Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

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Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Lujin_16 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:48 pm

Some wants Gohan and Piccolo back to become stronger but i enjoy Beerus & Whis as characters much more they are funny,strong and badass.


What do you think about that??? Are they underrated??

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Marco Polo » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:05 pm

Nope. Most people agree that they are great characters, and some of the most refreshing character designs in the franchise in years.

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:08 pm

Not at all. Character-wise, their hype is justified. Both have received a lot of development, especially Beerus. But strength-wise, Beerus at least is incredibly overrated. :roll:
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by nickzambuto » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:13 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Not at all. Character-wise, their hype is justified. Both have received a lot of development, especially Beerus. But strength-wise, Beerus at least is incredibly overrated. :roll:
Why do you say that?

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:18 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Why do you say that?
Because people think that everything Beerus says about himself is true. Like how he nervously stated that SSJB Goku's Kaioken wouldn't be enough to beat him, even though it clearly would have at least some effect based on his aforementioned nervous tone. That's just one example, though. I do believe that Goku's full power is greater than Beerus', but that doesn't mean I believe Goku can destroy half a planet with the tap of a finger. I believe that's exclusive to the Gods of Destruction. Likewise, removing someone from their existence by saying "Hakai" is also a God of Destruction-only ability.

To put it in simpler terms, Goku is stronger than Beerus and could win in a fair fight, but he would instantly die from Beerus' God of Destruction powers if used on him. That's what I believe, if it makes sense.
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Kanassa » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:50 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
To put it in simpler terms, Goku is stronger than Beerus and could win in a fair fight, but he would instantly die from Beerus' God of Destruction powers if used on him. That's what I believe, if it makes sense.
THinking that Beerus is stronger then Goku isn't overrating him, especially when I'm pretty sure that Toriyama stated that he has no intention of having Beerus or Goku surpass Beerus in power.
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:53 pm

Kanassa wrote:THinking that Beerus is stronger then Goku isn't overrating him, especially when I'm pretty sure that Toriyama stated that he has no intention of having Beerus or Goku surpass Beerus in power.
First, it's not only Goku, because people think he can beat anyone under Whis. And second, I don't believe everything Mr. Toriyama says either, so... :wink:
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:30 pm

The "hakai" thing need not be a god-only power. Zamasu was only ssj2 tier at the time, it makes sense for Beerus to one-shot him given the vast difference.

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:58 pm

You must be crazy to even get the idea that Beerus or Whis are underrated. If anything they're overrated immensely by both Toriyama and Toei because of how much retcons they cause due to overexposure.
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Alehandrew » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:29 pm

Marco Polo wrote:Nope. Most people agree that they are great characters, and some of the most refreshing character designs in the franchise in years.
+1 I think Beerus and Whis were great for the franchise. I hope they don't get pushed to the side too soon (although I do want expansion on several other new characters as well - other gods, other universes' characters etc)

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Bullza » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:54 pm

Don't forget Beerus' ability to nullify energy. That's probably one of the most OP abilities in this series.

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by precita » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:52 am

What makes Beerus such a great character is despite how LATE he was introduced into the franchise (like 15+ years after DBZ ended), he felts so natural as a character like he should of always been there. That's how you know Beerus and Whis work, they feel like they were always meant to be part of DBZ and fit in with the universe so well.

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:57 am

Beerus and Whis are great characters. Only problem is they're shoehorned everywhere/overused. imo, they shouldn't have appeared in the F or Black arcs. Beerus shouldn't have had a history with Frieza that retcons major events of the series. Hell, Whis shouldn't have been the one to train Goku and Vegeta.

Basically, Beerus should have gone back to sleep after the BoG arc up until Champa arrived. Meanwhile, Whis should have stayed guarding him. Kaioshin could have taken over the role of Beerus and Whis in the Black arc.

The writers are obsessed with these characters to the point where it's become tiring seeing them on-screen, despite them being actual good characters.
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:20 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Beerus shouldn't have had a history with Frieza that retcons major events of the series.
What was retconned, exactly? No one ever said Freeza didn't destroy Planet Vegeta out of his own free will (which, I guess he somewhat did).
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:26 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:Beerus shouldn't have had a history with Frieza that retcons major events of the series.
What was retconned, exactly? No one ever said Freeza didn't destroy Planet Vegeta out of his own free will (which, I guess he somewhat did).
A retcon isn't necessarily an alteration. It can be an addition previously unexplained. But whichever way you look at it, it was a retcon.

The series also implied Frieza feared the saiyans' rising power, as well as the possible birth of a SSJ, so it makes sense he'd do this out of his own free will, and makes his character more powerful as a result. Is there literally any fan that prefers the direction they took with Beerus commanding Frieza? It's lame.

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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:33 pm

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:The "hakai" thing need not be a god-only power. Zamasu was only ssj2 tier at the time, it makes sense for Beerus to one-shot him given the vast difference.
True. I don't really think the attack was anything special, just another type of ki attack. I also think Beerus is stronger than Goku.
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Re: Are Beerus & Whis underrated characters in Dragonball??

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:12 pm

They are far from underrated. They are best thing to happen to the franchise in more than 20 years and a lot fans view them as the best new features of modern Dragon Ball.

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