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Post by Bansho64 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:53 pm

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Wait, don't you mean sanity?
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:04 pm

Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: No one, and I mean fucking no one in their right mind would ever, EVER, become aware of the apocalypse like the Z-fighters are in the early Android arc and have an easy means to prevent it and chose not to just because they want to fight people. No sane person would do that yet the series majoratively treats that as the norm.
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Someone's got a thing for the apocalypse:P
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Doctor. » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:14 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: No one, and I mean fucking no one in their right mind would ever, EVER, become aware of the apocalypse like the Z-fighters are in the early Android arc and have an easy means to prevent it and chose not to just because they want to fight people. No sane person would do that yet the series majoratively treats that as the norm.
You dare doubt my insanity?
Someone's got a thing for the apocalypse:P
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Noah » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:35 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:So what? What is and isn't his idea has no bearing on anything. Toriyama has historically never expounded upon anything that isn't in his original manga (Bardock aside). Besides, Toriyama is notorious for pulling concepts straight from his ass.
It means that if some fillers are actually his ideas, is that what he meant to show from his own work.
ekrolo2 wrote: No one, and I mean fucking no one in their right mind would ever, EVER, become aware of the apocalypse like the Z-fighters are in the early Android arc and have an easy means to prevent it and chose not to just because they want to fight people. No sane person would do that yet the series majoratively treats that as the norm.
I don't agree, when you have things like Dragon Balls and a Super Saiyan as your close friend you would just be taken by the hype
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:42 pm

Noah wrote: I don't agree, when you have things like Dragon Balls and a Super Saiyan as your close friend you would just be taken by the hype
Their hype over Goku's awesome King Kai training didn't make Nappa painfully murder any of them less. If you're still stupid enough to go through that and learn nothing, you deserve to die horribly in the apocalypse as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:07 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Noah wrote: I don't agree, when you have things like Dragon Balls and a Super Saiyan as your close friend you would just be taken by the hype
Their hype over Goku's awesome King Kai training didn't make Nappa painfully murder any of them less. If you're still stupid enough to go through that and learn nothing, you deserve to die horribly in the apocalypse as far as I'm concerned.
You know what the apocalypse and Nappa have in common, Goku wasn't there both times. Not only was he there and stronger than ever but it was also mentioned that by the time they got the Dragonballs it would be too late.

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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:47 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Their hype over Goku's awesome King Kai training didn't make Nappa painfully murder any of them less. If you're still stupid enough to go through that and learn nothing, you deserve to die horribly in the apocalypse as far as I'm concerned.
But Ekrolo! Dr. Hero hasn't even DONE anything yet! You can't kill a person for something they never even got a chance to do!

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At least, that's the moral view that Toriyama Sensei seems to have. You can also see this reflected in the way Beerus lets Zamasu cut Gowasu down before doing anything, even though it was pretty clear what was going to happen. It's a moral view that has some flaws, but, it's certainly not a bad one.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:55 pm

Fionordequester wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Their hype over Goku's awesome King Kai training didn't make Nappa painfully murder any of them less. If you're still stupid enough to go through that and learn nothing, you deserve to die horribly in the apocalypse as far as I'm concerned.
But Ekrolo! Dr. Hero hasn't even DONE anything yet! You can't kill a person for something they never even got a chance to do!

...

At least, that's the moral view that Toriyama Sensei seems to have. You can also see this reflected in the way Beerus lets Zamasu cut Gowasu down before doing anything, even though it was pretty clear what was going to happen. It's a moral view that has some flaws, but, it's certainly not a bad one.
And to that I say get Shenron, ask him what Gero has done cause if you're a member of the RRA, chances are you've done something bad and then judge Gero based on factual information from a credible source instead of Goku's five-year-old logic. If they want to view the pros and cons of Gero's personality, let them do it with an informed opinion rather than.... whatever the hell Goku and the rest of these fighting junkie idiots have in place of common sense.
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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:58 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:And to that I say get Shenron, ask him what Gero has done cause if you're a member of the RRA, chances are you've done something bad and then judge Gero based on factual information from a credible source instead of Goku's five-year-old logic.
Heh, well, you can accuse the Z Warriors of many things, but "being too smart" has never been one of them :lol: . I'm just saying, Goku DID have a reason beyond "I wanna fight the strong guys".
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Post by Noah » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:30 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Their hype over Goku's awesome King Kai training didn't make Nappa painfully murder any of them less. If you're still stupid enough to go through that and learn nothing, you deserve to die horribly in the apocalypse as far as I'm concerned.
Apple to oranges, completely different cases, they interpreted that the only reason for the androids have succeed against everyone in the future was because:

A - Goku was dead
B - Nobody was expecting them

When you have a medicine that could prevent the main hero from certain death and the advise to train your ass in next three years to have a chance against the incoming enemies, is not that dumb if you stop to think about it
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Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:24 am

Okay, I'm getting ready to start DBM.

If I want chronological order, where do I start?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:48 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, I'm getting ready to start DBM.

If I want chronological order, where do I start?
First chapter.

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Post by Scarz » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:19 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, I'm getting ready to start DBM.

If I want chronological order, where do I start?
The real question you're looking for is "What special chapters do I skip?"

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Post by FoolsGil » Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:02 pm

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Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, I'm getting ready to start DBM.

If I want chronological order, where do I start?
DBM encompasses the past, present, and future of several universes

Starting off, maybe ignore all special chapters, and read the tournament chapters back to back.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:45 pm

What? The special chapters add background to the characters and Universes. You shouldn't skip them.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:50 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:What? The special chapters add background to the characters and Universes. You shouldn't skip them.
Because they suck.
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Post by FoolsGil » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:04 pm

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They don't consider the Kienzan to be a construct?

EDIT: I was just reminded that Piccolo's Clothes Beam could also be a construct as well, making clothes out of ki and all.

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Post by Scarz » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:49 pm

FoolsGil wrote:[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

They don't consider the Kienzan to be a construct?
Poor Krillin doesn't get any credit but Gotenks does.

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Post by Mewzard » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:09 pm

Scarz wrote:Poor Krillin doesn't get any credit but Gotenks does.
At this point, Krillin is the Charlie Brown of the DBZ universe. When he goes out Trick or Treating, all he gets are rocks.

That said, I'm glad we're back to the tournament. Gast vs Raichi and his army of clones should be interesting. At the very least, this should test his power a bit more than prior fights.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:09 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
They don't consider the Kienzan to be a construct?

EDIT: I was just reminded that Piccolo's Clothes Beam could also be a construct as well, making clothes out of ki and all.
You have a point but I believe that he's talking about more complicated actions than just cutting and/or being able to direct the attack or create clothes. The Kamikaze ghosts were basically sentient and the "goo" that Bra created also seemed to act more or less on its own (even though not the same degree as the ghosts) with the purpose to grab and hold down the opponent. I don't think he is referring specifically to Bra's "scythe" attack and similar attacks which don't seem to be all that different from Kienzan or Sauza's technique.

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