5 things you dislike in the DB franchise

[8000 Saiyan]

Wow, Kunzait. You destroyed Episode of Bardock and Dragon Ball Minus.

[Lord Beerus]

This story is just inferior to the anime special in every conceivable way. And even as an entity on its own, it makes the manga less cool by association just due to how blatantly a half-assed afterthought it is. Toriyama, even when he's lazily half-assing it, is capable of far, far, far better than this. This is the undisputed nadir of anything in the "Toriyama manga canon"..

Seriously, this has the stink of a 10 year old, sugar-addled fanfic writer who's obsessed with Bardock. But it somehow got okayed and made into an actual anime one shot. Just utterly embarrassing on every possible level. The animation is even ugly to boot (one of the single most glaring examples of shiny, candy-coated, plastified character flesh tones I've ever seen in this series' latter days). And fuck the designs of Chilled and whatever those little alien critters that Bardock makes Ewok-friends with were called. Unwatchable and braindead, even compared to the rock bottom worst Z-era filler. Fake Namek looks like William Faulkner next to this.

The complete evisceration of Episode of Bardock and Dragon Ball Minus was glorious.

[Bansho64]

Seriously, this has the stink of a 10 year old, sugar-addled fanfic writer who's obsessed with Bardock.

It really doesn't get any better than this specific line right here. EOB just got wrecked With No Vaseline

[Lord Beerus]

I also love how Kunzait_83 slayed Dragon Ball Heroes. This was my favourite part:

All the ideas and character concepts of Heroes aren't just dumb, they're palpably overwhelming and suffocating in their stupidity. It really is like a deep, thorough gazing into the abyss-like mind of a typical obnoxious 8 year old fanfic writer with heaptons of enthusiasm and energy, and not a single, solitary brain cell whatsoever.

Holy shit. I'm fucking dying.

[Grimlock]

1- The "ignore pattern" of awesome stuff.
2- The Universe travel of Dragon Ball GT.
3- The amount of attention to characters that already have enough screentime and character development.
4- Dragon Ball Minus.
5- Movie 15.

Bonus: Toei's retelling of the movies.

[ekrolo2]

I also love how Kunzait_83 slayed Dragon Ball Heroes. This was my favourite part:

All the ideas and character concepts of Heroes aren't just dumb, they're palpably overwhelming and suffocating in their stupidity. It really is like a deep, thorough gazing into the abyss-like mind of a typical obnoxious 8 year old fanfic writer with heaptons of enthusiasm and energy, and not a single, solitary brain cell whatsoever.

Holy shit. I'm fucking dying.

The man's a fucking poet of sheer disdain and loathing and God bless em for it.

[Lord Beerus]

I also love how Kunzait_83 slayed Dragon Ball Heroes. This was my favourite part:

All the ideas and character concepts of Heroes aren't just dumb, they're palpably overwhelming and suffocating in their stupidity. It really is like a deep, thorough gazing into the abyss-like mind of a typical obnoxious 8 year old fanfic writer with heaptons of enthusiasm and energy, and not a single, solitary brain cell whatsoever.

Holy shit. I'm fucking dying.

The man's a fucking poet of sheer disdain and loathing and God bless em for it.

Who needs Rocketman when we have Kunzait_83?

[Draconic]

Ressurection of F - a horrible concept executed poorly like no other in the series, not to mention a total waste of space. After Battle of Gods that relaunched the franchise in a big way, with beautiful designs and writing quality unmatched before in the franches, not to mention plot points and concepts expanding the lore and providing content for future stories, to return to an old villain who hasn't been relevant for a long time is just wrong. Even serving as the final test to showcase Goku and Vegeta's flaws before moving on to greater things it fails as either those flaws have been resolved already or the characters just outright handwave them at the end of the movie.

The Cell Arc - the point where the series took an outright break from logical expansion of the story. At the end of the Freeza arc, Goku defeats a galactic emperor with unrivaled strenght by managing to unlock a legendary transformation unseen for thousands of years. What do you do after that? Two punks with robot parts created by a bland character with a revenge wish on Goku for destroying an organization created by a guy who wanted to become taller. While Androids 19 and 20 at least make some sense as villains since they have an interesting abillity of absorbing Ki which could be used to subvert what the fights became after power levels were introduced, they get wasted in favor of two less interesting villains. Cell manages to bring something interesting to the table, with him being a hybrid of everyone who came before and a nice horror element thrown in for good measure, each absorbtion serves to just make him less and less interesting (in spite of the great designs). The ending comes out of nowhere, with Gohan recieving next to no time to do anything in the arc, until for some reason he finally manages to put his hidden power to good use into a great but undeserved climax.

Dragon Ball Kai - a retread of Z with stuff jumbled together falsely marketed as a manga accurate version, with worse music and even worse voice acting caused by burn out from the actors having to retell the same story over and over again. The only reason it's seen with good eyes is the dub, which is still badly flawed, with hit and miss recasts and horribly unnatural scripts that really don't let the actors truly showcase their improvement from the original one.

The art direction and Yammamuro's designs - the aestethic of modern Dragon Ball is held back by those glaring and outright bad decisions taken in the animation department. As shown in Super by artists like Tate, Iseki, Shida or Shimanuki who chose to either use their own beautiful styles or go by the old Z designs to spectacular results, what today's Dragon Ball could be is much better than what it actually is.

Toei's lack of pre-production on Super - with so little time to put a show together, it's a wonder that it managed to be as good as it is, mostly thanks to Toriyama continuing his creativity rennaisance after Battle of Gods (with the RoF bump in the road), however that doesn't excuse what happened. The series could have been the best in the franchise but sadly it struggles in mediocrity with glimpses of brilliance, when it could have been brilliant all the way trough with just a couple more months of preparation.

[Sailor Haumea]

Here's another dislike:

16, Lapis, and Lazuli's irrelevance: Seriously, they went from being some of the strongest characters to being minor ones. At least Lapis had a story arc in GT. But Lazuli's been demoted to housewife. Seriously, Toriyama? Are you incapable of writing female fighters? Let's have a few episodes where the android trio fucking does something. Bring back 16 and Lapis.

[Hellspawn28]

In no real order:

1. Episode of Bardock - Bardock going SSj over a kid that he barely knew. Lord Chill is pretty lame too.

2. The 1999-2005 Cartoon Network Era dub - I wish people would take off the nostalgia glasses for the old CN era dubs of Dragon Ball Z. These old dubs are filled with bad voice acting, bad dialogue, bad dub errors and bad dub changes. Not to mention the censorship for the dub was bad too. Sure the 1996-1998 dub with Ocean was not very good too, but at least the voice acting was decent in my opinion.

3. Most of Dragon Ball GT - GT was not very good at all and the whole thing was a let down. With Super, we knew that we would get original content soon and no one really had any high hopes for the retellings of the last two movies. With GT, no one knew to expect. Everyone hope it to be as awesome as DBZ and Toei did show that they can make Dragon ball fine on their own with some of the movies and TV specials. GT give us poor rehashes of past stories, annoying characters, forgettable characters and weak villains in my opinion. GT had good music, SSj4 did look cool and the Shadow Dragons was a cool idea, I give you that. Vegeta putting his old ways with Goku was fine until he wanted to become SSj4. I felt like Vegeta was returning back to his old self again with SSj4 (I remember saying that "No one will beat Kakarot expect for me" during the Shadow Dragon arc).

4. Bio Broli - I still hate this movie and I think it's just a bad movie in general. #18 came off as unlikable to me and Kid Trunks is 100% more annoying. The movie had Broli come back again for the third time and he looks so ugly. The idea of a throw back to 50's B movies is fine if they did something original with it.

5. Retellings of BOG and ROF - I think if we never had the retellings of the last two movies, Super would be way more liked by now. I know Super's rep has improve but I feel like the damage has already been done.

[Attitudefan]

I tend to agree with what Kunzait_83 said.

However, I think the Cell arc is just one of the worst arcs ever and has led to all these problems we face today.

The Cell Arc - the point where the series took an outright break from logical expansion of the story. At the end of the Freeza arc, Goku defeats a galactic emperor with unrivaled strength by managing to unlock a legendary transformation unseen for thousands of years. What do you do after that? Two punks with robot parts created by a bland character with a revenge wish on Goku for destroying an organization created by a guy who wanted to become taller. While Androids 19 and 20 at least make some sense as villains since they have an interesting ability of absorbing Ki which could be used to subvert what the fights became after power levels were introduced, they get wasted in favor of two less interesting villains. Cell manages to bring something interesting to the table, with him being a hybrid of everyone who came before and a nice horror element thrown in for good measure, each absorbtion serves to just make him less and less interesting (in spite of the great designs). The ending comes out of nowhere, with Gohan receiving next to no time to do anything in the arc, until for some reason he finally manages to put his hidden power to good use into a great but undeserved climax.

I think the bolded parts deserve attention. Seriously, how could some scientist pull that together to be stronger than an intergalactic empire that has more tools and resources than he ever will?? Gero didn't even expect Super Saiyans to be a thing, and yet his droids can take a punch from one... What!?! It's just such a lazy retread with so many holes and flaws. It's just bad. Plus it suffers from way too many transformations... again, something Gero didn't foresee and yet his creations are still better than them. No. I refuse to accept that.

Yamamuro gained prominence in this arc too, forcing the franchise to be under his direction. What a mistake.

And the blatant misuse of Gohan. He becomes a Gary Stu with his power boost coming out of nowhere. His potential was unlocked by the Grand Elder of Namek, and yet was never went super saiyan, and yet here, within a year, can defeat Cell. Somehow, more experienced fighters with perhaps just as much, if not more potential, whom are older too, cannot go to this level despite their nth transformation and yet Gohan can. Plus, the Cell arc is the reason for the rainbow of Super Saiyans and the death of the idea that a low class can defeat an elite fighter if they trained hard enough. See, Gohan's development is similar to this notion: he was strong before, sure, but never outclassed everyone. He trained hard with good masters that definitely helped him unlock potential, but it should never have been the root cause for replacing the old philosophy that training hard no matter what can get you to levels above and beyond. The domination of Saiyan genetic potential outshines the old philosophy that taking martial arts seriously will lead to being a better fighter no matter who you are. All of that is thrown out the window and has lead us down the path to where Saiyans, only them, have a god transformation that resembles more of a bowl of skittles than any serious mythical legend. What a JOKE!

[Lord Beerus]

However, I think the Cell arc is just one of the worst arcs ever and has led to all these problems we face today.

The Cell Arc - the point where the series took an outright break from logical expansion of the story. At the end of the Freeza arc, Goku defeats a galactic emperor with unrivaled strength by managing to unlock a legendary transformation unseen for thousands of years. What do you do after that? Two punks with robot parts created by a bland character with a revenge wish on Goku for destroying an organization created by a guy who wanted to become taller. While Androids 19 and 20 at least make some sense as villains since they have an interesting ability of absorbing Ki which could be used to subvert what the fights became after power levels were introduced, they get wasted in favor of two less interesting villains. Cell manages to bring something interesting to the table, with him being a hybrid of everyone who came before and a nice horror element thrown in for good measure, each absorbtion serves to just make him less and less interesting (in spite of the great designs). The ending comes out of nowhere, with Gohan receiving next to no time to do anything in the arc, until for some reason he finally manages to put his hidden power to good use into a great but undeserved climax.

I think the bolded parts deserve attention. Seriously, how could some scientist pull that together to be stronger than an intergalactic empire that has more tools and resources than he ever will?? Gero didn't even expect Super Saiyans to be a thing, and yet his droids can take a punch from one... What!?! It's just such a lazy retread with so many holes and flaws. It's just bad. Plus it suffers from way too many transformations... again, something Gero didn't foresee and yet his creations are still better than them. No. I refuse to accept that.

Yamamuro gained prominence in this arc too, forcing the franchise to be under his direction. What a mistake.

And the blatant misuse of Gohan. He becomes a Gary Stu with his power boost coming out of nowhere. His potential was unlocked by the Grand Elder of Namek, and yet was never went super saiyan, and yet here, within a year, can defeat Cell. Somehow, more experienced fighters with perhaps just as much, if not more potential, whom are older too, cannot go to this level despite their nth transformation and yet Gohan can. Plus, the Cell arc is the reason for the rainbow of Super Saiyans and the death of the idea that a low class can defeat an elite fighter if they trained hard enough. See, Gohan's development is similar to this notion: he was strong before, sure, but never outclassed everyone. He trained hard with good masters that definitely helped him unlock potential, but it should never have been the root cause for replacing the old philosophy that training hard no matter what can get you to levels above and beyond. The domination of Saiyan genetic potential outshines the old philosophy that taking martial arts seriously will lead to being a better fighter no matter who you are. All of that is thrown out the window and has lead us down the path to where Saiyans, only them, have a god transformation that resembles more of a bowl of skittles than any serious mythical legend. What a JOKE!

Thanks God I'm not alone in hating the Cell arc. It's just terrible and it started off so promisingly, too. The plot induced stupidity is what drive's me up the wall with this arc. The stupidity among the cast was unbelievable during that period. I've never seen such a long chain of God-awful, dumb decisions for the sake of keeping the plot going in my life. I honestly wanted the Z-Fighters to lose, yes, they were acting that bloody stupid. The villains were no better. But the two major offenders for me were Krillin and Vegeta.

Krillin not shutting down #18 and Vegeta allowing Cell to absorb #18 still make zero sense. Krillin's case is especially the most jarring, because he's know to be very pragmatic and actually quite good in his decision making during critical times. Remember when he was about to kill Vegeta when he was weak and couldn't defend himself in the Saiyan arc and prevent him from coming back to harm Earth? The exact polar opposite happened in Cell arc with him not shutting down #18 when he knew very well what the stakes were and would happen if Cell absorbed #18. Quite frankly, that was an incredibly OOC moment from Krillin.

Then Vegeta... holy shit. Did the Namek and Freeza arc not happen? I mean, there is very thin line between arrogance and stupidity, and Vegeta crossed that in the Cell arc. I mean, Vegeta certainly displayed arrogance on Namek, but at least he had the somewhat better judgement of getting the job done and not fucking around too much. His experience with Freeza obviously taught him nothing about letting your enemy achieve their most powerful form. And the whole "Vegeta attained a new power so he's gonna wanna test it out" card can't be used in his scenario with Semi-Perfect Cell, because when he did attain a new form and became a Super Saiyan in the Android arc, he didn't mess around with #19, he destroyed him in a matter of minutes. Then he all of sudden decides to fuck around with Semi-Perfect Cell for almost an eternity, while his son, who knows very well the consequences of Cell becoming perfect, literally begs him to kill Cell now. And Vegeta doesn't. Why? Because he crossed the line to stupidity. He's no longer being arrogant because at least when he was arrogant he eventually knew when to get the job done.

You pretty much covered how much Gohan was misused in the arc, but there's one more thing I want to add: I hated SSJ2 Kid Gohan.

Here me out.

This is mainly due to the fact the build up to the moment is so contrived. If Toriyama spent more time developing #16's character and building a more believable relationship between Gohan and #16, the moment Gohan became a SSJ2 for the first time would have been perfect. Remember Gohan's reaction after Piccolo died saving his life? That was emotional because Gohan at least got the chance to build a relationship with Piccolo to make the moment he died feel more relatable, genuine and powerful. Gohan was watching his family and friends he trained and grew up with getting beaten to death and it doesn't affect him other than making him grit his teeth harder. Yet a random Android that Gohan that doesn't know on any other level, other than he cares for all living beings on life, a viewpoint all of the Z-Fighters, excluding Vegeta, at that time also shared, dies in front of him and suddenly that makes Gohan snap and go over the edge? Nah. That's not good enough for me. I always feel that proper relationship needed to be built between the two characters to justify Gohan reacting the way he did when #16 was killed. It just helps the moment feel more raw and believable. Like when Goku became SSJ for the first time. You knew prior to that moment just how much Goku's friendship with Krillin meant to him because of how close they were depicted to be and how the reacted to each other death's the first time round. To me, it just felt like Toriyama needed an excuse for Gohan to become a SSJ2 and he threw in that speech from #16 just so that the moment could happen. All we knew about #16 prior to moment is that kinda liked birds. That's it. Hell, didn't #16 state he would still kill Goku if they were successful in defeating Cell? So that whole "#16 cares about all living things" characteristic kinda feel even more contrived. It's just all one big, fat mess, in my opinion.

[ekrolo2]

It's just all one big, fat mess, in my opinion.

Can't say I disagree with any of your thoughts, even if you did just make MozillaVulpix a very sad panda

[Trunksuu]

1) Dragon Ball Super and everything from it.

2) Super Saiyan God. It's way too overpowered and pushes the bar. It's kinda like when people used to make these incredibly OP SSJ designs like 'Super Saiyan 5 Angel' or something like that.

3) Krillin and Yamcha getting hate for the dumbest reasons.

4) Goku always getting the spotlight. Why even have other fighters if Goku's gonna defeat the bad guy and win for them?

5) Mai in Super. (REALLY don't like that. It really destroys the History of Trunks movie (because of this one manga screenshot I found and now can't find for the life of me) and has a lot of plotholes too.

There's a lot more, but 5 seems good.

[SaiyanZ]

1. Dragon Ball Minus
2. Episode of Bardock
3. Dragon Ball Super (making Goku much more child like and dumb, regressing his and Vegeta's characters, Vegeta regressing to his "fuck Kakarot" and Saiyan-pride self, the editing of the show, the very often horrible music placement, characters being caricatures of themselves a la Whis and Beerus sticking to only their food gag, the awful filler, stupid abilities a la KKx10 SSJ Blue or Trunks's recent powerup, rage moments being horrible, Fukkatsu no F being absolute garbage....I could go on, but there are a couple things I do enjoy such as Goku recently backhanding Zamasu or the beards, etc.)
4. Modern Tadayoshi Yamamuro art
5. Dragon Ball Heroes and Dragon Ball Fusions (making this series like Star Wars and Yu-Gi-Oh! to quote sintzu)

If I may do a 6th, I also strongly dislike the fanbase in general because I feel their interpretations of certain events or characters or whatever are completely skewed and not well supported.

What do you dislike about Black and Zamasu?

I don't like them a whole lot because I think their hypocritical nature isn't told well, at least in the anime. I just don't see how a character whose entire being is about hating mortals can knowingly discard his godly body to use a mortal's, and I can't see how a character that says its the gods' sovereign right to dispense justice can kill those very same gods. Their plan is horrible too, they want to build a utopia without mortals, but the gods are dead too, so whats the point? The 2 types of people that make up the universe are all gonna be gone should they succeed.

[Attitudefan]

Thanks God I'm not alone in hating the Cell arc. It's just terrible and it started off so promisingly, too. The plot induced stupidity is what drive's me up the wall with this arc. The stupidity among the cast was unbelievable during that period. I've never seen such a long chain of God-awful, dumb decisions for the sake of keeping the plot going in my life. I honestly wanted the Z-Fighters to lose, yes, they were acting that bloody stupid. The villains were no better. But the two major offenders for me were Krillin and Vegeta.

SNIP

Everything you said in your post I agree with, definitely. And yes, I guess we are the only 2 that hate this arc haha

I did forget one last thing. An old man, who converted himself to an cyborg (who we assume probably isn't very physically fit or has any fighting experience compared to the main characters) can somehow outrun them when he tries to escape. However, it was also established in the arc prior that the characters now can all fly across a whole planet in a few minutes at least and a few hours at most!! Yet somehow this old man cyborg is able to outrun them, flank them, and even escape despite being face to face with them to get into his laboratory. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?! Even when this happens, the plot tells us that he's actually much weaker than previously thought (weaker than Freeza I assume...)!! Yet somehow, surrounded, he can outrun a Super Saiyan, Piccolo, Krillin, and Ten. Piccolo even got shot in the heart at point blank range with no serious consequences, further confirming that this old man is really not an issue. Yet he out runs them. Sure. The arc really doesn't start out very strong at all.

And yeah, Bulma knew where his lair was and yet they don't bother taking him out. Fine, they say it would be unfair/not fun, but at least know where he is before taking him on just in case something goes wrong. The only reason the bad guys had a chance in the Cell/Cyborg arc was because of the protagonists' stupidity! Like you said with the Namek arc before, Lord Beerus, that the good guys and Vegeta attempted to out smart the villains cause they had no chance. Plus, Goku trained smartly compared to just sparing with Piccolo for 3 years despite foreknowledge!!! Goku, a guy who took no chances to get stronger due to knowing Vegeta was going to be on Namek, decided to train in a smarter way to out class his rival (and later learned that more powerful enemies were there too, halfway on his journey already to Namek furthering Goku's attempts to train at 100x gravity just in case he can catch up!).

(Gero's reasons for avenging the Red Ribbon army is kinda weird too. I mean, this thing was some defacto millitary regime with its leader's main goal out of it a wish to grow taller. Gero wants to defend this?)

Cyborg arc Goku on the other hand takes foreknowledge from a time traveler and decides that it still isn't a big deal. Here is the difference, Namek, out of probability, would have bad guys and were unsure of how strong these guys were; the cyborg arc, on the other hand, the have information that is basically destined to happen and yet do nothing about it only so the plot can tell us later that "oh man, these guys are actually are even tougher than the time traveler said! They should have trained even harder JUST IN CASE!" Too bad Namek happened an arc beforehand, and even the forewarning of the Saiyans the arc before that (which despite taking precautions, got most people killed). Hell, Goku's time off before the Saiyan arc didn't help his chances of dying against the Saiyans. Hell, that's also a reason why Goku takes his training even more seriously in the next arc until being retconned until it's too late with Perfect Cell. Ugh.

Plus, Cell is just a retread with Freeza and Piccolo with his transformation and regeneration abilities. The arc after that copies Cell nearly verbatim, except instead of science, it's MAGIC. Despite that, I actually think Buu is a better villain. It comes a bit out of left field and makes more sense to why he'd be a galactic threat. The cyborgs that were created in a basement being stronger than an intergalactic empire is just laughable.

The Cell arc maybe would work better if it came before space and aliens were introduced in the Saiyan arc, and it would be a bit closer in memory to the Red Ribbon arc. Where it stands in the series really diminishes the Buu arcs impact due to the retreaded tropes. I digress, the Cell arc would just be better off not being there at all.

[MarCas92]

1. Certain portions of the fandom. Too many to name but here's a few: Dub elitists, people who think DBZ is the only thing that matters, people who only see the surface of the franchise and don't recognize it's cultural influences and impact, people who judge characters on their combat prowess (I just realized most of these are the r/DBZ subreddit).
2. The over-saturation of content.This serious in on course of running itself into the ground. (NEW)
3.The poor quality of releases in English (both Manga and Video).
4. The power gaps between characters/ the under-utilization of the supporting cast.
5. The poor writing post-Namek.(Not all of it, but the writing and art took a nose dive as the series went on).

[Captain Strawberry]

I wish the show went back to a more linear way of narrative when comes to story telling with the main character.

What I mean by this, I liked it more when it was more 'Goku time' in the original Dragon ball sense. Where time did pass and you did see our side characters getting stronger so the world did still move.

I mean when our protagonist was more focused on in terms of I guess screen time? Maybe.

In Bleach, I don't like it that sometimes you could go months without seeing Ichigo.

[Captain Strawberry]

I don't see anything wrong with DB Minus. I quite like it in fact.

[The Patrolman]

Well damn I'm not going to top Kunzait, but here I go.

1. Resurrection of F: Its the most disappointing since my son. This movie is like the WWE version of the NWO as in its just there to please old fans but doesn't recognize what made it good to begin with. I say this right now, this ruined the Power Scaling of this series. With the whole 4 month training that still makes no sense and its just a excuse to make a rematch between him and Goku. Also the the outcome of the fight is aggravating. Freeza loses the same way he did on Namek isnt clever its redundant. Instead of developing on the whole 12 universes they instead take a step back on a villain that not most wanted back. The ending is just bad on a whole new level. Look you can that Vegeta didn't need to kill Freeza but he didn't die to Freeza again I mean he becomes on par with Goku after many years and he put gets shafted like he is Boba Fett. Now I was hoping that the Super version would at least make it better but it found a way to make it worse. Everything I wanted in ROF was in Super but it still failed on that too. Goten and Trunks are there but they do nothing but hit Tagoma in the balls and just defuse. Tagoma had this awesome motivation and this new power that we never seen but he got shafted too for Captain Ginyu, CAPTAIN FUCKING GINYU. He is just there to be killed by Vegeta. But the biggest low blow this thing does is Gohan. You mean to tell me that he gets angry, powers up from his anger and just passes out from being angry. Gohan. Anger. GOHAN. ANGER. The majority of his character is revolved his anger. The whole concept of the ROF feels like some That 70's Show high moments (you know those time they talk about random shit) and some brings up Freeza and gets the idea of ROF and everyone else just agrees with it.

2. Cell Arc: Ok as a child I used to love this but now I don't see it as good as I did now and for many reasons. It came after the biggest arc in the series so far to where the strongest villain was Freeza and biggest threat to the series. Then he was surpassed by MAN MADE MACHINES. Like how seriously how does that work its just not possible to me since in the last arc its been shown that Freeza tech is more advanced than earths. Its like in the Final Arc of Naruto where they replaced Madara a character that was built up big time and easily taken down and replaced by Kaguya a character that we hardly knew or cared about. I always thought Cell was the smartest villain but now I feel he is only smart because everyone else is so dumb. I get disgusted when people say that Super made Vegeta revert back to his Cell arc because there is always that one that Cell arc Vegeta lacked and that was compassion. He didn't give a shit about his own family which always makes me wonder how him and Bulma had sex. He was so whiny in that damn arc. "WAH KAKAROT IS STRONGER THAN, HIS SON IS STRONGER THAN ME, MY OWN IS STRONGER THAN ME". Cell only gets interesting when he is in his Perfect form because all he does in his imperfect form is run and all he does in his second form is get his ass whipped. The final battle while good for development doesn't really work in a climatic way that in a way that its a huge stepback of how last arc was. Gohan has had nothing to do in this arc and just randomly gets selected to do this. Also this arc created SSJ2 Teen Gohan fans and I hate those type of fans. The fights are so one sided and boring besides Goku VS Cell and Piccolo vs 17. Overall this arc has not age well in the slightest.

3. Dragon Ball Minus: I'm okay with EOB because to me its harmless to me. If Toei wants to do their own fanfiction good for them. But Minus IS CANON. It retcons a good story with Bardock and how he was in the story. Newsflash people Bardock is not a hero, he is just ruthless and heartless just like any other Saiyan. Why was this made? So we know Goku mom is even since I was little I always thought it was Fasha.


4. Dragon Ball Kai: Where to begin? The only good thing it does is the dub and even then I dont like most of the voices (I'm looking at you Colleen Clinkenbeard). This whole thing can be summed in one word. LAZY! Of all remakes like Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood or Hellsing Ultimate they both reanimated the series to be like the manga and it worked perfectly but this didnt try. They say no fillers but kept in that filler where Gohan goes back to fight Freeza. The redrawn animation is terrible and when it pops up it annoys me to no end. This is lazy to no end.

5. Dragon Ball Heroes: FANFICTION. Back when I was little I thought this was a new series but I was lied to by clickbait BS. It started cool but it then got ridiculous and then it got stupid. SSJ4 Broly really?