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TheUltimateNinja wrote:What if Goku lost hope in Gohan and decided to end the fight himself by eating Cell?
What...?
Anime Kitten wrote:What if Goku didn't kill Freeza at the end of Resurrection 'F'?
I believe Freeza would master his Golden form, but instead of coming back for another rushed revenge plan, he would took a time to make some plans, he now knows what he is dealing with, but well, I don't know what could happen then, maybe Freeza could defeat Goku next time, Goku and Vegeta would realize that team work is the best against him, who knows
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
TobyS wrote:If Goku ate Cells nucleus would cell regenerate and chest burst outta Goku alien style? Or Cell no match for hard working saiyan stomach acid.
That little thing's gotta be pretty tough if it survived Cell's massive self destruct explosion, but I don't quite know if it's got what it takes to stand up to Goku's stomach.
Before or after being revealed the truth about him? I can imagine future Cell (post-Majin Boo) being a threat if the lab keeps collecting data. Trunks would be uninformed about his death as well.
After.
"That's right, everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla!" - Tullece (AB Groupe dub)
Before or after being revealed the truth about him? I can imagine future Cell (post-Majin Boo) being a threat if the lab keeps collecting data. Trunks would be uninformed about his death as well.
After.
What if you woke up just before Future Trunks (from Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound) crashed through your roof and landed right beside you in bed?
nickzambuto wrote:What if Goku never unlocked SSJ3? When all was said and done, it really didn't seem invaluable to their ultimate victory in the Boo arc.
He gets potentially destroyed by Boo when he goes to face him to stall for Trunks. If this happens, Goten and Trunks can't learn fusion, however, due to a lack of Gotenks, Gohan should be able to stomp Super Boo and kill him since he'd have no one to raise his power through absorption. Whether or not the Earth gets completely obliterated in the mean time is kind of up in the air but regardless, Boo is fucked without Gotenks.
I don't think the SSJ2 to SSJ3 boost is quite as large as the SSJ1 to SSJ2 boost. Just look at how long Vegeta held Boo off for, he put in a beyond valiant effort, and he was dead serious. Goku meanwhile could potentially appeal to Boo's naivety and their shared goofiness and survive by having Boo toy with him, not to mention his enhanced durability with the dead body. It'll be a lot more painful, but I think it's possible for him to take Boo's attention long enough for Trunks to do his thing.
Regardless though, IIRC, Goku left for Otherworld almost immediately after getting back to the Lookout. There was no further training from him, that's when Piccolo picked things up, so even if Goku were to die and vanish from existence, Piccolo could just resume. Then we'd get Gotenks and... Boo absorbs him to beat Gohan, like you said...
Desassina wrote:
Before or after being revealed the truth about him? I can imagine future Cell (post-Majin Boo) being a threat if the lab keeps collecting data. Trunks would be uninformed about his death as well.
After.
What if you woke up just before Future Trunks (from Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound) crashed through your roof and landed right beside you in bed?
What is your point?
I'm asking a simple question:
What if Piccolo kills Imperfect Cell after Cell finishes his story about his origin?
No Cell Games, of course. And with no Cell Games, Bojack isn't released because King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory don't die.
What else changes? I assume without Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Broly slaughters them all, right?
"That's right, everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla!" - Tullece (AB Groupe dub)
nickzambuto wrote:What if Goku never unlocked SSJ3? When all was said and done, it really didn't seem invaluable to their ultimate victory in the Boo arc.
He gets potentially destroyed by Boo when he goes to face him to stall for Trunks. If this happens, Goten and Trunks can't learn fusion, however, due to a lack of Gotenks, Gohan should be able to stomp Super Boo and kill him since he'd have no one to raise his power through absorption. Whether or not the Earth gets completely obliterated in the mean time is kind of up in the air but regardless, Boo is fucked without Gotenks.
I don't think the SSJ2 to SSJ3 boost is quite as large as the SSJ1 to SSJ2 boost. Just look at how long Vegeta held Boo off for, he put in a beyond valiant effort, and he was dead serious. Goku meanwhile could potentially appeal to Boo's naivety and their shared goofiness and survive by having Boo toy with him, not to mention his enhanced durability with the dead body. It'll be a lot more painful, but I think it's possible for him to take Boo's attention long enough for Trunks to do his thing.
Regardless though, IIRC, Goku left for Otherworld almost immediately after getting back to the Lookout. There was no further training from him, that's when Piccolo picked things up, so even if Goku were to die and vanish from existence, Piccolo could just resume. Then we'd get Gotenks and... Boo absorbs him to beat Gohan, like you said...
SSJ3 is 4x stronger than SSJ2, Goku would get killed if he didn't have SSJ3.
What if you woke up just before Future Trunks (from Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound) crashed through your roof and landed right beside you in bed?
What is your point?
I'm asking a simple question:
What if Piccolo kills Imperfect Cell after Cell finishes his story about his origin?
No Cell Games, of course. And with no Cell Games, Bojack isn't released because King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory don't die.
What else changes? I assume without Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Broly slaughters them all, right?
Move characters aren't canon, so none of that affects the story. Babidi never comes to Earth due to a lack of high power levels, SSJ2 and SSJ3 are never discovered, Beerus either blows up Earth or leaves out of boredom and they all die when Frieza comes back for revenge.
nickzambuto wrote:[I don't think the SSJ2 to SSJ3 boost is quite as large as the SSJ1 to SSJ2 boost. Just look at how long Vegeta held Boo off for, he put in a beyond valiant effort, and he was dead serious. Goku meanwhile could potentially appeal to Boo's naivety and their shared goofiness and survive by having Boo toy with him, not to mention his enhanced durability with the dead body. It'll be a lot more painful, but I think it's possible for him to take Boo's attention long enough for Trunks to do his thing.
Regardless though, IIRC, Goku left for Otherworld almost immediately after getting back to the Lookout. There was no further training from him, that's when Piccolo picked things up, so even if Goku were to die and vanish from existence, Piccolo could just resume. Then we'd get Gotenks and... Boo absorbs him to beat Gohan, like you said...
I usually go by the SEG multipliers but one thing you need to remember about Vegeta vs Boo is that Toriyama clearly hadn't thought of SS3 at that point so he probably didn't think to have Vegeta get completely stomped like he later is against Kid Boo who's of comparable power to Fat Boo.
I think Goku's survival might depend on if he spams IT like the did with Beerus in the BoG movie, the trouble with this is that Boo can learn moves immediately so if he starts spamming IT to counter Goku then Goku's pretty thoroughly screwed. He also doesn't show the boys how to perform the dance so unless he lets Piccolo read his mind before he leaves to fight Boo, they can't do fusion.
Hence why I think Gohan will ultimately be the one to stomp Boo though I imagine a lot more good guys dying in this scenario before he can do it. Goku could potentially get wiped out of existence entirely here too.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
What if you woke up just before Future Trunks (from Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound) crashed through your roof and landed right beside you in bed?
What is your point?
I'm asking a simple question:
What if Piccolo kills Imperfect Cell after Cell finishes his story about his origin?
No Cell Games, of course. And with no Cell Games, Bojack isn't released because King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory don't die.
What else changes? I assume without Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Broly slaughters them all, right?
Move characters aren't canon, so none of that affects the story. Babidi never comes to Earth due to a lack of high power levels, SSJ2 and SSJ3 are never discovered, Beerus either blows up Earth or leaves out of boredom and they all die when Frieza comes back for revenge.
There is no defined canon.
Stop trying to claim there is. There is ZERO evidence of an established canon as Toriyama and Toei deliberately avoid mentioning canon.
"That's right, everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla!" - Tullece (AB Groupe dub)
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if you had to choose between Bra and Pan if each wanted to have you as a boyfriend?
2) What if instead of Tagoma, Frog Ginyu had tricked Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super?
1) I would attempt to obtain both.
2) He would get wrecked by Goku.
1) Same here!
2) Okay, but before that. What would Captain Ginyu becoming Venyu have done? And how would Bulma and Frieza react to this?
3) And what if Future Trunks' Super Saiyan awakening had revived Future Gohan?
1) Aw yeah
2) Bulma would be shocked, Frieza would find it entertaining, Ginyu doesn't have the opportunity to do anything of note since Goku thrashes him before he can.
