capable of questionable activities because the Kinto'un doesn't judge the user by their actions, but rather their intentions. Goku, never having a malicious heart, would not be subject to how the magical cloud judges him. With that in mind, one should remember the standards of Dragon World do not reflect our planet. Vegeta had been able to escape Hell from a wish due to his recent actions, so it's not as strict as one would commonly believe.

[Krillin1994]

But we know that a pure hearted person can become impure just look at Roshi who once could ride the nimbus.

[FoolsGil]

Considering Goku didn't care about murder when he was a kid, and still ride the Nimbus, I think even after the Buu Saga he could ride it still.

[Nejishiki]

The Turtle Hermit refuses to give up his magazines. If we're going to use examples from when Goku was still flying with Kinto'un, then look no further with the incident where Tambourine killed Kuririn and his heart was filled with murderous infliction, yet it was wasn't judged as malicious intent by Kinto'un. A pure heart is much more than your immediate actions in Dragon World.

[Krillin1994]

That is very valid.

I think I may change this to actions by Goku which seem impure or something along those lines.

[Dbzfan94]

Not counting that one Super ending, Goku is an asshole now so I don't think so But he did ride it at the very end of GT so signs points to yes

[Captain Strawberry]

Not counting that one Super ending, Goku is an asshole now so I don't think so But he did ride it at the very end of GT so signs points to yes

Goku was out to murder a demon underling from Piccolo and he could still ride it.

[TheGreatness25]

Goku is still pure-hearted. He always said or did things that were "assholey." He said he didn't want to touch Bulma's "dirty butt" ... and that's after he tried to kill her. I think it's like a kid -- when he says or does things, he's not thinking through them; he just says whatever comes to his mind. I can't speak for Super, of course.

[Dbzfan94]

Not counting that one Super ending, Goku is an asshole now so I don't think so But he did ride it at the very end of GT so signs points to yes

Goku was out to murder a demon underling from Piccolo and he could still ride it.

Out to kill a demon for killing his best friend. Nothing wrong with that. I was kidding anyway.

[Draconic]

Goku has a pure heart in the sense that his intentions are purely about getting stronger, which is consistent from the very beginning of the series right to the end of it. He can still 100% ride it.

[Captain Strawberry]

Goku has a pure heart in the sense that his intentions are purely about getting stronger, which is consistent from the very beginning of the series right to the end of it. He can still 100% ride it.

I fully agree.

[Krillin1994]

I don't think Goku was solely dedicated to getting stronger in the first arc of DB, he practiced martial arts but we presume that's just so he can be strong enough to defeat things to eat them. He was just excited about going on an adventure for the most part.

Also his fight against the RRA wasn't about getting stronger it was to get his 4 star ball back. He only had to get stronger to avenge Upa's father.

The reason he went to Kami wasn't about getting stronger it was to right things. If I'm remembering correctly the dragon getting restored would only happen if Goku got trained.

I think the dedication to getting stronger only came about in DBZ.

But even then if he really desired it he could have spent another year training before the cell games began.

[Black Hawk]

Kind of makes me wonder if Vegeta could have ridden Kinto'un when his heart was pure...evil.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Kind of makes me wonder if Vegeta could have ridden Kinto'un when his heart was pure...evil.

Yes he could. The black one anyways

I don't think goku will ever stop being pure like roshi. I think chi0chi shouldn't be able to ride it though,.....

[floofychan333]

Goku hasn't needed to ride it since the Saiyajins showed up. I don't think anybody would have any use for it now because I'm sure Mr Satan isn't pure of heart

[Krillin1994]

Gohan used it to go to High School.

It would be nice to see Pan playing with it in an episode even though she can fly.

[simtek34]

Didn't Gohan give it to Goten after he got his Great Sayaman costume from Bulma? Then Goten learned how to fly with Videl. Why don't they just let Chi-Chi have it now that the boys can all fly, unless they teach Chi-Chi how to fly.

Speaking of which, why Han nobody taught Hercule and Roshi how to fly. They could use it.

I just realized I am so far of topic from talking about Goku still riding it.

[dbzfan7]

Of course they can. You think they'd actually paint Goku in a bad light, despite his actions? He's hardly ever called out so I'm sure by virtue of corporate protection, he can still ride it just fine.

[MaxZ]

Probably, yeah.

Also, I'm of the belief that Krillin could ride it as an adult as well. Probably Piccolo too, ever since he fused with Kami.