The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

This is the weirdest match up. A Power Ranger versus an obscure filler villain from Dragonball.

Anyway, Shula was able to put up a fight against Fortuneteller Baba arc Son Goku, who by this point was a massively hypersonic city buster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers they're basically the equivalent of comic book Peak Human tier martial artists, so Shula obviously stomps pretty hard. A closer match-up for Tommy Oliver would be 25th Budokai Videl, and he should be able to stomp the shit out of Mr. Satan. Depending on how fast the PR's are, Tommy might be fast enough to give Beginning of DB Son Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. some trouble before Tommy gets his head punched off his shoulders.

By the way, I was never able to get into Power Rangers, even as a kid. Just way too cheesy. The series from Boom comics that came out earlier this year looks pretty good though, and I'll probably see the new movie when it comes out.

[TheUltimateNinja]

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

This is the weirdest match up. A Power Ranger versus an obscure filler villain from Dragonball.

Anyway, Shula was able to put up a fight against Fortuneteller Baba arc Son Goku, who by this point was a massively hypersonic city buster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers they're basically the equivalent of comic book Peak Human tier martial artists, so Shula obviously stomps pretty hard. A closer match-up for Tommy Oliver would be 25th Budokai Videl, and he should be able to stomp the shit out of Mr. Satan. Depending on how fast the PR's are, Tommy might be fast enough to give Beginning of DB Son Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. some trouble before Tommy gets his head punched off his shoulders.

By the way, I was never able to get into Power Rangers, even as a kid. Just way too cheesy. The series from Boom comics that came out earlier this year looks pretty good though, and I'll probably see the new movie when it comes out.

From what I've seen of the PRs some versions of them are able to summon badass mech suits and stuff, though.

[Steven Bloodriver]

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

This is the weirdest match up. A Power Ranger versus an obscure filler villain from Dragonball.

Anyway, Shula was able to put up a fight against Fortuneteller Baba arc Son Goku, who by this point was a massively hypersonic city buster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers they're basically the equivalent of comic book Peak Human tier martial artists, so Shula obviously stomps pretty hard. A closer match-up for Tommy Oliver would be 25th Budokai Videl, and he should be able to stomp the shit out of Mr. Satan. Depending on how fast the PR's are, Tommy might be fast enough to give Beginning of DB Son Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. some trouble before Tommy gets his head punched off his shoulders.

By the way, I was never able to get into Power Rangers, even as a kid. Just way too cheesy. The series from Boom comics that came out earlier this year looks pretty good though, and I'll probably see the new movie when it comes out.

None of the Power Rangers are that weak, Tommy Oliver as the Green Ranger would be able to fight on par with Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball. Absolutely dominate the hell out of the Yamcha from the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. And be able to do a far better job than what Krillin did against Jackie Chun if Tommy Oliver had been able to compete with his Green Power Ranger power.

[In Brightest Day]

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

This is the weirdest match up. A Power Ranger versus an obscure filler villain from Dragonball.

Anyway, Shula was able to put up a fight against Fortuneteller Baba arc Son Goku, who by this point was a massively hypersonic city buster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers they're basically the equivalent of comic book Peak Human tier martial artists, so Shula obviously stomps pretty hard. A closer match-up for Tommy Oliver would be 25th Budokai Videl, and he should be able to stomp the shit out of Mr. Satan. Depending on how fast the PR's are, Tommy might be fast enough to give Beginning of DB Son Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. some trouble before Tommy gets his head punched off his shoulders.

By the way, I was never able to get into Power Rangers, even as a kid. Just way too cheesy. The series from Boom comics that came out earlier this year looks pretty good though, and I'll probably see the new movie when it comes out.

None of the Power Rangers are that weak, Tommy Oliver as the Green Ranger would be able to fight on par with Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball.

Fair enough. From what I had seen of the series, most of the characters seemed like Batman tier at the most. What feats place the Rangers at Goku's level of strength? They would have to be at least small building level.

[Angelus]

Let's have some fusions and absorbing match ups going on!

Manga SSJ3 Tienku (Goku + Tien Potara Fusion, and then turned SSJ3) and Manga SSJ2 Vegapis (Vegeta + Android 17 Fusion and then turned SSJ2) VS Manga Buuhan (Super Buu absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan, Piccolo, and base Goten and Trunks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. Just assume that Android 17 won't cause problems with the fusion and imagine Vegeta as fusing with someone roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo]

Android 17 and Android 18 Fusion Dance VS Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan
[Ignore the GT #17+Hell Fighter 17 Fusion logic or multiplier. Just imagine two people that are roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo, successfully fusing]

25th WMAT Krillin + Yamcha Fusion Dance VS SSJ Goku (Namek Arc)
[No Solar Flare or Kienzan allowed. Ignore the height thing between Yamcha and Krillin and just assume that both will successfully fuse]

Chi Chi VS Yajirobe
[Both during the 23rd WMAT. No sword of course]

[Steven Bloodriver]

This is the weirdest match up. A Power Ranger versus an obscure filler villain from Dragonball.

Anyway, Shula was able to put up a fight against Fortuneteller Baba arc Son Goku, who by this point was a massively hypersonic city buster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers they're basically the equivalent of comic book Peak Human tier martial artists, so Shula obviously stomps pretty hard. A closer match-up for Tommy Oliver would be 25th Budokai Videl, and he should be able to stomp the shit out of Mr. Satan. Depending on how fast the PR's are, Tommy might be fast enough to give Beginning of DB Son Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. some trouble before Tommy gets his head punched off his shoulders.

By the way, I was never able to get into Power Rangers, even as a kid. Just way too cheesy. The series from Boom comics that came out earlier this year looks pretty good though, and I'll probably see the new movie when it comes out.

None of the Power Rangers are that weak, Tommy Oliver as the Green Ranger would be able to fight on par with Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball.

Fair enough. From what I had seen of the series, most of the characters seemed like Batman tier at the most. What feats place the Rangers at Goku's level of strength? They would have to be at least small building level.

I once saw a Power Ranger lift a car and throw it with much less difficulty than what Goku did to Bulma's car from the beginning of Dragon Ball.

[DBZAOTA482]

Let's have some fusions and absorbing match ups going on!

Manga SSJ3 Tienku (Goku + Tien Potara Fusion, and then turned SSJ3) and Manga SSJ2 Vegapis (Vegeta + Android 17 Fusion and then turned SSJ2) VS Manga Buuhan (Super Buu absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan, Piccolo, and base Goten and Trunks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. Just assume that Android 17 won't cause problems with the fusion and imagine Vegeta as fusing with someone roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo]

Android 17 and Android 18 Fusion Dance VS Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan
[Ignore the GT #17+Hell Fighter 17 Fusion logic or multiplier. Just imagine two people that are roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo, successfully fusing]

25th WMAT Krillin + Yamcha Fusion Dance VS SSJ Goku (Namek Arc)
[No Solar Flare or Kienzan allowed. Ignore the height thing between Yamcha and Krillin and just assume that both will successfully fuse]

Chi Chi VS Yajirobe
[Both during the 23rd WMAT. No sword of course]

-Boohan shitstomps
-SSJ2 Gohan one-shots and this fusion may not be possible for the androids
-SSJ Goku one-shots
-There's no real way of telling who's stronger at this point (though Yajirobe has more, but not much, clear feats) but I'd Chi-Chi by an inch as her being able to sightly push a suppressed weighted Goku is more impressive than Yajirobe getting tea-bagged by Kami (Shen).

[In Brightest Day]

None of the Power Rangers are that weak, Tommy Oliver as the Green Ranger would be able to fight on par with Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball.

Fair enough. From what I had seen of the series, most of the characters seemed like Batman tier at the most. What feats place the Rangers at Goku's level of strength? They would have to be at least small building level.

I once saw a Power Ranger lift a car and throw it with much less difficulty than what Goku did to Bulma's car from the beginning of Dragon Ball.

Are the Power Rangers bullet proof and is their overall durability, strength, speed, etc. all comparable to each other? Have any of the Rangers been able to replicate something close or above this level of strength:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Khin]

SSJ Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (No absorbing or candy beam. No fusion time limit)

If Gotenks can beat Innocent Boo, I don't see why he can't beat an even weaker Grey Buu. Unless he dicks around (Which he likely will), still I'm giving this one to him.

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)

— Gero's infinite stamina will play a big factor in this one. If it's 100% Full Power Freeza, his stamina would rapidly increase as the fight goes on, and causes him to lose. However, Gero is just an old man who showed no skill or interesting technique whatsoever, so odds are Freeza will probably win if he's not in his bulky state.
— As per the recent episode of Super. Vegeta absolutely manhandled Black, the same Black that destroyed Goku back in ep#61. As for right now, Vegeta is far too strong for Goku to handle. Unless he gets to use Super Saiyan Blue + Kaio-ken x10, he loses.
— If this is Goten after he trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gohan is fucked.
— I'm one of those people who goes with anime South Kaioshin. So Cell gets pwned hard.
— I think the gap between the two is far too big that even Piccolo's superior skills wouldn't do anything.
— Giving this one to Butta. Recoom is a cocky bastard and would likely be caught off guard. Butta's superior speed will likely play a big factor in his victory.
— Gogeta would need Super Saiyan 3 to match Evil Boo. With just regular Super Saiyan, he gets manhandled.

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

Gohan still one shots his father. With just a mere 10x boost to his Super Saiyan 2, Goku would still be way below to his son. If this is Super Saiyan 3 + Kaio-ken x10 instead, I can see Goku winning this.

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

— I would say a Cell Junior. Piccolo was shown to be holding his own against them back in the Cell Arc, and with about 11 years of training. I'd say he's probably strong enough to win against a single one.
— Assuming you mean the anime version of Super. Piccolo put up a good fight against Final Form Frost, whom Vegeta needed Super Saiyan to one shot, who in his base form can easily defeat Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks (Although it was implied that Goku and Vegeta got stronger after the tournament). There's also a brief sparring match in episode #30 with Piccolo and seemingly Ultimate Gohan fighting evenly. Though it was implied in that episode that Gohan has yet to recover all his lost power, I would say Piccolo is still on the level of Ultimate Gohan. With that, he can beat him.
— At this point there's really no way to tell how strong everyone are by the end of Z given the new materials.

[Angelus]

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

Gohan still one shots his father. With just a mere 10x boost to his Super Saiyan, Goku would still be way below to his son. If this is Super Saiyan 3 + Kaio-ken x10 instead, I can see Goku winning this.

Ohh but it's SSJ2 x 10 not just plain SSJ

[In Brightest Day]

None of the Power Rangers are that weak, Tommy Oliver as the Green Ranger would be able to fight on par with Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball. Absolutely dominate the hell out of the Yamcha from the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament. And be able to do a far better job than what Krillin did against Jackie Chun if Tommy Oliver had been able to compete with his Green Power Ranger power.

Sorry, didn't see you had edited this. 21st Budokai Yamcha should be stronger than first appearance Goku considering he entered the tournament knowing an improved Goku would be entering and 21st Budokai Krillin is also far, far beyond first appearance Goku, but I get your meaning. In short, if Tommy is a match for first appearance Goku, he'd be vastly outmatched by the any of the main cast during the the 21st Budokai.

[Khin]

Ohh but it's SSJ2 x 10 not just plain SSJ

Oh yeah, I forgot to write '2' on that one.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Ohh but it's SSJ2 x 10 not just plain SSJ

Oh yeah, I forgot to write '2' on that one.

What kind of gap do you have between Goku and Gohan that even 10x SSJ2 would still leave Goku weak enough to get one-shotted?

Let's have some fusions and absorbing match ups going on!

Manga SSJ3 Tienku (Goku + Tien Potara Fusion, and then turned SSJ3) and Manga SSJ2 Vegapis (Vegeta + Android 17 Fusion and then turned SSJ2) VS Manga Buuhan (Super Buu absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan, Piccolo, and base Goten and Trunks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. Just assume that Android 17 won't cause problems with the fusion and imagine Vegeta as fusing with someone roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo]

Android 17 and Android 18 Fusion Dance VS Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan
[Ignore the GT #17+Hell Fighter 17 Fusion logic or multiplier. Just imagine two people that are roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo, successfully fusing]

25th WMAT Krillin + Yamcha Fusion Dance VS SSJ Goku (Namek Arc)
[No Solar Flare or Kienzan allowed. Ignore the height thing between Yamcha and Krillin and just assume that both will successfully fuse]

Chi Chi VS Yajirobe
[Both during the 23rd WMAT. No sword of course]

-Buuhan effortlessly solos.

-They get curbstomped by regular MSSJ Gohan let alone SSJ2.

- SSJ Goku oneshots.

- Closest fight on your list, I'd say Yajirobe would take this under normal circumstances but without his sword Chi Chi could beat him.

[Khin]

What kind of gap do you have between Goku and Gohan that even 10x SSJ2 would still leave Goku weak enough to get one-shotted ?

Super Saiyan Gotenks prior to his training in the Room of Spirit and Time is stronger than Innocent Boo, who is way stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Goku. And even after he trained in the RoSaT and got much stronger, he was still weaker than Ultimate Gohan is his Super Saiyan 3 form, which is 8x stronger than regular Super Saiyan (As per Super Exciting Guide's Super Saiyan multipliers).

To put it in a power level scale

Goku: 85
-- SS2: 8,500
-- SS2+KKx10: 85,000

Innocent Boo: 25,000

Gotenks (Pre RoSaT): 500
-- SS: 25,000

Ultimate Gohan: At least 200,000

The ''at least'' part and not putting Post Room of Spirit and Time Gotenks is because I don't have any numbers for them so far. So I just scaled Gohan from Pre RoSaT Gotenks, who should be at least 8 times weaker than Gohan.

[Roronoa-pt]

Vegeta & Goku ( base, with godly KI, like Goku against Beerus/Hit or against Final Form Frieza) vs Future Zamasu
SSJ3 Goku ( Full Power ) vs Future Zamasu

Please note that Zamasu is not immortal.

[Khin]

Vegeta & Goku ( base, with godly KI, like Goku against Beerus/Hit or against Final Form Frieza) vs Future Zamasu
SSJ3 Goku ( Full Power ) vs Future Zamasu

Please note that Zamasu is not immortal.

Future Zamasu is about on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku. He wins both matches with ease.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta & Goku ( base, with godly KI, like Goku against Beerus/Hit or against Final Form Frieza) vs Future Zamasu
SSJ3 Goku ( Full Power ) vs Future Zamasu

Please note that Zamasu is not immortal.

-Zamasu wins with high difficulty.
- Zamasu oneshots SSJ3 Goku.

What kind of gap do you have between Goku and Gohan that even 10x SSJ2 would still leave Goku weak enough to get one-shotted ?

Super Saiyan Gotenks prior to his training in the Room of Spirit and Time is stronger than Innocent Boo, who is way stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Goku. And even after he trained in the RoSaT and got much stronger, he was still weaker than Ultimate Gohan is his Super Saiyan 3 form, which is 8x stronger than regular Super Saiyan (As per Super Exciting Guide's Super Saiyan multipliers).

To put it in a power level scale

Goku: 85
-- SS2: 8,500
-- SS2+KKx10: 85,000

Innocent Boo: 25,000

Gotenks (Pre RoSaT): 500
-- SS: 25,000

Ultimate Gohan: At least 200,000

The ''at least'' part and not putting Post Room of Spirit and Time Gotenks is because I don't have any numbers for them so far. So I just scaled Gohan from Pre RoSaT Gotenks, who should be at least 8 times weaker than Gohan.

The story and the guides' implications regarding Gotenks' power are really messy. The Daizenshuu says that Gotenks surpassed Vegeta and the others after training in the time chamber, so his SSJ is only around mid-SSJ2 tier Pre-RoSAT and weaker than high tier SSJ2s like Majin Vegeta and Goku.

On the other hand, you could take that to mean that they're referring to his base rather than his SSJ in which case Gotenks would be hundreds of times stronger than the non-fused Saiyans, which is just ridiculous power-bloat.

It actually gets even worse if you take certain scenes from the manga into account such as Base Gotenks (Pre) surviving a bout with Buu albeit heavily battered which would suggest him being around Majin Vegeta level and therefore 100x stronger than Goku, and then Piccolo thinking even SSJ Gotenks stands no chance against Super Buu, but upon seeing Base Gotenks (Post) he thinks he may have a chance, so this implies Gotenks became considerably stronger than his SSJ after training for 2 weeks in the time chamber, which would mean another 100x increase in power which would put him at 10,000x stronger than Goku.

[Khin]

The story and the guides' implications regarding Gotenks' power are really messy. The Daizenshuu says that Gotenks surpassed Vegeta and the others after training in the time chamber, so his SSJ is only around mid-SSJ2 tier Pre-RoSAT and weaker than high tier SSJ2s like Majin Vegeta and Goku.

On the other hand, you could take that to mean that they're referring to his base rather than his SSJ in which case Gotenks would be hundreds of times stronger than the non-fused Saiyans, which is just ridiculous power-bloat.

It actually gets even worse if you take certain scenes from the manga into account such as Base Gotenks (Pre) surviving a bout with Buu albeit heavily battered which would suggest him being around Majin Vegeta level and therefore 100x stronger than Goku, and then Piccolo thinking even SSJ Gotenks stands no chance against Super Buu, but upon seeing Base Gotenks (Post) he thinks he may have a chance, so this implies Gotenks became considerably stronger than his SSJ after training for 2 weeks in the time chamber, which would mean another 100x increase in power which would put him at 10,000x stronger than Goku.

I don't take guidebook entries that contradicts what was presented in the manga, like that entry that said Gohan was Super Saiyan 2 against Dabra. We were clearly presented with handful implications that Gotenks is stronger than Innocent Boo. One is Goku declining to send the kids to the Room of Spirit and Time, and him saying multiple times how Gotenks can beat Boo that was never contradicted in the manga at all.

When Trunks and Goten first transformed into Super Saiyan Gotenks. Piccolo only doubted their speed and not their power, and he only noted how they have only have little time in their fusion when Gotenks was about to attack Boo, unlike before where he noted that they can't attack Boo because they're still weaker.

The reason why I don't have numbers for Ultimate Gohan and Post Room of Spirit and Time Gotenks so far is because of the Base Gotenks issue. But normally I don't care that much about Battle Powers so I can accept Base Gotenks being stronger than Pre RoSaT SS Gotenks.

However, I'm starting to think that the only reason why Piccolo thought Gotenks might now be able to beat Evil Boo is because he can sense that Gotenks have a higher transformation. We are given multiple cases of characters knowing someone has another transformation up their sleeve -- one is Kuririn knowing that Trunks is hiding Super Saiyan Grade III. So Piccolo may also have sensed that Gotenks is hiding another transformation, which is Super Saiyan 2, but he probably never knew that Gotenks have a transformation even beyond that, which is why he was surprised when Gotenks turned into Super Saiyan 3. But either way, he probably thought that Gotenks may now have the chance against Evil Boo because he knew Gotenks was hiding another transformation. But when Gotenks seemingly can't turn into Super Saiyan, he lost all his hope.

Trunks saying they now can beat Boo without Super Saiyan can just simply be interpreted as him being cocky. Much like how they first thought they can beat Innocent Boo in their regular form.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Snip.

Piccolo only lost hope after he saw Buu kick Gotenks' ass, before that he actually thought Gotenks may win. Plus, he thought Gotenks couldn't transform as he says, "Oh, he can transform even after fusing?" when Gotenks goes SSJ so he was clearly thinking of Gotenks' base power.

[Khin]

Piccolo only lost hope after he saw Buu kick Gotenks' ass, before that he actually thought Gotenks may win. Plus, he thought Gotenks couldn't transform as he says, "Oh, he can transform even after fusing?" when Gotenks goes SSJ so he was clearly thinking of Gotenks' base power.

That's what I'm saying. Piccolo lost hope after Boo started kicking Gotenks' butt and seemingly can't turn into Super Saiyan. Which is why he was surprised later when Gotenks transformed into Super Saiyan.

But looking back at the Strength Checker. It seems that Piccolo realized that Base Gotenks wouldn't win against Boo when his attacks aren't doing anything, not when Gotenks was getting his ass kicked. So the implication is Piccolo thought Gotenks might win when they fused, but then realized they won't win when Gotenks' attack aren't doing anything.

So either you think SS Gotenks (Pre RoSaT) < Base Gotenks (Post RoSaT), or you could just think Piccolo was just being desperate. After all, he also thought that Super Saiyan Gotenks might possibly win against Evil Boo, and then admitted later that Gotenks can't. Or you could think both, I don't really mind Base Gotenks being that strong.