Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:31 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I am really glad Sumitomo didn't ruin Shida's cut. Can you imagine if something like that cheesy Goku arrival music played? :lol:
Please stop :lol: I'm laughing just thinking about it. But I know an even worse song by him that could be placed in that cut. Now, just let that settle into ya mind for a bit :twisted:
Call me weird but I liked it.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by Noah » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:08 pm

Do someone has that shot of Black's Shunkan Idou? So priceless
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by ArchedThunder » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:41 am

Noah wrote:Do someone has that shot of Black's Shunkan Idou? So priceless
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:45 am

Just watched the episode again in HD and I have to say the first 12 minutes of the episode have some of best animation and fight choreography the franchise has ever seen. I mean, Studio Cockpit-level animation and fight choreography. The Shida cut alone is better than anything I've ever seen in the DB, Z, GT, the TV specials or the movies.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by kinisking » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:24 am

The only thing I hate about Shida's cut is that everyone is obsessing over it and not giving enough credit to the other animators working on the episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by alyx_20 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:49 am

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Noah wrote:Do someone has that shot of Black's Shunkan Idou? So priceless
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Oh man, that face is priceless. :o

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Post by Sodhi » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:53 am

Any ideas as to who this could have been?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:57 am

kinisking wrote:The only thing I hate about Shida's cut is that everyone is obsessing over it and not giving enough credit to the other animators working on the episode.
The others didn't turn in particularly good work. Higashide is still running around turning in quickly scribbled out work that doesn't match his work elsewhere. Even though Shida wasn't at his best he still managed to turn in something exciting. All of the other battle animation looks like a house made out of poorly tied together sticks.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by Ajay » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:02 pm

Sodhi wrote:Any ideas as to who this could have been?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by Sodhi » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:11 pm

Thanks. I really liked the detail on it.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by kinisking » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:12 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
kinisking wrote:The only thing I hate about Shida's cut is that everyone is obsessing over it and not giving enough credit to the other animators working on the episode.
The others didn't turn in particularly good work. Higashide is still running around turning in quickly scribbled out work that doesn't match his work elsewhere. Even though Shida wasn't at his best he still managed to turn in something exciting. All of the other battle animation looks like a house made out of poorly tied together sticks.
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These are all great. The entire episode was awesome. From a pure animation stand point, they might not match up to Shida's cut but they're visually exciting at least imo. When someone asks why this episode was so good and someone says Shida it makes me shake my head. Shida was there for like 30 seconds.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:21 pm

kinisking wrote:When someone asks why this episode was so good and someone says Shida it makes me shake my head. Shida was there for like 30 seconds.
And he rocked those 30 seconds like there was no tomorrow.

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Post by Ajay » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:26 pm

kinisking wrote:These are all great. The entire episode was awesome. From a pure animation stand point, they might not match up to Shida's cut but they're visually exciting at least imo. When someone asks why this episode was so good and someone says Shida it makes me shake my head. Shida was there for like 30 seconds.
They're basic run of the mill action scenes. They're nice, but they're hardly worth talking about.

I haven't seen anyone saying "This episode was only good because of Shida". I think everyone acknowledges that it's simply one piece of a great puzzle.

It's the best part of that puzzle though, so of course it's going to become the biggest talking point. As it should be. I don't think it's all that surprising or anything to get worked up about.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by kinisking » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:30 pm

Ajay wrote:
kinisking wrote:These are all great. The entire episode was awesome. From a pure animation stand point, they might not match up to Shida's cut but they're visually exciting at least imo. When someone asks why this episode was so good and someone says Shida it makes me shake my head. Shida was there for like 30 seconds.
They're basic run of the mill action scenes. They're nice, but they're hardly worth talking about.

I haven't seen anyone saying "This episode was only good because of Shida". I think everyone acknowledges that it's simply one piece of a great puzzle.

It's the best part of that puzzle though, so of course it's going to become the biggest talking point. As it should be. I don't think it's all that surprising or anything to get worked up about.
They are still better than a lot of Super so they deserve recognition. And no, not everyone considers it that way. Plenty of people elsewhere obsessing over Shida.
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kinisking wrote:They are still better than a lot of Super so they deserve recognition. And no, not everyone considers it that way. Plenty of people elsewhere obsessing over Shida.
Karasawa and Higashide have been praised to pieces for months now. This is Shida's first instance of key animation on Super. Of course he's going to be talked about more than anyone at this point. I really don't see the issue here.

Jin Inaba did some great work in episode 38, but Tate brought the best stuff, so he gets the focus. Same thing here. The person who produces the best work in the episode is naturally going to get the most attention.
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Ajay wrote:
kinisking wrote:They are still better than a lot of Super so they deserve recognition. And no, not everyone considers it that way. Plenty of people elsewhere obsessing over Shida.
Karasawa and Higashide have been praised to pieces for months now. This is Shida's first instance of key animation on Super. Of course he's going to be talked about more than anyone at this point. I really don't see the issue here.

Jin Inaba did some great work in episode 38, but Tate brought the best stuff, so he gets the focus. Same thing here. The person who produces the best work in the episode is naturally going to get the most attention.
You have a point. I still feel that Shida is being completely overhyped though.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by neolux » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:40 pm

Shida deserves this "overhype." We have been waiting for him to finally do something for Dragon Ball Super and he finally does it after more than one year! So of course we're really hyped and now that we know that he's scheduled to work once again later down the road for the show of course we can't help but to "overhype him" I mean... he's really an excellent animator and he deserves the praise.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by kinisking » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:45 pm

neolux wrote:Shida deserves this "overhype." We have been waiting for him to finally do something for Dragon Ball Super and he finally does it after more than one year! So of course we're really hyped and now that we know that he's scheduled to work once again later down the road for the show of course we can't help but to "overhype him" I mean... he's really an excellent animator and he deserves the praise.
I agree, he deserves praise but I still think it's a shame that a lot of the amazing work in this episode is being overshadowed by his 30 second cut. Youtube especially. Just wanted to point that out.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

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kinisking wrote:
Ajay wrote:
kinisking wrote:They are still better than a lot of Super so they deserve recognition. And no, not everyone considers it that way. Plenty of people elsewhere obsessing over Shida.
Karasawa and Higashide have been praised to pieces for months now. This is Shida's first instance of key animation on Super. Of course he's going to be talked about more than anyone at this point. I really don't see the issue here.

Jin Inaba did some great work in episode 38, but Tate brought the best stuff, so he gets the focus. Same thing here. The person who produces the best work in the episode is naturally going to get the most attention.
You have a point. I still feel that Shida is being completely overhyped though.
I agree,Shida's fans can be as bad as the "GIVE IT TO MADHOUSE" crowd (check video description)- and usually are. In super's case however, it's a very welcome addition to the staff rotation.

I Made a comment a couple pages back about the appreciation for the other scenes in the episode that looked consistently good, however. The entire first part was really awesome.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #57]

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:34 pm

The episode is rickety and struggling to hold itself together. Awkward poses during and between spurts of animation show off the strained effort from the production staff to try to make an episode better than previous episodes to this point. Nevertheless, Shida Naotoshi's scene is the only one that manages to maintain a consistently high level, however briefly.

This has nothing to do with being a Shida fan or not, it has to do with the others not being able to turn in anything stand-out. God knows Higashide can and has done much, much better.
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