What material is included in Super but is NOT by Toriyama?

[GodKaio-Ken]

The anime and manga arent THAT different. The themes, ideas, results and so forth are the same. Yes there are differences as well like KKx10 in the anime vs SSG in the manga...but most likely the outline doesn't specify exactly how the fight goes. Rather just the results.

[TheMikado]

The anime and manga arent THAT different. The themes, ideas, results and so forth are the same. Yes there are differences as well like KKx10 in the anime vs SSG in the manga...but most likely the outline doesn't specify exactly how the fight goes. Rather just the results.

I think that's what everyone is saying, you could easily summarize all the arcs on a single sheet of paper and come up with works similar to the magna or anime. The differences are large enough where there seems to be a large absence of detail.

For instance, Pilaf and gang go to the tournament in the magna but not the anime. They also suddenly disappear in the magna.
The line in the outline probably literally says "Friends and family" attend tournament. Leaving it pretty open interpretation rather than listing who shows up.

[GodKaio-Ken]

The anime and manga arent THAT different. The themes, ideas, results and so forth are the same. Yes there are differences as well like KKx10 in the anime vs SSG in the manga...but most likely the outline doesn't specify exactly how the fight goes. Rather just the results.

I think that's what everyone is saying, you could easily summarize all the arcs on a single sheet of paper and come up with works similar to the magna or anime. The differences are large enough where there seems to be a large absence of detail.

For instance, Pilaf and gang go to the tournament in the magna but not the anime. They also suddenly disappear in the magna.
The line in the outline probably literally says "Friends and family" attend tournament. Leaving it pretty open interpretation rather than listing who shows up.

I don't really consider it a large absence of detail though personally. I mean maybe he wrote "Goku and Hit fight evenly pushing eachothers limits. In the end Goku decides the fight isn't fair because Hit can't use his assassin abilities to the fullest. Goku jumps out of the ring eliminating himself" To me this is enough detail to say he created it.

Granted this is just an example...but something I could see based on the similarities. Also it would seem he writes some sort of outline for each character that appears in both versions since they share traits.

This post is all speculation based on my personal logic of course, so use that as a disclaimer.

[TheMikado]

Theres two components of this creation that I'm actually referencing.

1) the origination of the concept. I.e. the whole idea of Gods of destruction and what not which he states he didn't create
2) the expounding on the concept which we also do not know the degree of which

At this point we know there are several concepts that he didn't come up with and were pre existing ideas from Toei. It could have been one or two or it could have been all of them. We don't know. We also know he wrote an outline, but we dont know how much of that outline pre existed as Toei concept and how much he added, edited, or changed.
The entire Champa arc could have been invented by Toei and Toriyama just wrote a vague outline on how he thinks it should play out in a general sense, or he could have conceived the entire thing in his head and wrote it done. We don't know. Given how much Toei trumpets Toriyamas involvement I would suspect if it were anything above 50% from Toriyama they would totally be trumpeting that it was almost all done by Toriyama.

These are of course my opinions but I feel if there was substantial involvement we would know about it.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Do you agree with the idea that if it is featured in both the anime and manga it is a Toriyama plot point? Just curious. Its an interesting discussion.

[MCDaveG]

Do you agree with the idea that if it is featured in both the anime and manga it is a Toriyama plot point? Just curious. Its an interesting discussion.

I don't agree with it, because that manga is done by Toyotaro, who is not Toriyama and we don't even know, how much involvement Toriyama (if he has to make an aproval or meets the artist on briefings) has in the manga
or how the process of making the manga with Toyotaro works. Does he adapt the anime scripts? Or original Toriyama scripts? Is he faithful or does he ads his own elements?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

AT rewrote BoG's script like the movie? Do we know why and what he changed?

He changed almost everything. Scroll down to "Original Draft/Design Concepts".

^ I think that's where I'm getting at. Toriyama didn't approach Toei and say I've got this great idea for a new DBZ movie.

Toei (to my knowledge and what's implied in interviews) literally wrote a draft scrip without Toriyama input at all and said Hey we've got this idea to make Goku a God and fight Gods of destruction since that seems to be in right now. We need your involvement in this.

My point is that this ridiculous idea of canon and creators intentions as some sort of purity test is incredibly ridiculous due to the fact that much of the newer scenarios and plot ideas ARENT Toriyama's ideas!

It wasn't even his idea to go into the God realms like this at all. This isn't some burning story he wanted to tell to continue the series. It was pitched to Toriyama by Toei writers and executives. I'm not complaining about it at all but the idea that all this concepts sprang from Toriyams God Sensei incredibly creative mind is fanatism and fan fiction. It's really just super weird to take that approach because his name is vaguely attached to the project.

I don't understand what you are trying to prove. Toriyama wrote the original manga because his editor forced him, and it was based on Journey of the West, not in an original idea he had, and after the first story arc, he came up with completely original stories. Same way BoG, FnF, and Super were written. The difference with BoG is that he forced himself to get so heavily involved, he wasn't asked by Toei. Toei just sent him their script to make corrections if he feels they are necessary, and he went and rewrote the whole thing without anyone asking him to do it.

The anime and manga arent THAT different. The themes, ideas, results and so forth are the same. Yes there are differences as well like KKx10 in the anime vs SSG in the manga...but most likely the outline doesn't specify exactly how the fight goes. Rather just the results.

Even while writing the movies, Toriyama said that he prefers to leave the fights to the animators.

Err, not really in the ultimate and universal way you claim it to be. Your "factual truth" is an incredibly foggy thing. Neither does is tell us how much he was involved in the writing process nor do we no what the "factual truth" here is. If I want to write a story about a sad bear who wants to see the world and I write a brief summary because I don't have the time, dedication or skill and then decide to write something, maybe even only consisting of some core aspects, then I have written something, yes. That does not make me the ultimate story writer though. If there was a guy or many guys after that who actually flesh it out, et cetera,then they might even end up being more of the writers than me. Toriyama-san has written "something"; yes. But even a person that says "here, I have those 10 points, write a story about it" has written something. You cannot be serious that that person is more of a writer than the person who has to build a story based on those 10 points. Seeing how many moments are even incredibly different in manga and anime we can conclude that some of those moments mentioned by Toriyama-san even consist of stuff like "Goku fights Hit. Hit can freeze time. In the end, Goku gives up." And that's it. And if we want to be really honest - we do not even know how much inspiration Toyble gets from the anime. So it might even be possible that some of the things that are similiar were not even included as bullet points. We do not know how big Toriyama-san's involvement is. And we will not know it as long as they don't say it. That was done on purpose so people would think "oh he is involved, that means he does everything". And it is Toei wanting Toriyama-san to be involved here, not vice-versa. So they take what they get. And as things are, Toriyama-san could have written just bullet points or short drafts/summaries/whatever and the rest of the writers could still have to flesh it out completely, maybe even add half of Dragon Ball Super to it. Totally unknown. Do not believe he wrote everything plus the dialogue around it.

Compare the manga & the anime. Outside the fights, details, and filler, the rest are almost exactly the same. The core story is the same. He isn't writing the scripts, or the fights in detail, but he is writing the story. He isn't designing everything, but he designs the characters among a few other things (such as Jaco's new spaceship). Toriyama is the core of Super. We've been told that he writes the plot anyway, not just "bullet points":

Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
Toriyama:
That’s right.
Toyotarō:
Since Chapter 1 I’ve used Toriyama-sensei‘s plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.
Toriyama:
It’s better that way.

[Cetra]

Compare the manga & the anime. Outside the fights, details, and filler, the rest are almost exactly the same. The core story is the same. He isn't writing the scripts, or the fights in detail, but he is writing the story. He isn't designing everything, but he designs the characters among a few other things (such as Jaco's new spaceship). Toriyama is the core of Super. We've been told that he writes the plot anyway, not just "bullet points":

I have a hard time believing that you actually read my posts. You are using the term "core". If you check my posts you can find me using words and explanations like these as well. And that, believe it or not, can be a part of bullet points, drafts or summaries. As in, you have no intention to write a x pages script/scenario/screenplay. But you want to mention important things that it consists of. So you write something way shorter. Now you're handing it over to me to complete it. And what results then is the story. He is responsible for an essential part of it but what you guys are doing hereis heavily discrediting/disrespecting others who are also working on Dragon Ball. The essence can also be called story, as obviously it is the essence. That does not make it all and everything.

[TheMikado]

[I don't understand what you are trying to prove. Toriyama wrote the original manga because his editor forced him, and it was based on Journey of the West, not in an original idea he had, and after the first story arc, he came up with completely original stories. Same way BoG, FnF, and Super were written. The difference with BoG is that he forced himself to get so heavily involved, he wasn't asked by Toei. Toei just sent him their script to make corrections if he feels they are necessary, and he went and rewrote the whole thing without anyone asking him to do it.

I'm not sure what you are confused about. Also I wasn't aware that Toriyama was "forced" by his editor to write an original manga. Is that true? Where can I see that?

Also the point in making is that this is nothing like being "inspired" by a work like journey to the west. They literally already had everything from story, theme, characters, etc. already written. Like you said Toriyama chose to get involved which is for the better, but applying that to the rest of Super is wrong. It's very likely that the rest of Super's production is following how the originally planned. We write something up and send it to Toryiama for final checks and suggestions and do it. It just as likely Toriyama contributed little more to Super. We have no idea is my point and applying or thinking that he's making the same changes in the Super anime or he has same level of involvement is not a correct assumption to make in anyway shape or form.

[Miracles]

Doesn't matter if Toriyama is alone or with 100 people, he has "written" the story for Super.
This tells us how much he is involved, this has nothing to do with vague, but factual truth.

Err, not really in the ultimate and universal way you claim it to be. Your "factual truth" is an incredibly foggy thing. Neither does is tell us how much he was involved in the writing process nor do we no what the "factual truth" here is. If I want to write a story about a sad bear who wants to see the world and I write a brief summary because I don't have the time, dedication or skill and then decide to write something, maybe even only consisting of some core aspects, then I have written something, yes. That does not make me the ultimate story writer though. If there was a guy or many guys after that who actually flesh it out, et cetera,then they might even end up being more of the writers than me. Toriyama-san has written "something"; yes. But even a person that says "here, I have those 10 points, write a story about it" has written something. You cannot be serious that that person is more of a writer than the person who has to build a story based on those 10 points. Seeing how many moments are even incredibly different in manga and anime we can conclude that some of those moments mentioned by Toriyama-san even consist of stuff like "Goku fights Hit. Hit can freeze time. In the end, Goku gives up." And that's it. And if we want to be really honest - we do not even know how much inspiration Toyble gets from the anime. So it might even be possible that some of the things that are similiar were not even included as bullet points. We do not know how big Toriyama-san's involvement is. And we will not know it as long as they don't say it. That was done on purpose so people would think "oh he is involved, that means he does everything". And it is Toei wanting Toriyama-san to be involved here, not vice-versa. So they take what they get. And as things are, Toriyama-san could have written just bullet points or short drafts/summaries/whatever and the rest of the writers could still have to flesh it out completely, maybe even add half of Dragon Ball Super to it. Totally unknown. Do not believe he wrote everything plus the dialogue around it.

Whatever is added to Toriyama's "written" story by others it's done under his supervision. He is the "overseer" of his "entire plot's" direction. So yes, this is still his story, no matter how many touch it. Regardless of how you say it's not because others touch it, we know for a fact that Toriyama wrote the plot and checks whatever he didn't write. That alone makes him still the ultimate story writer here. His wishes are being put on paper by his hands and then through the hands of others. You aren't posting anything but forced hypothetical's that does not discredit Toriyama's statements about Super being HIS story in any way.

[mikezilla2]

good info thanks KOSDH

[Cetra]

Regardless of how you say it's not because others touch it, we know for a fact that Toriyama wrote the plot and checks whatever he didn't write..

This will be my last post here because you obviously have no intention to actually read what someone writes. Otherwise you would have easily understood that my post did not even remotely imply that it is not his story but that it is not just all thanks to him alone as well as a fact that you are the one making the assumptions here about his involvement, masking it as a claim about you factually knowing that he did x, y and z. And that has nothing to do with me "forcing" anything. Really everything you wrote was a baseless claim about Toriyama-san's involvement, following the sentence "this is a fact/this is truth" just to support your view that you can only enjoy something if you convince yourself that it came from Toriyama-san. That does not change the fact, that no one, not you, not me and not the rest of kanzenshuu knows about the exact scale of Toriyama-san's involvement. Speaking about hypothetical situations is the way to go here simply because the interviews made were far from clear and just vague enough so people knew "okay he worked on it". Of course he does oversee the production. I would do that as well if I'd want my ideas to be done in the most accurate way. That does not change the fact that Dragon Ball is not just his baby alone and no matter how much you dislike that, it will always be that way. So you should just stop saying "we know for a fact" because we do not. And yes, that also means you do not. We know he wrote an essential part of it. We do not know exactly what that looked like and considering that very often Toei even comes up asking him to bring in element x, that is even more convoluted, because that ultimately means, they have an idea, he writes a bit about that idea and then possibly they even expand on that idea. There is not such thing as "we know for a fact that he did that ..." He is involved and he is an important writer who writes bases. And that is what we know. At this point you are really only trying to convince yourself because any other possibility cannot fit with your view of how Dragon Ball ideas cannot be great or enjoyable if they are not from the original creator of Dragon Ball itself (there is also a good reason why every individual episode of Super has a different writer mentioned that is not Toriyama-san; because even with base points of Toriyama-san that is still not the end result of how the story is presented; not completely usable for episodes). And as said, the ideas sometimes aren't even his own either. I do not claim anything as a fact other than "he obviously works on it, he is to credit for it". I however would never say I know what exactly that work looks like, you are also totally ignoring that words like "plot", "outline", et cetera are not unequivocal and say nothing about the scale (also quite irrelevant to use those words as counter-argument because you are taking it from Herms and even Herms himself said it is not clear how great the involvement is, he does use the word "outline" and stuff but he himself has a hard time to assume what the internal working process looks like, therefore he continued to clearly word his comments as assumptions while talking to geekdom). By the way, even if I am the overseer of something and have the final say in something, if someone writes something and I say "I accept it" then it still will not make me the one who wrote it. No one here says he didn't do anything so don't try to make people look like that. People are just fair to post exactly what we know: Nothing but vague details (btw. someone who says "here I have written 2 pages about what should be involved now write 100s of pages about that" is not more of a story writer than the one who has to write it in the end; by quoting my post and still saying no you are incredibly offending to the people who are in such a position because, as said, having an overseer still won't make the overseer write that stuff). I have no hope though that this argument leads to another reply that claims its the truth that we know Toriyama-san is the writer, et cetera so as said, this is my last post.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Whatever is added to Toriyama's "written" story by others it's done under his supervision. He is the "overseer" of his "entire plot's" direction. So yes, this is still his story, no matter how many touch it.

He supervises the manga, but not the anime. For the manga, he supervises it page-by-page & will even redraw something if he likes to. For the anime, he said that he hasn't even read the final scripts yet back when the Future Trunks arc was announced.

I'm not sure what you are confused about. Also I wasn't aware that Toriyama was "forced" by his editor to write an original manga. Is that true? Where can I see that?

He definitely said it somewhere, but I don't remember where. His editor told him to either continue with Dr. Slump, or make a new manga. Since he had ran out of ideas for Dr. Slump, he went & made Dragon Ball.

[Nejishiki]

That information is from the fourth Chozenshu.

What sort of preparations did you make prior to Dragon Ball’s serialization?
I only managed to get three months’ time from the end of Dr. Slump’s serialization, so there were no preparations or anything. That’s because I’d promised, as a condition of ending the relatively popular Dr. Slump, that I’d start my next serial right away. I did go on a trip to China with my wife, but that was merely a personal thing. Although, it did come in handy as a result.

You also drew Neko Majin and such around this time, right?
I like the relaxed silliness of Neko Majin. But I originally drew it intending it to be a one-shot with just a single chapter, so I didn’t feel like it could continue for so many chapters. The reason I started inserting Dragon Ball parody into it is probably because I started to hurt for material and ran away [from the original premise]. In my comics, if I bring out the author’s likes too strongly, it won’t be very popular to begin with, so it’s difficult to keep things in moderation. In other words, the hits Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball were works that I drew while suppressing my own preferences. I really have to thank Torishima-san, my editor at the time, for that.
In the case of Slump, before the start of serialization, I drew it intending the Doctor to be the main character. But Torishima-san told me that he wanted me to turn Arale-chan into the main character, and I remember that I resisted: “What? A girl as the main character?”

In the case of Dragon Ball, at the time I had exhausted my material for Dr. Slump and wanted to end it, but it was popular so I couldn’t. At that rough point, Torishima-san, who had learned that I liked Kung-Fu movies and often watched them, suggested to me, “If you like them that much, why don’t you draw a Kung-Fu comic? If it’s interesting, I’ll even let you end Dr. Slump.” That was a lifesaver as it was, but it was on the condition that “you have to start right on it in three months,” so I had almost no break, since I had other work and such, and I had no choice but to start drawing without clearly deciding on the contents. As a result, I suppose the fact that I didn’t even have time to think about this or that of my own preferences was actually a good thing. (laughs)

[TheMikado]

Ok that's pretty different from being "forced". It sounds like Toriyama wanted to do something different and the editor gave him an option or an out from Dr. Slump. It didn't have to be Dragonball specifically as long as it was good.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Anyway, what you want to say is that BoG/FnF/Super are not part of Toriyama's story?

[TheMikado]

Anyway, what you want to say is that BoG/FnF/Super are not part of Toriyama's story?

I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but what I'm saying is that the argument of canonicity is ridiculous due to the preproduction of Super. Many of the same arguments made about GT can be made for Super. The advantage that Super has is that it used repelling a of two movie which although the were not Toriyamas ideas, did include his input to a substantial degree in at least BoG. People are carrying this over to mean he applied this same level of detail to all of Super which is a fallacy and we do not know the full extent to which he is involved in Super the anime. We know some sort of overview/outline exists however judging from the divergences in anime and manga, it would be fair to logically conclude this outline is most likely minimal and Toriyama possibly has little connection to the ongoing production of the Super anime.
This again is based on his comments and surprise of some of the end results of the Super anime.

Basically the idea that Toriyama is intimately involved with the Super anime is most likely false and most interviews and evidence point to a level of hands off involvement on the Super Anime which could be closer to his involvement with GT than his involvement with the original Dragonball or Dragonball Z anime.

Just so it's clear, I am well aware Toriyama wrote an "outline" as opposed to GT, however I am stating that we do not know the extent that the outline was preconceived. If it's similar to BOG production much of it may have been idea and concepts developed by Toei and just asked him to put it together in an overview of how he would see things playing out. Fortunately for BOG we got him changing a significant portion of it, but there is no guarantee that that level of involvement is still occurring or that the concepts are whole original from Toriyama himself rather than something Toei wanted to do and needed Toriyamas stamp of approval on.

[Miracles]

Regardless of how you say it's not because others touch it, we know for a fact that Toriyama wrote the plot and checks whatever he didn't write..

This will be my last post here because you obviously have no intention to actually read what someone writes. Otherwise you would have easily understood that my post did not even remotely imply that it is not his story but that it is not just all thanks to him alone as well as a fact that you are the one making the assumptions here about his involvement, masking it as a claim about you factually knowing that he did x, y and z. And that has nothing to do with me "forcing" anything. Really everything you wrote was a baseless claim about Toriyama-san's involvement, following the sentence "this is a fact/this is truth" just to support your view that you can only enjoy something if you convince yourself that it came from Toriyama-san. That does not change the fact, that no one, not you, not me and not the rest of kanzenshuu knows about the exact scale of Toriyama-san's involvement. Speaking about hypothetical situations is the way to go here simply because the interviews made were far from clear and just vague enough so people knew "okay he worked on it". Of course he does oversee the production. I would do that as well if I'd want my ideas to be done in the most accurate way. That does not change the fact that Dragon Ball is not just his baby alone and no matter how much you dislike that, it will always be that way. So you should just stop saying "we know for a fact" because we do not. And yes, that also means you do not. We know he wrote an essential part of it. We do not know exactly what that looked like and considering that very often Toei even comes up asking him to bring in element x, that is even more convoluted, because that ultimately means, they have an idea, he writes a bit about that idea and then possibly they even expand on that idea. There is not such thing as "we know for a fact that he did that ..." He is involved and he is an important writer who writes bases. And that is what we know. At this point you are really only trying to convince yourself because any other possibility cannot fit with your view of how Dragon Ball ideas cannot be great or enjoyable if they are not from the original creator of Dragon Ball itself (there is also a good reason why every individual episode of Super has a different writer mentioned that is not Toriyama-san; because even with base points of Toriyama-san that is still not the end result of how the story is presented; not completely usable for episodes). And as said, the ideas sometimes aren't even his own either. I do not claim anything as a fact other than "he obviously works on it, he is to credit for it". I however would never say I know what exactly that work looks like, you are also totally ignoring that words like "plot", "outline", et cetera are not unequivocal and say nothing about the scale (also quite irrelevant to use those words as counter-argument because you are taking it from Herms and even Herms himself said it is not clear how great the involvement is, he does use the word "outline" and stuff but he himself has a hard time to assume what the internal working process looks like, therefore he continued to clearly word his comments as assumptions while talking to geekdom). By the way, even if I am the overseer of something and have the final say in something, if someone writes something and I say "I accept it" then it still will not make me the one who wrote it. No one here says he didn't do anything so don't try to make people look like that. People are just fair to post exactly what we know: Nothing but vague details (btw. someone who says "here I have written 2 pages about what should be involved now write 100s of pages about that" is not more of a story writer than the one who has to write it in the end; by quoting my post and still saying no you are incredibly offending to the people who are in such a position because, as said, having an overseer still won't make the overseer write that stuff). I have no hope though that this argument leads to another reply that claims its the truth that we know Toriyama-san is the writer, et cetera so as said, this is my last post.

I read what you wrote try reading and understanding what others wrote. First you say we don't know how involved Toriyama's writing is, Toriyama says he wrote the story [This is a fact], then you say how much of it though, it's vague? Toriyama says the "outline's for the plots", you then assume [This is where you got mixed up] I believe Toriyama wrote everything, you tell me others expand; change things he wrote, even giving me unnecessary examples. Then I post, yes we know that; Toriyama even says that they change things because it is "necessary", It is approved by him and "overseen" by him. Bullet points or summary, whatever Toriyama wrote that is the core for the Dragonball Super story, the anime follows his guidelines, he gave it the ok, to do whatever with it. If you can not understand that with all these blatant truths, Super is still Toriyama's story, we need to stop this discussion.

He supervises the manga, but not the anime. For the manga, he supervises it page-by-page & will even redraw something if he likes to. For the anime, he said that he hasn't even read the final scripts yet back when the Future Trunks arc was announced.

Yeah you are right, but he said "Yet," which implies that Toriyama does indeed check the anime like officially stated...
http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Pre ... _ENG_0.pdf

[TheMikado]

^ look did you read at all what I showed you about Toriyamas involvement in BoGs the project which he is stated to have the MOST involvement in??

The STORY came from Toei and was already put together. The concept of making God a God and the creation of Gods of Destruction were already handed to Toriyama before he even thought of anything. Did he rewrite most of it? Yes! The point I am making is that this is NOTHING like his original run on DBZ and DB where he is literally designing the characters and concepts from scratch. Yes he took inspiration from other older stories but NOTHING like being handed an entire pre written story and then adapting it. You're applying that blanket "story" too widely. We know that Toei and its writers are handing him concepts and we have no idea how much he takes and how much he leaves. He may change 100% he make change 0. We don't know, be we do know he is being funneled concepts and story points from Toei. We just have no idea how much and that's kept vague on purpose.

[Draconic]

People are overrating Toriyama supervising the manga. He supevises the storyboards, not the dialogue. He only redrew one page and that had nothing to do with the story. The manga doesn't have filler so it goes trough his bullet points faster so he probably just makes sure those are kept. He gave free reign to Toyotaro to add stuff, so most of the times he probably just glosses over them, as long as his story is kept intact. He probably does the same with the anime. Makes sure the story is still the same, while whatever Toei adds he welcomes as it ties everything together better for a serialized format, rather than an outline. He doesn't watch over the animation, as he clearly states he lets the animators do their job with it and it wouldn't make any sense for him to oversee it as he isn't an animator anyway. With the manga he can look over the storyboards since he is a manga artist, so that's his cup of tea. Let's not act like Toriyama is sitting close to Toyotaro and approving every little detail the guy adds because that certainly isn't true. He doesn't do that for the anime either, so none is more valid than the other. Whatever is in both versions is from him, whatever is not, isn't. Simple. He doesn't approve of Goku using KKx10 or SSG returning, he just lets his co-creators flesh out the story and is probably ok with all of it. If he enjoys a version more than the other, or is happier with some changes above the others we don't know and doesn't really matter. Key moments/dialogue/fights are his, how the dots are connected isn't.