The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hellspawn28]

Battle of Villain Brothers

Radditz vs. Coola vs. #17 vs. Dabra vs. Cado vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

Rules:

- Balance power levels
- No stone spit
- Coola is in his final form
- No Oozaru transformations
- No outside help

Who wins?

[RandomGuy96]

Battle of Villain Brothers

Radditz vs. Coola vs. #17 vs. Dabra vs. Cado vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

Rules:

- Balance power levels
- No stone spit
- Coola is in his final form
- No Oozaru transformations
- No outside help

Who wins?

I think Cooler has the best chance here; he can, in mere seconds, instantly generate an enormous energy sphere capable of killing people more powerful than him, without wasting a ton of energy. If he throws that at the Earth, anyone trying to stop it will die (unless some of them team up to push it back, which they almost certainly will not, considering their personalities), while anyone dodging it is basically ceding the planet to him. Once it blows up, he's the only one of the six who can breathe in space.

[dragonball0900]

Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku

Krillin and Yamcha were able to keep up with Tien's and weighted goku's speed.
Weighted goku's speed was equal to post god water goku's speed, which was SUPERIOR to daimao's speed.

To me, it seems like

Yamcha < Krillin = Young piccolo < kid goku

It's just that in the Raditz part of the series, Krillin was 206 and Yamcha was 177. In the tournament 5 years earlier they should be a bit weaker than that. Yamcha might be 175 (assuming he doesn't train that much) and Krillin would be 195.

King Piccolo should be weaker than 250 since Tien is obviously stronger than him by that point. His power back in the tournament might be 230 since he trains more than the others. King Piccolo, therefore, could be 210-220 since that would be weaker. Also, Yamcha and Krillin despite the fact that they were able to see Tien and Goku's movements, they were struggling to do so.

I don't try to say that Krillin is far below Young King Piccolo. In fact, that would be a great battle, (specially if it's Krillin in Z), but if King Piccolo uses full power, I don't think Krillin would defeat him.

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) <= 177 < Krillin (23rd Budokai) <= 206 <= Young King Piccolo < Tien (23rd Budokai) <= Weighted Goku (23rd Budokai) < 250

[DBZAOTA482]

Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku

It's more like this:

Goku = Piccolo >>> Kami >> Kami (Shen) >>> Tien > Weighted Goku = Tien (suppressed speed) > Post-Sacred Water Goku >= Young Piccolo Daimao > Krillin ~ Yamcha > Cyborg Tao > Chi-Chi = Old Piccolo Daimao > Yajirobe > Chiaotzu > Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%) >>> Drum > Pre-Scared Water Goku > Master Muatito ~ Young Muten Roshi > Goku (22nd Budokai) = Tien (22nd Budokai) > Tamborine >=< Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) ~ Yajirobe >> Cymbal >=< Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Both Krillin and Yamcha were able to impress their respective opponents despite losing horribly (which is understandable since they're the strongest of the strongest). Tien was depicted as equal to Goku (Weighted) in straight abilities but Goku learned how to move without excessive movement and was faster once he showed his true speed.

I personally don't think there was ever a gap between Krillin and Yamcha since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai till the beginning of DBZ.

[Hellspawn28]

Once it blows up, he's the only one of the six who can breathe in space.

I think San Xing Long and Dabra can probably breathe in space too.

[Angelus]

Let's have some DB matches!


Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)

[ryan1227]

Let's have some DB matches!


Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)

- Chappa really only needs to be stronger than the power Goku used against him the last time, which was on par with Kuririn, who Tambourine effortlessly defeated. Tambourine will probably win very easily.

- Just by looking at their performances against Goku, Yamcha did a lot better against a Goku who had a tail than Kuririn did against a Goku without a tail. Yamcha will win pretty handily.

- Roshi, who was weaker than Goku, was stated to be stronger than Crane Hermit while having not revealed his full power yet. Meanwhile, Yajirobe fought on par with a potentially stronger Goku for a little while. Yajirobe snaps Crane Hermits neck easily.

- Ox King was stated to be the #2 pupil of Muten Roshi, while Bacterian, without his odor to help him, was one shotted by Kuririn. I think Ox King will win pretty easily.

[dragonball0900]

Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku

It's more like this:

Goku = Piccolo >>> Kami >> Kami (Shen) >>> Tien > Weighted Goku = Tien (suppressed speed) > Post-Sacred Water Goku >= Young Piccolo Daimao > Krillin ~ Yamcha > Cyborg Tao > Chi-Chi = Old Piccolo Daimao > Yajirobe > Chiaotzu > Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%) >>> Drum > Pre-Scared Water Goku > Master Muatito ~ Young Muten Roshi > Goku (22nd Budokai) = Tien (22nd Budokai) > Tamborine >=< Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) ~ Yajirobe >> Cymbal >=< Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Both Krillin and Yamcha were able to impress their respective opponents despite losing horribly (which is understandable since they're the strongest of the strongest). Tien was depicted as equal to Goku (Weighted) in straight abilities but Goku learned how to move without excessive movement and was faster once he showed his true speed.

I personally don't think there was ever a gap between Krillin and Yamcha since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai till the beginning of DBZ.

It's just that the 177 number of Yamcha seems to be on the way. Unless we can say that Yamcha didn't trained at all during the 5 years of peace while Krillin did, and the gap between them became larger.
I mean, Krillin fought against Piccolo better than how Yamcha fought against Kami. I suppose Yamcha and Krillin being able to impress both of them it's because of how much power they have in comparison to other normal fighters. I mean look at Krillin, Piccolo kept one shooting many fighters on the preeliminarities and when he got to Krillin, he found out that there are unordinary people around. The same could be said between Kami and Yamcha.
Also, Yajirobe and Chiaotzu at the 23rd Budokai I wouldn't put them over Old Piccolo. Yajirobe doesn't even train, and Chiaotzu could have at least get to over Tien and Goku at the 22nd Budokai, and Chi Chi could probably be just at Krillin from the 22nd Budokai level, since she was considered by Roshi to being a master, then her power must be significant, but maybe not to surpass Roshi. But your list is good and I respect your opinion.

[DBZAOTA482]

Let's have some DB matches!


Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)

Tambourine

Yamcha whoops Krillin's ass

Slice n' dice

Bear Thief is having a tasty meal today

Ox King claims this

[apex_pretador]

Who is the strongest character Anime Kitten could defeat?

You? I think general blue.

Who is the strongest character Beginning of DB Goku can defeat with:

-Saiyan Saga Kaioken KK x3 it is, so power level 45. It'd be Nam, but he can win due to better stamina. He can beat 21st TB yamcha for sure.

-Frieza Saga Kaioken He was able to easily handle x20. That puts his power level (surprisingly) around shen (kami) level. He can beat mr popo despite skill disadvantage and wasting movements.

-SSJ His power level is enough to handle anyone in DB but not BoZ piccolo. He can best EoDB Goku.

-SSJ2 SS2 puts power in a whole different tier compared to SS1, so he beats Raditz.

-SSJ3 He smashes Nappa, but vegeta stomps him easily. Even saiyan saga goku will beat him due to superior stamina.

-SSJ4 Anyone from ginyu force, but not the captain himself, probably the entire force combined.

-SSGod He solos the manga.

-SSBlue See above

-SSBlue Kaioken x10 Beats anyone but hit from U6, beats final form freeza,

U6 Arc SSB Kaioken x 10 Goku & DBSuper Episode 63 SSB Vegeta vs Hit

Metamoru Fused 21st TB Kuririn x 21st TB Goku vs. Aged Piccolo Daimao

Jaco vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo

A serious KK goku solostomps

This fusion will get the rival boost, so it would be upped 3 tiers.
1. Tao tier / post karin goku tier
2. Karin tier / 22nd TB krillin tier
3. 22nd TB goku tier
Still too weak.
By PL logic, he stomps.

Piccolo one shots. He blew up the moon.

Let's have some DB matches!


Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)

Tambourine kiled krillin with ease. He also killed everyone of TB winners. King chappa was unimpressive. Tamboirine wins.

Yamcha is slightly stronger at this (and only this) point. He is also more skilled. Yamcha wins.

Yajirobe fought evenly with Goku, crane hermit has no chance.



Ox king was heavily implied to be extremely strong for BoDB goku to handle, while bacterian was just a big and powerful man. Ox king wins.

[apex_pretador]

It's just that in the Raditz part of the series, Krillin was 206 and Yamcha was 177. In the tournament 5 years earlier they should be a bit weaker than that. Yamcha might be 175 (assuming he doesn't train that much) and Krillin would be 195.

King Piccolo should be weaker than 250 since Tien is obviously stronger than him by that point. His power back in the tournament might be 230 since he trains more than the others. King Piccolo, therefore, could be 210-220 since that would be weaker. Also, Yamcha and Krillin despite the fact that they were able to see Tien and Goku's movements, they were struggling to do so.

I don't try to say that Krillin is far below Young King Piccolo. In fact, that would be a great battle, (specially if it's Krillin in Z), but if King Piccolo uses full power, I don't think Krillin would defeat him.

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) <= 177 < Krillin (23rd Budokai) <= 206 <= Young King Piccolo < Tien (23rd Budokai) <= Weighted Goku (23rd Budokai) < 250

More like this:


Krillin (23rd TB) = 190
Yamcha = 185

Yamcha slacked off 5 years and lost a bit power.


Maybe, king piccolo is more powerful than krillin, but the gap is not wide, not at all. It is going to be extremely close, and unlike piccolo, krillin is smart and non-arrogant. The fact that krillin's chasing energy blast worried piccolo jr for a moment, and made him run away then he needed to destroy it, shows how powerful krillin was. Just imagine that blast hitting daimao.

Yamcha managing to hurt kami shows how powerful he is, when that guy FINGER-FLICKED a goku who got a zenkai post daimao.

And they did not struggle at all to keep up with their movements. They just said "they are fast"

To Tien, FP Daimao is trash by 23rd TB.

- Anime Goku getting an amp? When and how? Last I remember, same anime goku was getting thrashed by buutenks even in SS3.
I don't take the statement of "strongest buu" literally. I see it as kid buu > Super buu, not buutenks or buuhan. Because 1 mere statement doesn't override dozens of feats in the same material.

In the anime filler SSJ Vegeta is shown to surpass SSJ3 Gotenks considerably, and Goku and Vegeta both point out how Buu's ki is continuously rising and much higher than before when he becomes Kid Buu, so Anime Kid Buu >>> Buuhan.

In the anime filler, the SAME SS vegeta was having a hard time with piccolo.
I like how people conveniently ignore it.

So, the clone logic is out of the window.

That was super buu, not buuhan.

-As soon as Kami got serious Yamcha got wrecked immediately, before this Kami was effortlessly making a joke of him. Yamcha is nowhere close to Kami despite the fact that he was weakened by a human body. Being able to follow a fight does not mean much as later on the Z senshi are able to follow the Saiyans fight who are worlds stronger than them.

- Tenshinhan was not thrashing Goku at all, he merely held a slight advantage. And Goku's speed was the same as before, Tenshinhan outright tells him his speed did not improve at all. Goku only became super fast once he took his weighted clothing off.

- Vegeta is just insanely durable. He survives hits from opponents far more powerful than him all the time, he took a lot of direct hits from Kkx3 Goku and a full power Kamehameha from Kkx4 Goku and survived, he even survived a spirit bomb and an assault from the other Z fighters. He also took quite the pounding from Recoome and stayed alive. Even against Frieza he survived a long time until he got pierced through the chest. He was also able to hold off Kid Buu by getting pounded into the ground for several chapters straight. Dodoria and Zarbon by comparison are jokes in terms of durability.

And a serious Kami was faaaaaaaaaar above even tenshinan's level, who was quite a lot above piccolo daimao.

Able to follow a fight means power level, atleast until the raditz fight.

Goku (post god water) was faster than piccolo daimao.
If Yamcha and krillin can keep up with this speed, they can keep up with Daimao much more easily.

Tenshinhan was EQUAL to goku before he increased his speed. Same goku, who was >>>>>>> kid goku in strength and = kid goku in speed.
He was wrecking him, except that he did not know that the power required to hurt goku is atleast kami level.

Which mesns you can't scale them off vegeta? Then you can't scale their fights off vegeta's fights.

[Nejishiki]

Who is the strongest character Anime Kitten could defeat?

I'm not certain about the "strongest", but I'm confident you'll have a fun match with Mr. Satan's manager.

[ssbgoku]

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

What ?!. I could be ok with it back then when bog movie and rof were adapted but as current anime stay never. I mean super anime is terrible at retconns and loosing consitency by making characters as strong as plot require them to be at the moment. Of course I still enjoy it due to animation and entertainment but it is nowhere close where it could be with leggit pl.

I would say that battle of gods arc made these things clear:

1) 10% beerus > ss vegetto > Enraged Vegeta > Heavily supressed beerus
2) 100% beerus >>> ss3 vegetto(even bog arc)

Beerus can easily defeat SsjB Goku and Vegeta, Black Goku and Future Zamasu. This was stated both in the anime and in the manga.
Deal with it my friend.

Yeah in your dreams or by badly written and inconsistent power level, sure. I mean ssb kaioken x10 was bullshit as it is only thing which break fully 6-10-15 scale. However even if ssb kaioken x 10 is accepted as cannon, then 10% line against enraged vegeta still put ssb kaioken x 10 slightly above beerus, which means either goku is wearing down himself at extreme rate and his power is dropping, or beerus has hax technique which would damage goku before he would use kk, and goku would get even weaker then before using kk.

[apex_pretador]

The only person in (all timelines included) U7 who can be a REAL threat to Beerus is Whis, and Whis is stronger than Beerus.

Full power beerus solos trunks's timeline.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Which mesns you can't scale them off vegeta? Then you can't scale their fights off vegeta's fights.

Vegeta's only impressive offensive feat was matching Kkx3 Goku's Kamehameha with his Galick Gun, and by this time Goku's energy was already burning out. Sure, Kaioken doesn't last long but if Goku can put out even a single attack that matches Vegeta's level Dodoria and Zarbon are totally screwed.

[DBZAOTA482]

Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku

It's more like this:

Goku = Piccolo >>> Kami >> Kami (Shen) >>> Tien > Weighted Goku = Tien (suppressed speed) > Post-Sacred Water Goku >= Young Piccolo Daimao > Krillin ~ Yamcha > Cyborg Tao > Chi-Chi = Old Piccolo Daimao > Yajirobe > Chiaotzu > Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%) >>> Drum > Pre-Scared Water Goku > Master Muatito ~ Young Muten Roshi > Goku (22nd Budokai) = Tien (22nd Budokai) > Tamborine >=< Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) ~ Yajirobe >> Cymbal >=< Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Both Krillin and Yamcha were able to impress their respective opponents despite losing horribly (which is understandable since they're the strongest of the strongest). Tien was depicted as equal to Goku (Weighted) in straight abilities but Goku learned how to move without excessive movement and was faster once he showed his true speed.

I personally don't think there was ever a gap between Krillin and Yamcha since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai till the beginning of DBZ.

It's just that the 177 number of Yamcha seems to be on the way. Unless we can say that Yamcha didn't trained at all during the 5 years of peace while Krillin did, and the gap between them became larger.
I mean, Krillin fought against Piccolo better than how Yamcha fought against Kami. I suppose Yamcha and Krillin being able to impress both of them it's because of how much power they have in comparison to other normal fighters. I mean look at Krillin, Piccolo kept one shooting many fighters on the preeliminarities and when he got to Krillin, he found out that there are unordinary people around. The same could be said between Kami and Yamcha.
Also, Yajirobe and Chiaotzu at the 23rd Budokai I wouldn't put them over Old Piccolo. Yajirobe doesn't even train, and Chiaotzu could have at least get to over Tien and Goku at the 22nd Budokai, and Chi Chi could probably be just at Krillin from the 22nd Budokai level, since she was considered by Roshi to being a master, then her power must be significant, but maybe not to surpass Roshi. But your list is good and I respect your opinion.

Krillin was serious from the start while Yamcha was letting Shen's outward goofy demeanor get to him plus Piccolo and Kami should know of unordinary fighters especially Piccolo since his entire reason for being at the tournament was to get back at Goku. Piccolo's revelation was that he knows of a few fighters that could challenge him.

I think Yajirobe trained for the tournament as we did see him there and Chiaotzu did go through similar as Tien but he was effortlessly defeated by Tao so obviously it didn't matter much in the end. The level of praise Muten Roshi gave to Chi-Chi was similar to that he gave of the Masked faster only he felt compelled to mention it in relation to her style resembling his and how she was able to apply some pressure on the suppressed Weighted Goku tells me she was meant to be a strong contender for the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

[Angelus]

Tambourine killed 22nd WMAT Krillin easily because Krillin was exhausted from his matches, just like Goku was. When Goku was full and had some rest, he beat Tambourine.

[apex_pretador]

Tambourine killed 22nd WMAT Krillin easily because Krillin was exhausted from his matches, just like Goku was. When Goku was full and had some rest, he beat Tambourine.

So, what is tambourine's best feat?

[Angelus]

Being able to last a minute or two against an enraged and not hungry 22nd WMAT Goku

[ryan1227]

Kuririn was never noted to have been exhausted, only Goku was. Roshi even stated that Tambourine was an opponent good enough to defeat Kuririn without actually seeing the battle, and I don't think he would've made a blanket statement like that if Kuririn was extremely exhausted.