If Piccolo pulled a Majin Vegeta in Super

[Nejishiki]

That's out of character. It was supposed to be Majin Piccolo at first, but Toriyama didn't think it was right.

It's (The Majin Piccolo rumor) nonsense that was added to "Dragon Ball Wikia" and spread from there. Absolutely no basis in reality.

I just want to point out that the rumors of Toriyama originally planning to have Piccolo fall under Babidi's spell instead of Vegeta are completely baseless.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I would love to see Piccolo become relevant again and rival Goku, but I don't want another good guy gone bad, it's been done too many times

[HeroR]

That's out of character. It was supposed to be Majin Piccolo at first, but Toriyama didn't think it was right.

That is just a rumor with no facts to facts to back it.

[namekiansaiyan]

That's out of character. It was supposed to be Majin Piccolo at first, but Toriyama didn't think it was right.

That is just a rumor with no facts to facts to back it.

I think there could be some truth in it since Piccolo never had a proper fight in the buu arc and because of the demon connection.

[HeroR]

I think there could be some truth in it since Piccolo never had a proper fight in the buu arc and because of the demon connection.

Still not backed by actual facts outside of a What If in a video game.

[Puto]

Besides, the Piccolo in the Boo arc isn't really Piccolo, it's the combination of him and God.

[THEGOKU]

This would be hard to have happen since he has Kami within him and most likely not allowing the Majin takeover. This is a excellent idea though and I would like to see Piccolo provide actual use in the battle field once again whether he is good or bad. I mean even if he is helping with training that would be fine too but Piccolo needs something. Seeing as the Majin thing is out of the question I think if anything were to happen it would have to be something like what Mira and Towa do in Xenoverse to have him become evil.

[omaro34]

Some fans are just hopeful that a Namekian book of legends might have something within it to benefit a Namekian. It honestly wouldn't be a terrible plot point, but no, nothing about it is mentioned beyond the fact that the Super Saiyan God legend is recorded in it.

That book is basically what me and other fans of Big Green hold onto for dear life, hoping that this book would make him relevant again. But to be honest, I highly doubt that would ever happen as nice as it would be.

[kinisking]

That's out of character. It was supposed to be Majin Piccolo at first, but Toriyama didn't think it was right.

It's (The Majin Piccolo rumor) nonsense that was added to "Dragon Ball Wikia" and spread from there. Absolutely no basis in reality.

I just want to point out that the rumors of Toriyama originally planning to have Piccolo fall under Babidi's spell instead of Vegeta are completely baseless.

Thanks! Didn't know.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

That's out of character. It was supposed to be Majin Piccolo at first, but Toriyama didn't think it was right.

I can see why, Piccolo effectively became Mr.Good when he sacrificed his life for Gohan, Vegeta was still Mr.Anti Hero up until the Buu arc we hardly got to see his soft side that much so when Majin Vegeta rolled out it worked plus Vegeta's past was a lot worse then Piccolo's in terms of evilness.

Well just read it was false, but my post still stands as to why Majin Picoyo won't work.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I would be open to it if TOEI had a decent story and executed it well. After all many of us thought Goku Black and Trunks returning were stupid ideas initially, but they made it work.

[KingKaash]

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

[HeroR]

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

He didn't return with the other Namekians because he finds their lifestyle boring. And why would he leave his friends behind just because he isn't the strongest person on the planet? Piccolo was never that shallow.

Earth is his home and he will protect it even if he's low on the power scale.

[Lionel]

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

I've wondered the same thing concerning Vegeta. His personal conflict was resolved back in the Buu arc of Z. You would assume that after having coming to terms with his inferiority next to Goku that he would realise "his time is up". Does the Saiyan Prince adhere to the conventions of the show by falling into obscurity, though? Why isn't his time up?

If the writers can allow some leeway to have Vegeta remain relevant then surely they can do the same to Piccolo. I mean they allowed a random minion of Freeza's to become as strong as Gohan "at his best" through four months of being a punching bag. Being the Child of Katatz, Piccolo's own potential for growth should be even greater/

[KingKaash]

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

He didn't return with the other Namekians because he finds their lifestyle boring. And why would he leave his friends behind just because he isn't the strongest person on the planet? Piccolo was never that shallow.

Earth is his home and he will protect it even if he's low on the power scale.

Well the reason the writers are going to keep him around is so when a new threat comes Piccolo, Gohan, Gotenks and others can show how strong the villain is by getting there butts beat. That's the only purpose of these characters now. I believe GT killed off Piccolo (I never watched it). That would be the greatest thing Piccolo could do for this show now. Because he'll never get as strong as a God. If he died against a villain, it would really light a fire under Goku.

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

I've wondered the same thing concerning Vegeta. His personal conflict was resolved back in the Buu arc of Z. You would assume that after having coming to terms with his inferiority next to Goku that he would realise "his time is up". Does the Saiyan Prince adhere to the conventions of the show by falling into obscurity, though? Why isn't his time up?

If the writers can allow some leeway to have Vegeta remain relevant then surely they can do the same to Piccolo. I mean they allowed a random minion of Freeza's to become as strong as Gohan "at his best" through four months of being a punching bag. Being the Child of Katatz, Piccolo's own potential for growth should be even greater/

Are you saying Vegeta is irrelevant? And when did he come to the acceptance that Goku would always be better and he would remain inferior? In the early episodes of Super, you see Vegeta training with weights while Goku sleeps on Beerus' planet and specifically says he'll surpass Goku. His time will never be up. He is on equal footing with Goku at this point of Super to me.

Piccolo isn't even as strong as SSJ2 Vegeta. He'll never be able to make the wide gap from his current power level to the God level that Goku and Vegeta are at. And you need God powers to stay relevant now otherwise you're used as fodder to make the new bad guy look good.

The writers could give Piccolo his own Namek God power up. It would be pretty easy. But what's the need? We already got Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis.

[namekiansaiyan]

The writers could give Piccolo his own Namek God power up. It would be pretty easy. But what's the need? We already got Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis.

Beerus and Whis dont do fighting. We have the 12 universe tournament for Piccolo.

[HeroR]

Well the reason the writers are going to keep him around is so when a new threat comes Piccolo, Gohan, Gotenks and others can show how strong the villain is by getting there butts beat. That's the only purpose of these characters now. I believe GT killed off Piccolo (I never watched it). That would be the greatest thing Piccolo could do for this show now. Because he'll never get as strong as a God. If he died against a villain, it would really light a fire under Goku.

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

I've wondered the same thing concerning Vegeta. His personal conflict was resolved back in the Buu arc of Z. You would assume that after having coming to terms with his inferiority next to Goku that he would realise "his time is up". Does the Saiyan Prince adhere to the conventions of the show by falling into obscurity, though? Why isn't his time up?

If the writers can allow some leeway to have Vegeta remain relevant then surely they can do the same to Piccolo. I mean they allowed a random minion of Freeza's to become as strong as Gohan "at his best" through four months of being a punching bag. Being the Child of Katatz, Piccolo's own potential for growth should be even greater/

Are you saying Vegeta is irrelevant? And when did he come to the acceptance that Goku would always be better and he would remain inferior? In the early episodes of Super, you see Vegeta training with weights while Goku sleeps on Beerus' planet and specifically says he'll surpass Goku. His time will never be up. He is on equal footing with Goku at this point of Super to me.

Piccolo isn't even as strong as SSJ2 Vegeta. He'll never be able to make the wide gap from his current power level to the God level that Goku and Vegeta are at. And you need God powers to stay relevant now otherwise you're used as fodder to make the new bad guy look good.

The writers could give Piccolo his own Namek God power up. It would be pretty easy. But what's the need? We already got Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis.

Who cares. Earth is his home, not Namek, so he wants to protect it even if he stands no chance, just like Krillin.

[Roronoa-pt]

An easy explanation for a Piccolo powerup.

1. Piccolo spends a week in the room of spirit and time.
2. Gets out much stronger.
3. Whis realizes that Piccolo has potential to use god-ki, because of the incredible power boost he got with his training and he was Earth's god for many years, so it's natural that Kami had that kind of ki ( he wasn't powerful enough to be sensed, tough ).
4. Whis teaches Piccolo to master god-ki.
5. ????
6. Profit.

[Lionel]

Piccolo should just go back to Planet Namek tbh. I can't even remember the reason he chose to stay with the others after the Buu saga. But he should just say "Hey Goku I've realized that your power has far surpassed mine. You and Vegeta are clearly strong enough to protect this planet and you honestly don't need my help anymore. I'm going back home to my people to protect them (from nothing)"

Piccolo is an afterthought. Characters like Beerus and Whis are here to take his place as mainstay characters. As a Gohan fan, I loved what Piccolo did for Gohan and the show. But his time's up. Just like Gohan's time is up. Just accept it

I've wondered the same thing concerning Vegeta. His personal conflict was resolved back in the Buu arc of Z. You would assume that after having coming to terms with his inferiority next to Goku that he would realise "his time is up". Does the Saiyan Prince adhere to the conventions of the show by falling into obscurity, though? Why isn't his time up?

If the writers can allow some leeway to have Vegeta remain relevant then surely they can do the same to Piccolo. I mean they allowed a random minion of Freeza's to become as strong as Gohan "at his best" through four months of being a punching bag. Being the Child of Katatz, Piccolo's own potential for growth should be even greater/

Are you saying Vegeta is irrelevant? And when did he come to the acceptance that Goku would always be better and he would remain inferior? In the early episodes of Super, you see Vegeta training with weights while Goku sleeps on Beerus' planet and specifically says he'll surpass Goku. His time will never be up. He is on equal footing with Goku at this point of Super to me.

Piccolo isn't even as strong as SSJ2 Vegeta. He'll never be able to make the wide gap from his current power level to the God level that Goku and Vegeta are at. And you need God powers to stay relevant now otherwise you're used as fodder to make the new bad guy look good.

The writers could give Piccolo his own Namek God power up. It would be pretty easy. But what's the need? We already got Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis.

No, I'm asking why Vegeta is apparently entitled to continue being a driving force behind the narrative of the show when the predecessors before him were thrown to the wayside after one or two arcs of limelight. He already was receiving a much greater amount of screen time by holding the title of deuteragonist for the vast majority of Z. His monologue during the fight with Kid Buu was a symbolical resignation of the status as strongest going to Goku. Until Super was conceived, did anyone believe that this position was altered? I doubt it. We're lead to believe Vegeta can be arbitrarily chosen to defy conventions by staying on-par with Goku when others like Piccolo and Tenshinhan are unable to "keep up" for one nondescript excuse or another. If the show is about people surpassing their perceived limitations then why is this notion only limited to Vegeta? Nothing really dictates that these other characters can't reassert their fighting importance except for the whims of the writers.

I really don't want to have this devolve into yet another debate surrounding Piccolo's strength at the U6 tournament. But to address what you said concerning Piccolo's limits, we were never actually given any direct confirmation as to the existence of an absolutistic ceiling of growth for him. It would be easy for him to catch back up. First, have him acquire God Ki somehow then allow a one year timeskip to pan out where he's training one-on-on with Whis. There, you now have a Piccolo who is in the same general ballpark as Goku and Vegeta once again. If the writers had the willingness to acknowledge Kaioken's potential then it wouldn't be difficult to write Piccolo as having learned it. This compensates for the lack of transformations. Next establish the creator of the Super Dragon Balls as being physiologically compatible with Piccolo. A fusion with such a being would easily put Piccolo above the Saiyans. Maybe the Namekian Book of Legends could come into play somewhere in this process.

You mean apart from the fact that two of the characters whom you cited aren't even directly participating in fights most of the time? We've devolved to the point where instead of having an interesting cast of multiple characters who could functionally battle with some measure of success in the DB tournament arcs we've been reduced to just Goku and Vegeta being allocated every bit of significant screen time besides some occasional guest appearances like Trunks in the recent arc.

[KingKaash]

I've wondered the same thing concerning Vegeta. His personal conflict was resolved back in the Buu arc of Z. You would assume that after having coming to terms with his inferiority next to Goku that he would realise "his time is up". Does the Saiyan Prince adhere to the conventions of the show by falling into obscurity, though? Why isn't his time up?

If the writers can allow some leeway to have Vegeta remain relevant then surely they can do the same to Piccolo. I mean they allowed a random minion of Freeza's to become as strong as Gohan "at his best" through four months of being a punching bag. Being the Child of Katatz, Piccolo's own potential for growth should be even greater/

Are you saying Vegeta is irrelevant? And when did he come to the acceptance that Goku would always be better and he would remain inferior? In the early episodes of Super, you see Vegeta training with weights while Goku sleeps on Beerus' planet and specifically says he'll surpass Goku. His time will never be up. He is on equal footing with Goku at this point of Super to me.

Piccolo isn't even as strong as SSJ2 Vegeta. He'll never be able to make the wide gap from his current power level to the God level that Goku and Vegeta are at. And you need God powers to stay relevant now otherwise you're used as fodder to make the new bad guy look good.

The writers could give Piccolo his own Namek God power up. It would be pretty easy. But what's the need? We already got Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis.

No, I'm asking why Vegeta is apparently entitled to continue being a driving force behind the narrative of the show when the predecessors before him were thrown to the wayside after one or two arcs of limelight. He already was receiving a much greater amount of screen time by holding the title of deuteragonist for the vast majority of Z. His monologue during the fight with Kid Buu was a symbolical resignation of the status as strongest going to Goku. Until Super was conceived, did anyone believe that this position was altered? I doubt it. We're lead to believe Vegeta can be arbitrarily chosen to defy conventions by staying on-par with Goku when others like Piccolo and Tenshinhan are unable to "keep up" for one nondescript excuse or another. If the show is about people surpassing their perceived limitations then why is this notion only limited to Vegeta? Nothing really dictates that these other characters can't reassert their fighting importance except for the whims of the writers.

I really don't want to have this devolve into yet another debate surrounding Piccolo's strength at the U6 tournament. But to address what you said concerning Piccolo's limits, we were never actually given any direct confirmation as to the existence of an absolutistic ceiling of growth for him. It would be easy for him to catch back up. First, have him acquire God Ki somehow then allow a one year timeskip to pan out where he's training one-on-on with Whis. There, you now have a Piccolo who is in the same general ballpark as Goku and Vegeta once again. If the writers had the willingness to acknowledge Kaioken's potential then it wouldn't be difficult to write Piccolo as having learned it. This compensates for the lack of transformations. Next establish the creator of the Super Dragon Balls as being physiologically compatible with Piccolo. A fusion with such a being would easily put Piccolo above the Saiyans. Maybe the Namekian Book of Legends could come into play somewhere in this process.

You mean apart from the fact that two of the characters whom you cited aren't even directly participating in fights most of the time? We've devolved to the point where instead of having an interesting cast of multiple characters who could functionally battle with some measure of success in the DB tournament arcs we've been reduced to just Goku and Vegeta being allocated every bit of significant screen time besides some occasional guest appearances like Trunks in the recent arc.

First off I want to say I'd love to see Piccolo grow way strong and become important again. But I gotta ask. Wasn't Piccolo already thrown back to the wayside way back in the Cell Games? His last good meaningful fight was against Android 17. He didn't even do much in the tournament at the beginning of the Buu saga. He hasn't been relevant for awhile to be honest.

You're right it shouldn't only be limited to Vegeta being able to surpass limits. I agree with that.

Maybe you all expected with a new series of DBS that things would be different. I can certainly say there was hope for me at the beginning that Gohan would rise to importance again. But you gotta learn when to give up.

If there is a multi-universe tournament then maybe Piccolo (and dare I say Gohan) have a chance to become somewhat relevant again. But don't hold your breath