"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Gyt Kaliba]

After finally getting caught back up after falling behind again, I've got to say that this arc has more than lived up to my expectations so far. Every time we think we kind of have something figured out, it turns out we're not quite right yet - that's the feeling the old stuff always felt like it had going for it (or at least, the feeling it seemed like it must have had for people that couldn't just read up all about developments online...so not me or fans that came along at the same time I did), and it's been so great to have that general feeling of mystery back.

[Chuquita]

I'm wondering how much of Gokû's knowledge or possibly memories he has and where he got the information he has on Gokû, Vegeta, and Beerus. I hope they explain in-universe why he's got different eyes than Gokû has.

[kinisking]

Exactly... I don't get what you're getting at. Plus, it almost certainly wasn't in Toriyama's outline.

I just wish the term wasn't so overused, since we don't actually know what is or isn't in the outline. He could've wrote "Trunks rests and visits the" for lack of a better word "retired heroes," for example.

I mean, he only visited Gohan. Everyone else was already there.

[HeroR]

I mean, he only visited Gohan. Everyone else was already there.

That's in the manga, and unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you can't know what is or isn't in his outline outside what is in both the anime and manga. Besides, Episode 52 wasn't really filler since we got real character development and insight into Future Trunks, so it was just mindless fluff.

[kinisking]

I mean, he only visited Gohan. Everyone else was already there.

That's in the manga, and unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you can't know what is or isn't in his outline outside what is in both the anime and manga. Besides, Episode 52 wasn't really filler since we got real character development and insight into Future Trunks, so it was just mindless fluff.

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

[HeroR]

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

[kinisking]

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

Misunderstood you. Yes, everyone else was there in the manga also. However, Gohan wasn't. What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

Misunderstood you. Yes, everyone else was there in the manga also. However, Gohan wasn't. What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

It doesn't mean it couldn't have been. It could just mean it wasn't significant enough to take up space in the manga. No-one here can know what is/isn't in it for sure because neither adaption follows it exactly.

[Kagari]

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

Misunderstood you. Yes, everyone else was there in the manga also. However, Gohan wasn't. What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

The manga seems to be skipping the Goku vs. Black fight in the present entirely for now. Also characters like Piccolo and Krillin, who were around for a few episodes in the anime, are no where to be seen in the manga at this moment.

[TekTheNinja]

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

Misunderstood you. Yes, everyone else was there in the manga also. However, Gohan wasn't. What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

The manga seems to be skipping the Goku vs. Black fight in the present entirely for now. Also characters like Piccolo and Krillin, who were around for a few episodes in the anime, are no where to be seen in the manga at this moment.

That may be a good thing. Seeing Piccolo and Krillin reduced to cleaning up after Goku's battles is just depressing.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Who did he visit in the manga that wasn't already there? And well, we can at least agree that flashback to Future Gohan most likely wasn't in the outline though right?

Again, that is in the manga where everyone happens to be together because they're celebrating their victory over U6. The manga have already differ from the anime in several key details, and like I said, unless you have seen Toriyama's outline, you don't know if Trunks spent personal time with Gohan.

I am not going to agree to anything that was or wasn't in the outline because I've never seen it and I'm not going to pretend to know. I can only tell what was most likely in the outline based on the similarities between the manga and anime. Everything else is cherry-picking.

Misunderstood you. Yes, everyone else was there in the manga also. However, Gohan wasn't. What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

Remember Toriyama is specifically writing for the anime that's the main product a lot of people seem to be forgetting this. Toyo doesn't have time to do everything since he's producing monthly and the anime is miles ahead.

[Luso Saiyan]

What that tells me is that the part about everyone being there is in the outline for sure, but him visiting Gohan wasn't in the manga so it couldn't have been in the outline.

Or it could have been in the outline. You and nobody of us here knows, so you can't declare anything for sure about what is and isn't in it.

I hope they explain in-universe why he's got different eyes than Gokû has.

They're meant to be the same, just like the rest of his body.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm wondering how much of Gokû's knowledge or possibly memories he has and where he got the information he has on Gokû, Vegeta, and Beerus.

Black seems to know Goku's techniques, but not all of them. For example, he only recently learned how to sense ki.

I hope they explain in-universe why he's got different eyes than Gokû has.

I don't think we need one. Goku, Gohan, and Goten seem to have non-fully outlined eyes to show their purity. Once they become Super Saiyans, which makes them more brutal, their eyes change. Gohan's eyes also changed when he became Ultimate Gohan, and it was noted & shown that Gohan's softness from before was gone. So Goku Black, who is evil, wouldn't have the same eyes as Goku.

[FortuneSSJ]

-New Ending-
Well, that's a shame! I love this one and I wonder if we'll ever have another ending with such original visuals.
The vocalist sure seems to have done his homework, but I find Zenkai Power to be the worst ending this franchise ever had, so I'm curious to see what they will pull off.

TV Guides only give the first part of the title. This is all the episode title.
Seems fake to me, we can read "Enter Zen-chan! Erase Black!", the arc is already over?

Fake or not, this is why i won't drop my guard until the arc ends. I'm loving the arc so far, everyone from the staff is doing a great job, but they can still screw up in the end.

Same thing for Black and Zamasu as villains. Still soon to say how great villains they are. It takes a single action to turn an interesting villain in a shitty one.
Pein from Naruto is the best example of this.

[Grimlock]

Is there something interesting here?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[alakazam^]

Is there something interesting here?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It says Rose is Goku Black's version of Super Saiyajin and that it rivals Blue. It also points out that present and future Zamasu have different Potaras.

[Grimlock]

Nice. Two confirmations in a row. Thanks a lot and yet again, alakazam^!

[dbzfan7]

I can't remember, but did Black choose to have that hair colour he has? I don't remember if he said that. If so, I get familiar vibes of Freeza saying he picked the golden colour. Or perhaps it's just some alternate universe difference thing maybe.

[ekrolo2]

I can't remember, but did Black choose to have that hair colour he has? I don't remember if he said that. If so, I get familiar vibes of Freeza saying he picked the golden colour. Or perhaps it's just some alternate universe difference thing maybe.

He kind of words it as though he invented Super Saiyan Rose ala Golden Freeza. Could just be his presence in Goku's body corrupting the transformation as Baby did for Vegeta.

[Nejishiki]

From what I recall, Goku Black's remark with Super Saiyan Rosé related to its naming. Future Trunks did notice the color though. Clarity would be welcome.