So has Super been redeemed now after a shaky start?

[dbs fanboy]

I don't know, i love super and i've been enjoying with it a lot (except for some things).
The BoG arc was ok, it had inconsistent animation but the good scenes from it were actually even better than the movie (Vegeta meeting Beerus, Beerus doing his job as a god of destruction, ep 14, ep 11....etc), i liked the fight more than the movie (for it's tension in some momenst and the climax, the movie is still superior in the animatiion of the fights) , and the transformation was more epic. So it was an ok arc.
The RoF arc was just terrible, yeah i liked the first episodes (that i didn't consider part of the arc until ep 19) but after ep 21, everything else is just shit (until ep 27).
The Champa arc was good imo, it still had bad animation, but it had improved and it even had good animated episodes and it had no stakes but it was still great, it introduced new characters, the super dragon balls, character development, a twist and it had some serious moments. Also lets not forget the final flash, and the kaioken (which use even had consequences).
And this arc is developing to be one of the best of the franchise (unless Toei/Toriyama fucked it up).
For me Super is neither a bad show or a good show, just a series that's is improving (even thought i love it), but if this arc ends up being grea, super great, and then we have another good arc, then on my book super would be a good show improving to be better and if that keeps up until the end of the series, then i'll consider super a worthy great continuation.

[buutenks]

Super got off to a rough start with poorly done movie adaptions, bad animation and lackluster plots. The Universe 6 tournament was also a bit of a mixed bag, simply due to poor animation/fights at the start and shafting Piccolo and Buu out of proper battles. Super was viewed as only marginally better than GT at the start.

But since the Goku Black arc the quality of Super has skyrocketed. The animation on average has marginally improved even if there's still a poorly animated scene here and there, and the plots, writing and handling has all gotten a lot better. Probably the only negative now is still the shafting/neglect of major characters like Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin, but other than that I think Super has been "redeemed" from its first year. If they can keep it up I think people will finally see Super as a worthy successor to DBZ.

You assume it started poorly tho. I enjoyed it starting with episode 3. Never thought it was bad, and could care less for some animation issues.

[emperior]

I don't know, i love super and i've been enjoying with it a lot (except for some things).
The BoG arc was ok, it had inconsistent animation but the good scenes from it were actually even better than the movie (Vegeta meeting Beerus, Beerus doing his job as a god of destruction, ep 14, ep 11....etc), i liked the fight more than the movie (for it's tension in some momenst and the climax, the movie is still superior in the animatiion of the fights) , and the transformation was more epic. So it was an ok arc.
The RoF arc was just terrible, yeah i liked the first episodes (that i didn't consider part of the arc until ep 19) but after ep 21, everything else is just shit (until ep 27).
The Champa arc was good imo, it still had bad animation, but it had improved and it even had good animated episodes and it had no stakes but it was still great, it introduced new characters, the super dragon balls, character development, a twist and it had some serious moments. Also lets not forget the final flash, and the kaioken (which use even had consequences).
And this arc is developing to be one of the best of the franchise (unless Toei/Toriyama fucked it up).
For me Super is neither a bad show or a good show, just a series that's is improving (even thought i love it), but if this arc ends up being grea, super great, and then we have another good arc, then on my book super would be a good show improving to be better and if that keeps up until the end of the series, then i'll consider super a worthy great continuation.

I agree with everything you said. It's unfortunate the bad animation from Golden Freezer arc hasn't been fixed in the Blu-Ray. Super as a whole is very enjoyable, it suffered in the beginning because they had to retell stories written specifically to be aired in cinemas, but the U6 arc was very good (apart from some bad animation in Goku vs Botamo) I enjoyed it a lot for what it was, a light-hearted story made to introduce some new character and new story elements. Hit was fantastic and I can't wait to see him back in the serie, we also still need to see what's up in U6 Earth and to visit Planet Sadal. Also, we got hints of U6 Namekians in the manga (Champa recognizes Piccolo as one)
We also have a multiversal tournament planned. DBS has incredible potential and it's getting better and better now that the animation is finallly picking up and the schedule seems to be better.

[Lord Beerus]

Hell yeah. I never really found myself offended that much by the Battle Of Gods arc, apart from Episode 5, which even then got a major face lift, but the retelling felt like a missed opportunity is some regards. The Resurrection F retelling was fucking horrendous, and I will stand by that as one of the worst things the franchise has ever produced. The Universe 6/Champa arc was wonderful even with the rough start and wasting Frost's character. And the Goku Black arc has just been fantastic from the first episode and has only gotten better since.

[TheMikado]

This arc has the most potential of any arc so far, that being said I am awaiting the conclusion and hoping there are no @$$pulls like making black Cell who merged with Gokus dead body. This is really the last hope for me for super so I will reserve judgment til the end of the arc. I just think we are jumping the gun early because we are finally getting stuff that can be somewhat comparable to Z.

[MCDaveG]

For me, no. Those 46 episodes before Trunks arc are still f**cked up. Yeah, it started to get little better with the Tournament, but still, there is 46 mediocre to really bad episodes,
and now, it is mediocre to better. If the series was like that from the start, it could be good.

Super just can't redeem hasty planning and hasty work which results in poorly done series, that could've been better in character and background designs and fighting choreography.
Not to mention some of the plotholes, like including the Pilaf and the gang only because they've been in the movies.

If shaky start are the batch of 46 episodes, then god save us all.

[Gig]

M2C:
BoG and RoF arcs suffered from several problems:
- Were retelling of movies, so audience already knew what would have happened. Thus, the risk of being "boring" was higher since the beginning.
-- They did some small changes, but while some of them were ok (e.g. Tagoma), some of them were inexplicable (e.g. why did they remove Jaco's fight?).
-- The animation quality of a weekly series, opposed to teathrical movies, is an hard comparison...
- Having to extend something from about 90 minutes (just an example, I haven't checked how the movies are actually long) to something like 20x13=260 minutes causes things to become too slow/long (e.g. how long required the SSJG ritual?) and thus, a bit boring (e.g. being repetitive like Beerus using similar attacks many times). DBZ had some veeeery long fights, maybe they thought they would have been okay also nowadays?

U6 arc was nice, in my opinion, although they may have managed Piccolo and Boo better, and its anti-climax ending left me this way:

Monaka arc was nothing special: it had a few nice touches (e.g. Puar imitating Beerus ), and some big problems (e.g. SSJ3 Gotenks vs Base Copy-Vegeta... Trunks and Goten searching for Superhuman water and then running away after they find it -although the water avoiding Jaco was funny-...). However it can be used to see how authors can handle somewhat similar situations (Copy-Vegeta and Goku Black) very differently (number of episodes, plot development, quality of animation..), and get either low or high results.

Future Trunks arc is very good, IMHO. There is still something which may have been better and clearer (e.g. does Black show normal ki, god ki, or both? Other characters are sense his strenght, so he may have normal ki... but if his ki is similar to Zamasu, and Zamasu is a god, then he should have god ki, isn't it?), however the way events unfold and the fights are quite good for me. Too slow is bad, too fast is bad, this seems to be the right pace. At the end, the arc may probably last more episodes than BoG or RoF (unless it ends in the next 3 episodes), but as long as more things actually happen and we don't go to 50+ episodes (which seems unlikely, due to the fights in Super being shorter, after the retellings ended), it's okay for me.

In general, consistency has been a problem of the show (e.g. Gohan training from scratch after RoF and then that seems to have been dropped completely), including powerlevels problems (personally, I find powerlevels are sometimes a limiting factor -the "if I'm stronger than you, you cannot even make a scratch on my body, no matter what you use" thing-... but DBZ was based upon that...), however a very cool fight like ep57 can forgive some power level incoherency.

Of course, the whole thing of introducing god ki in the franchise gives only headaches, but in general, I enjoy Super.

To sum up: Super is not a perfect work, but for me it was never as absolutely terrible as for others... and it looks like it's going in the right way at the moment.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Super has certainly come a long way from where it started with the first two arcs, but while I'm having a great time watching the Black ac every week it is still a bit soon to say and it will all come down to how this arc wraps up.

Thankfully after the last episode it's looking like this arc will end up being a bit longer than the other three, if TOEI can use that to their advantage and give a bit more development to Black and Zomasu and not screw up the arc's conclusion I'll say that half the series has been relatively solid.

[Patrolman Jaco]

If you're talking about the anime no not really imo a couple good episodes doesn't make up for the majority of bad episodes we get and Toei's characterization of Goku is still horrendous.

[TheMikado]

If you're talking about the anime no not really imo a couple good episodes doesn't make up for the majority of bad episodes we get and Toei's characterization of Goku is still horrendous.

This but the trajectory seems to be in the right direction now, I'm waiting til the end of this arc to see how it goes.

[ChronoTwigger]

Yes, indeed.
The retellings had some real embarassing moment i feel awkward to look at.
"WTF they're doing??"
The plot is also more interesting and epic: we care about characters. They are not only designs (like Cabba or Frost was).
So, now Super is what had to be since the start.

[Freeza9000]

It's definitely improving, that's for sure. The current arc with Mirai Trunks definitely made it hard for me to wait for the next coming episodes.