Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 16; Still Unreleased

[TheBlackPaladin]

Foreign shows are not illegal under Canadian law, and air all the time (what Canadian TV network in their right mind is going to turn down Game of Thrones, for example?). The Canadian Content Laws don't make foreign content illegal, it just mandates that every network has to have a certain amount of Canadian content. Once that quota has been filled, they're allowed to air foreign content. Actually, if I recall correctly, despite being produced in Canada, the Westwood dub actually began airing in the UK first. The FUNimation dub was on Canadian TV until one day it was switched out with the Westwood dub without explanation.

Must've been a surprise for Canadians. "Wait, whoa, the old voices are back!?"

[8000 Saiyan]

Pity they couldn't get David Kaye back for Recoome since he works in LA. I hope that the new voice won't be a Sabat imitation.

[Tian]

I don't think content laws will prevent the Funimation dub from airing. The fact broadcasters air the American dubs of Pokémon, and now Yu-Gi-Oh! shows it isn't necessary for a Canadian alternate dub to be produced for any anime that airs (and to my knowledge neither Pokémon nor Yu-Gi-Oh! ever had a Canadian dub created for them).

Although no Canadian network seems to be interested in Dragon Ball Kai but if one does in the future I hope they will buy the Ocean dub, the fact it was made in Canada would make it the economically-preferable choice.

If I recall correctly, Pokémon had a French Canadian dub recorded in Quebec : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... _in_Canada

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I don't think content laws will prevent the Funimation dub from airing. The fact broadcasters air the American dubs of Pokémon, and now Yu-Gi-Oh! shows it isn't necessary for a Canadian alternate dub to be produced for any anime that airs (and to my knowledge neither Pokémon nor Yu-Gi-Oh! ever had a Canadian dub created for them).

Although no Canadian network seems to be interested in Dragon Ball Kai but if one does in the future I hope they will buy the Ocean dub, the fact it was made in Canada would make it the economically-preferable choice.

If I recall correctly, Pokémon had a French Canadian dub recorded in Quebec : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... _in_Canada

But the Quebec Pokémon dub is French so it wouldn't be an obstacle for the 4Kids dub when it comes to broadcast. My point in response to 8000 Saiyan was that Pokémon is an example of the fact Canadian networks can and have aired American dubs of anime, and thus it is not essential for native alternatives (such as a Canadian-produced English dub) to be used as substitutes, and therefore while we would all hope it won't happen it is possible the Funimation dub of Kai could get a Canadian broadcast. Although it would be pretty redundant at this stage when Kai is no longer a big deal for the fanbase at large, an Ocean dub would feel less so since its still new in the sense that it's never been released in any shape or form. Apologies for the confusion, I probably should have specified Canadian English dubs.

[8000 Saiyan]

Canada should get Toonami. If that ever happened, I'm sure they could air Ocean Kai.

[Arian]

Canada should get Toonami. If that ever happened, I'm sure they could air Ocean Kai.

Although I agree with this, I don't think it's Ocean Kai is dependent on a Toonami block or something of the sort to air.

[Hellspawn28]

If they can't get a TV airing, could have the Ocean dub of Kai get a home video and digital release? Kai is already several years old, so it would be interesting if Ocean could move on to dubbing Super.

[8000 Saiyan]

If they can't get a TV airing, could have the Ocean dub of Kai get a home video and digital release? Kai is already several years old, so it would be interesting if Ocean could move on to dubbing Super.

Probably not, which is a shame. Perhaps we could ask the producers of the dub to stream it.

For example, I think the actors in the original dub of Sailor Moon did a great job considering the material given to them, but the material given to them was--for the most part--not compatible with the act of producing a faithful English version of the original show.

I'm surprised you like the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, since many people despise it. Many people feel that most of the voice actors, with the exception of Susan Roman, Jeff Lumby, Katie Griffin, Vince Corazza and Rino Romano, were miscast.

[TheBlackPaladin]

If they can't get a TV airing, could have the Ocean dub of Kai get a home video and digital release? Kai is already several years old, so it would be interesting if Ocean could move on to dubbing Super.

A home video release has almost no chance of happening since FUNimation has both the home video and the streaming rights. If it weren't for the release of the "Rock the Dragon" box set a few years ago (which most of us thought was fake at first), I would have gone ahead and written that it has literally no chance of getting released.

An Ocean dub of Super would certainly be interesting, though, and it seems more feasible at this point. They better make sure they get a TV deal first this time instead of dubbing the whole show only to find out no one's interested.

For example, I think the actors in the original dub of Sailor Moon did a great job considering the material given to them, but the material given to them was--for the most part--not compatible with the act of producing a faithful English version of the original show.

I'm surprised you like the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, since many people despise it. Many people feel that most of the voice actors, with the exception of Susan Roman, Jeff Lumby, Katie Griffin, Vince Corazza and Rino Romano, were miscast.

Well, I didn't say I liked it. I said I think the actors in it did a good job considering the material given to them.

The material given to them was the problem. The director of that dub, Roland Parliament, wrote a book on the production of the dub, and it turns out the top priority of the producers was to get the dub released as quickly as possible, which led to countless problems. My post wasn't to excuse bad dubs, it was simply to point out that actors are often not the culprits when a dub is bad. They're the most remembered aspect of the dub, but they have next to zero influence in how a dub is handled...by the time they get in the booth, countless decisions--from people higher up on the food chain--have already been made that either make their job easy or exceedingly difficult. Even miscasts are the fault of the directors and casting directors, not the actors.

[8000 Saiyan]

If they can't get a TV airing, could have the Ocean dub of Kai get a home video and digital release? Kai is already several years old, so it would be interesting if Ocean could move on to dubbing Super.

A home video release has almost no chance of happening since FUNimation has both the home video and the streaming rights. If it weren't for the release of the "Rock the Dragon" box set a few years ago (which most of us thought was fake at first), I would have gone ahead and written that it has literally no chance of getting released.

An Ocean dub of Super would certainly be interesting, though, and it seems more feasible at this point. They better make sure they get a TV deal first this time instead of dubbing the whole show only to find out no one's interested.

For example, I think the actors in the original dub of Sailor Moon did a great job considering the material given to them, but the material given to them was--for the most part--not compatible with the act of producing a faithful English version of the original show.

I'm surprised you like the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, since many people despise it. Many people feel that most of the voice actors, with the exception of Susan Roman, Jeff Lumby, Katie Griffin, Vince Corazza and Rino Romano, were miscast.

Well, I didn't say I liked it. I said I think the actors in it did a good job considering the material given to them.

The material given to them was the problem. The director of that dub, Roland Parliament, wrote a book on the production of the dub, and it turns out the top priority of the producers was to get the dub released as quickly as possible, which led to countless problems. My post wasn't to excuse bad dubs, it was simply to point out that actors are often not the culprits when a dub is bad. They're the most remembered aspect of the dub, but they have next to zero influence in how a dub is handled...by the time they get in the booth, countless decisions--from people higher up on the food chain--have already been made that either make their job easy or exceedingly difficult. Even miscasts are the fault of the directors and casting directors, not the actors.

I'm aware that miscasts are the fault of the voice and casting directors, but you know how sometimes fans mindlessly blame the actors for the problems of a dub. And sorry for misunderstanding your post.

While I'd love to see a Ocean dub of Super, I can't see it happening.

[Robo4900]

I think an Ocean dub of Super would be very interesting. Although, given how long it's taken Funimation to even start recording their dub, I doubt Ocean would be able to get their own dub of it out any time soon.

[superrayman3]

I'm surprised you like the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, since many people despise it. Many people feel that most of the voice actors, with the exception of Susan Roman, Jeff Lumby, Katie Griffin, Vince Corazza and Rino Romano, were miscast.

I'm actually surprised most people didn't like Tracey Moore as well who IMHO is the one and only true english VA for Sailor Moon and I will always stand by that (nothing against Terri Hawks or Stephanie Sheh but Moore just sounded more natural for a teenage girl in comparison and don't even get me started on the train wreck that is Linda Ballantyne) I also liked Naz Edwards as Queen Beryl and Tony Daniels as Jadeite (I really wish those three could've came back and reprised those roles for the VIZ dub... hey I can dream can't I), oh can't forget Wendy Lyon as Usagi's mother/Queen Serenity .

On Topic: I've pretty much given up hope on ever seeing Ocean Kai at this point and have accepted the simple fact that it'll probably remain in Ocean's vaults (and before you start saying I'm not being optimistic in light of the recent developments think about this for a second, we're going on 6 years now since this thread started 6 years, and what does anybody have to show for all that time? Zip nada zilch, not a single thing has changed as it relates to seeing this dub released to the public so we're pretty much still at square one, it's kinda hard to keep up the hope when you take these facts into consideration and how much time has passed y'know, then again I also pretty much gave up hope that Shenmue III would ever happen after 10+ years and I see how that turned out so who knows, maybe I'll be proven wrong here although realistically speaking the chances of that dwindle more and more with each passing day).

[Dbzfan94]

I think an Ocean dub of Super would be very interesting. Although, given how long it's taken Funimation to even start recording their dub, I doubt Ocean would be able to get their own dub of it out any time soon.

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

[Robo4900]

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

Yeah, but it took a while. If Ocean wanted to dub Super, and it took anywhere near as long to get it off the ground, they'd have to dub quite fast to catch up with Funi.

[NitroEX]

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

Yeah, but it took a while. If Ocean wanted to dub Super, and it took anywhere near as long to get it off the ground, they'd have to dub quite fast to catch up with Funi.

Ocean are not dubbing Super. At least two of the actors have already confirmed they haven't even got to Final Chapters yet which makes sense considering the first Kai dub didn't get a broadcast and thus wasn't a lucrative move for whoever produced it.

It wouldn't surprise me if the producers have now been discouraged from dubbing any future Dragonball content in Canada. Unless this Kai dub comes out I think it might be the end of Ocean dubbed Dragon Ball altogether. I suppose Toei could hire Ocean themselves but that just seems very unlikely considering how close Funimation seem to be with them.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

Yeah, but it took a while. If Ocean wanted to dub Super, and it took anywhere near as long to get it off the ground, they'd have to dub quite fast to catch up with Funi.

Ocean are not dubbing Super. At least two of the actors have already confirmed they haven't even got to Final Chapters yet which makes sense considering the first Kai dub didn't get a broadcast and thus wasn't a lucrative move for whoever produced it.

It wouldn't surprise me if the producers have now been discouraged from dubbing any future Dragonball content in Canada. Unless this Kai dub comes out I think it might be the end of Ocean dubbed Dragon Ball altogether. I suppose Toei could hire Ocean themselves but that just seems very unlikely considering how close Funimation seem to be with them.

An Ocean dub of Super would be interesting. Since toy-based properties seem to be Canadian broadcaster's preference for anime and Super has an upcoming toy line (which will only become bigger with the Gi-change excuses TOEI are coming up with to make more toys) a Super dub may have a better chance of getting a TV deal than Kai.

Depending on how well the Super Funimation dub does when it comes out (I strongly suspect this will be next year) Canadian broadcasters may rethink their lack of interest in the Dragon Ball brand. Of course if Funimation manages to sell their dub of Super to Canada we can probably rule out the possibility of this happening. If not, who knows, a successful Ocean Super may pave the way for Ocean Kai to finally be released on Canadian TV if the broadcasters want to keep pumping out new episodes and keep the ratings strong. Sure most people in the West saw Dragon Ball Z before the original Dragon Ball, another generation of kids seeing Super before Kai wouldn't be too much different. All we can do is hope the producers of an Ocean Super will get a TV deal before they go ahead with the dubbing, which they will most likely do to avoid losing any more money.

I don't see TOEI hiring Ocean to dub Super as a possibility seen as how they didn't allow Kix to air Ocean Kai.

[Danfun64]

A prediction...

When Funi begins its dub of Super, Canada will air it (partially to see how well DB will work in Canada, partially because its a whole new series instead of a remake/recut). If that goes well, they'll air Ocean Kai side by side with Funi Super (partially so that they can test how new audiences react to the Ocean cast, partially because if an Ocean Super dub is to be made, Ocean Kai has to come first.) If both go well, then after a certain point Ocean will dub Super episodes after a certain point (like how Westwood dubbed DBZ after the in house "Season 3"). Naturally, if Canada gets further into Funi Super then English speaking European nations, Ocean may or may not dub earlier episodes of Super.

The way I proposed in this post would allow Canada to experiment with DB again while avoiding wasting any more money making a dub nobody will ever see, while not throwing Ocean away completely.

[simtek34]

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

What?!?!?! When did this happen? (Was it the Jason Douglas thing from July?)

[Dbzfan94]

Funimation has started dubbing DBS, it got leaked but they covered it up quick.

What?!?!?! When did this happen? (Was it the Jason Douglas thing from July?)

Yeah it was.

[8000 Saiyan]

I think it's a shame that Funimation didn't give Ocean the redubbing rights for The Vision of Escaflowne. I know that Ocean's Escaflowne dub wasn't very good, but I think they could have done better this time around, especially Kelly Sheridan as Hitomi. Pity that Funimation has to dub everything nowadays. Their Shakugan no Shana dub wasn't very good IMO.