Which version of Super is the more official

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Floader » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:47 pm

So basically, just what the topic states. I'm just curious which version of Super consider to be the more official because the television show and the manga have been drastically different (ex. Goku SSB KKx10 vs Hit). So what do you think and why?

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:49 pm

Someone said it in another thread: whichever you like better. It's all headcanon.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Floader » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:55 pm

Does AT have more involvement/input in the story for 1 vs the other?

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:16 pm

Floader wrote:Does AT have more involvement/input in the story for 1 vs the other?
As far as I/we know, he makes the outline and Toei and Toyotarou expand on it respectively, changing things up. So, simple answer, no.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Grimlock » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:36 pm

There's no such thing as "more official", everything is official (apart from fans' things, of course).

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:19 pm

I would say the anime since the manga is supposed to be just a backup/side project for it.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Nejishiki » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:04 pm

Both adaptions of Toriyama's draft have been acknowledged as the official continuation to his story. Advertisement and his own words have said as much.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by theherodjl » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:27 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:I would say the anime since the manga is supposed to be just a backup/side project for it.
The manga briefly shot ahead of the anime in introducing Champa and the universal tournament first and as of chapter 15 they are just about to get going towards the future and Whis has already explained that Kaioshin and Beerus' lives are intertwined.
I'd say the manga is the faster variant of the series.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by 404FILENOTFOUND » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:57 pm

Why can't this form en mass send AT letters what even IS super? I'm sure he would be glad to clear things up but I doubt thats how it works



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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Floader » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:34 am

The manga seems to make the most sense in terms of progression and consistency personally. Just curious if there was any definitive answer

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Nejishiki » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:40 am

We definitely know that Akira Toriyama approves of both the anime and manga, providing minor criticism of both adaptions. That's the best answer you can hope for in relation to Dragon Ball Super's direction. They're both official, though I suspect that may not be the answer you wanted. It's true, nonetheless.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Kishido » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:32 pm

You have decide it on your own. But personally I take the anime.

Why without TOEI even funding a new series and movies we never would have Toriyama soon ideas for a new series after all. No super manga either.

While I blame TOEI for a lot I thank them for bringing DB back.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:52 pm

I would say the anime is the main product, but everything else like manga, staff comments and games are official. The anime, mainly because of the authority of the companies behind it, and the manga, because it's put in high regard by Mr. Toriyama himself.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by TheMikado » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:37 pm

This is my head canon but they are both Toei creations, it seems Toriyama is more involved in the manga based on statements about reviewing it and statements about not seeing scripts of the anime.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Boo Machine » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:04 pm

I just accept both as official, because why not?

I find both enjoyable and my world won't blow up if there are inconsistencies.
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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:24 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Floader wrote:Does AT have more involvement/input in the story for 1 vs the other?
As far as I/we know, he makes the outline and Toei and Toyotarou expand on it respectively, changing things up. So, simple answer, no.
Actually, he is a little more involved with the manga. For the manga, he approves it page-by-page, and will even personally makes corrections whenever he feels it's necessary. For the anime, he is only providing the story drafts, and he hadn't even seen the final scripts when the new arc was announced, meaning he doesn't approve them first.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Marlowe89 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:31 pm

Floader wrote:So basically, just what the topic states. I'm just curious which version of Super consider to be the more official because the television show and the manga have been drastically different (ex. Goku SSB KKx10 vs Hit). So what do you think and why?
They're both official, but in terms of merchandising, the anime is the main product whereas the manga is somewhat of a companion.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Alee9977 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:38 pm

Sorry If I'm a little ignorant but why isn't Toriyama drawing DBS manga? Toyotaro is the one in charge of the manga but we know that Toriyama has corrected and even made some pages for the manga, so can anyone explain to me why he isn't drawing his own manga? :D

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:57 pm

Alee9977 wrote:Sorry If I'm a little ignorant but why isn't Toriyama drawing DBS manga? Toyotaro is the one in charge of the manga but we know that Toriyama has corrected and even made some pages for the manga, so can anyone explain to me why he isn't drawing his own manga? :D
From what he has said in other interviews, he enjoys writing stories, but it is too much trouble for him, and he can't draw fighting scenes like he used to.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Which version of Super is the more official

Post by Derf » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:37 pm

Again, it's all head cannon, but what I've personally been doing is this:

Take the manga. Take the anime. Compare them and the events that happen nearly identically in both are very likely directly lifted from Akira Toriyama's outline. That's the purest DBS canon you can possibly get.

It leaves some holes for sure, but I just fill them in with whatever I like better in that one particular instance.

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