Will we have a SSJR3 Black?

[KingKaash]

You make good points. But no I doubt. Up to this point, the strongest form he's fought is SSB. And I think Goku Black is the kind of villain that is able to match the power level he faces and then make it his own. So because he hasn't fought an SSJ3, he won't calibrate that into his system.

Since he can use all of Goku's other moves, I wouldn't be surprised to see Goku Black use SSR Kaio-Ken x10

[Jinzoningen MULE]

You make good points. But no I doubt. Up to this point, the strongest form he's fought is SSB. And I think Goku Black is the kind of villain that is able to match the power level he faces and then make it his own. So because he hasn't fought an SSJ3, he won't calibrate that into his system.

Since he can use all of Goku's other moves, I wouldn't be surprised to see Goku Black use SSR Kaio-Ken x10

Considering that the SSB Kaioken seemed to be "filler" (for lack of a better word), I doubt either will use anything like that.

If you aren't familiar with why we can assume it's "filler", see Toyotaro's manga, which has its own interpretation of Toriyama's (obviously vague) notes that follow all of the same plot points, but with no SSB Kaioken.

[KingKaash]

You make good points. But no I doubt. Up to this point, the strongest form he's fought is SSB. And I think Goku Black is the kind of villain that is able to match the power level he faces and then make it his own. So because he hasn't fought an SSJ3, he won't calibrate that into his system.

Since he can use all of Goku's other moves, I wouldn't be surprised to see Goku Black use SSR Kaio-Ken x10

Considering that the SSB Kaioken seemed to be "filler" (for lack of a better word), I doubt either will use anything like that.

If you aren't familiar with why we can assume it's "filler", see Toyotaro's manga, which has its own interpretation of Toriyama's (obviously vague) notes that follow all of the same plot points, but with no SSB Kaioken.

I don't follow the manga. If you don't mind telling me, how does Goku fight Hit if he doesn't use SSB Kaioken?

[Cetra]

I don't follow the manga. If you don't mind telling me, how does Goku fight Hit if he doesn't use SSB Kaioken?

Hit does hold back instead of his ridiculous Beyond Divine Kaiouken improvement, step by step using more of his power, and Goku uses both Super Saiyajin God and Super Saiyajin Blue.

Anyway, the anime has no "filler". It is not less valid than the manga.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't follow the manga. If you don't mind telling me, how does Goku fight Hit if he doesn't use SSB Kaioken?

Hit does hold back instead of his ridiculous Beyond Divine Kaiouken improvement, step by step using more of his power, and Goku uses both Super Saiyajin God and Super Saiyajin Blue.

Anyway, the anime has no "filler". It is not less valid than the manga.

That's why I said it was for lack of a better term. Both the manga and anime come from the same source, that is, Toriyama's notes. If he was vague enough that there could be such vastly different interpretations, chances are that both Toyotaro's SSG and Toei's SSB Kaioken were made up entirely by the respective adapters. Meaning that it's essentially the same as filler, and it's unlikely to make another appearance.

[Cetra]

I don't follow the manga. If you don't mind telling me, how does Goku fight Hit if he doesn't use SSB Kaioken?

Hit does hold back instead of his ridiculous Beyond Divine Kaiouken improvement, step by step using more of his power, and Goku uses both Super Saiyajin God and Super Saiyajin Blue.

Anyway, the anime has no "filler". It is not less valid than the manga.

That's why I said it was for lack of a better term. Both the manga and anime come from the same source, that is, Toriyama's notes. If he was vague enough that there could be such vastly different interpretations, chances are that both Toyotaro's SSG and Toei's SSB Kaioken were made up entirely by the respective adapters. Meaning that it's essentially the same as filler, and it's unlikely to make another appearance.

Except Toriyama-san is fully trusting both Toyble and Toei and their contributions to the franchise, something he repeatedly said about the anime staff over years in different situations as well as in interviews with Toyble included, therefore any wording that makes it seem like disrespecting what they make out of it is out of place. I am not really saying that because of you but because there are many comments.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Hit does hold back instead of his ridiculous Beyond Divine Kaiouken improvement, step by step using more of his power, and Goku uses both Super Saiyajin God and Super Saiyajin Blue.

Anyway, the anime has no "filler". It is not less valid than the manga.

That's why I said it was for lack of a better term. Both the manga and anime come from the same source, that is, Toriyama's notes. If he was vague enough that there could be such vastly different interpretations, chances are that both Toyotaro's SSG and Toei's SSB Kaioken were made up entirely by the respective adapters. Meaning that it's essentially the same as filler, and it's unlikely to make another appearance.

Except Toriyama-san is fully trusting both Toyble and Toei and their contributions to the franchise therefore any wording that makes it seem like disrespecting what they make out of it is out of place. I am not really saying that because of you but because there are many comments.

You're misunderstanding me, I'm not saying that they're illegitimate. I'm saying that since the transformation (more so in the anime version) was made to meet criteria for one specific fight, it probably won't come back.

[Cetra]

That's why I said it was for lack of a better term. Both the manga and anime come from the same source, that is, Toriyama's notes. If he was vague enough that there could be such vastly different interpretations, chances are that both Toyotaro's SSG and Toei's SSB Kaioken were made up entirely by the respective adapters. Meaning that it's essentially the same as filler, and it's unlikely to make another appearance.

Except Toriyama-san is fully trusting both Toyble and Toei and their contributions to the franchise therefore any wording that makes it seem like disrespecting what they make out of it is out of place. I am not really saying that because of you but because there are many comments.

You're misunderstanding me, I'm not saying that they're illegitimate. I'm saying that since the transformation (more so in the anime version) was made to meet criteria for one specific fight, it probably won't come back.

It is possible if more vague bullet points for battles were made that Toei is gonna use that chance to bring back the Divine Kaiouken. And of course, even though it is not necessary, Toyble could be inspired by some anime elements to bring them in in the manga - I don't think he will but of course it is not impossible.

[PMD]

I've never liked when Goku went SSG against Hit in the manga. How's that even possible? SSJB Kaioken is way much better.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I've never liked when Goku went SSG against Hit in the manga. How's that even possible? SSJB Kaioken is way much better.

It's possible because the comic exists in an entirely separate continuity. Nowhere in the comic were the mechanics of God Ki specified, nor was the God form given a time limit.