Upset with a lack of consistency and display of "feats" in DB Super

[Cipher]

MFTL fighting speed.

This is off-topic, but this is still the dumbest thing to come out of fandom power discussions. If they're faster than light, they're infinitely massive and creating singularities every time they move. If those physics don't apply, then the real-world speed of light is a completely arbitrary benchmark and is the same as saying, "They can travel more than 299,792,458 meters in a single second!" Which, like, who cares if they can travel 200,000,000 meters or 299,792,458? They're just super-duper fast, and faster or slower than some other guy in the series.

Also, if they're faster than light, how the fuck are they getting hit by beams? Of light?

[Miracles]

If this show was done in this way (realistically), the Earth, would be destroyed every single time someon powered up (even a bit).
Hell, Beerus destroyed a planet by sneezing and the Earth is still intact.

Thank you.
This truth fits ALL of Dragonball.

[Tsufuru]

Thanks for the reply's.
I just want them to actualy show someone's
power more often in fights.
I'm just tired of seeing the same level of feats over and over again no matter how strong they get.
Even gokus and trunks little spar was about to cause more damage than black vs ssjb vegeta and goku iirc.
Thats my problem.

[pacz360]

MFTL fighting speed.

This is off-topic, but this is still the dumbest thing to come out of fandom power discussions. If they're faster than light, they're infinitely massive and creating singularities every time they move. If those physics don't apply, then the real-world speed of light is a completely arbitrary benchmark and is the same as saying, "They can travel more than 299,792,458 meters in a single second!" Which, like, who cares if they can travel 200,000,000 meters or 299,792,458? They're just super-duper fast, and faster or slower than some other guy in the series.

Also, if they're faster than light, how the fuck are they getting hit by beams? Of light?

Wow its not like those beams of light come from characters around there tier of power and speed seriously people its fiction for fuck sakes people do you think authors like tori think about how the the laws of physics work in there series?

[pacz360]

Thanks for the reply's.
I just want them to actualy show someone's
power more often in fights.
I'm just tired of seeing the same level of feats over and over again no matter how strong they get.
Even gokus and trunks little spar was about to cause more damage than black vs ssjb vegeta and goku iirc.
Thats my problem.

Dude its fiction dragon ball isn't the only one that suffers this marvel,dc,bleach,one piece,naruto,Smt,saint seiya and many more has dealt with this problem.

[pacz360]

Didn't Vegeta just destroy the entire ROSAT dimension during his training? I'm not caught up with Super but I heard that's what happened.

Then we've also got the Goku and Beerus universal shockwaves and Goku apparently outracing time or some ish against Hit.

Super seems to me like it's been very good on feats.

No, we saw him destroy the entrance to it, along with a good part of the sanctuary. There's no information on what happened to the actual ROSAT dimension.

Dude was inside the thing when he blew it up piccolo when he was in the chamber blew up the entrance.

[pacz360]

It's simply artistically gratuitous to portray the destruction of celestial bodies on an every time basis so Toriyama & Toei opt to keep the fights down to minimum level, prior feats be damned.
The same logic is applied to comics even during an arc where there's some cosmic-powered dude who has the power to destroy "X" amount of universes using only a fraction of his power.
I mean look at this.


"That last shot could've slagged several billion entire dimensions."

In other words Molecule Man had enough power to destroy billions of universes with a single shot but he didn't even bust the house they were all in, obviously reality would be destroyed and there'd be no setting left so such limitations are required for the story to continue.

Agreed the fact that people bitch about this in dragon ball is dumb when you have stuff like this.

[fadeddreams5]

Truth be told, the power scaling has reached a point where it'd be completely believable within the context of the series for these characters to be using entire solar systems as battlegrounds. To be confined in a little area on a planet is contradictory to what they clearly displayed in the battle between Beerus and SSJG Goku. I understand these writers lack attention to detail and are indifferent, but it's kind of ridiculous for things to be toned down so much after the very first major battle of the series.

Frankly, I'd love to see Vegito and Zamasu fight in the most over-the-top battle ever, involving flying through space and suns, landing on asteroid belts, making the core of a planet their playground, throwing planets at each other, and punching each other through other planets. But that's just me.

[SaiyanGod117]

MFTL fighting speed.

This is off-topic, but this is still the dumbest thing to come out of fandom power discussions. If they're faster than light, they're infinitely massive and creating singularities every time they move. If those physics don't apply, then the real-world speed of light is a completely arbitrary benchmark and is the same as saying, "They can travel more than 299,792,458 meters in a single second!" Which, like, who cares if they can travel 200,000,000 meters or 299,792,458? They're just super-duper fast, and faster or slower than some other guy in the series.

Also, if they're faster than light, how the fuck are they getting hit by beams? Of light?

Lol I knew someone who bound to say something if I used that acronym in these forums, but I have no problem with it.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Lol I knew someone who bound to say something if I used that acronym in these forums, but I have no problem with it.

It's true though. What business do superheroes have talking about real life physics? Even worse when they try to use relativity or conservation of mass etc. to explain their powers, while everyone else in their avenging squad is going FTL or transforming.

[Cipher]

Wow its not like those beams of light come from characters around there tier of power and speed seriously people its fiction for fuck sakes people do you think authors like tori think about how the the laws of physics work in there series?

They don't, which is why it seems so silly to bring those terms in. The speed of light is a benchmark in real life because all kinds of weird physical phenomena would occur if something were to (theoretically) surpass it. If you remove those real-world properties, it doesn't really ... say anything? It's not like Dragon Ball characters ever state they're faster than light, or demonstrate some pseudo-scientific presentation of it like outrunning illumination (whatever that would be like), so it just seems really strange to bring up, let alone impossible to support. With real-world physics, it's impossible and has terrible repercussions. Without real-world physics, it doesn't mean anything and is just a weirdly specific amount of meters/second to use to indicate someone has super speed.

Lol I knew someone who bound to say something if I used that acronym in these forums, but I have no problem with it.

At least it was predictable! No hard feelings; I've just never gotten this one. Since I don't frequent detailed power debates or fantasy matches, I guess it doesn't really matter.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Didn't Vegeta just destroy the entire ROSAT dimension during his training? I'm not caught up with Super but I heard that's what happened.

Then we've also got the Goku and Beerus universal shockwaves and Goku apparently outracing time or some ish against Hit.

Super seems to me like it's been very good on feats.

No, we saw him destroy the entrance to it, along with a good part of the sanctuary. There's no information on what happened to the actual ROSAT dimension.

Dude was inside the thing when he blew it up piccolo when he was in the chamber blew up the entrance.

I don't see your point. Vegeta destroyed the physical exit. There's no evidence he did anything to the dimension itself.

[Polyphase Avatron]

As for being faster than light, Whis, Vados, and Beerus pretty obviously are, but I haven't seen any clear calculation of just how much so without making arbitrary assumptions about the distance they have crossed. I don't know if anyone has actually fought at that speed, though. That would be hard to prove. It certainly doesn't help that the majority of things in DB make no real sense according to physics, so measuring exactly how fast/powerful they are is often an exercise in futility.

[The Monkey King]

Yeah I'd like to see some OTT feats from SSJB Vegeta vs Zamasu. Like c'mon have another space/exosphere fight, these two characters fighting in a ruined city doesn't do them justice. It's a battle against 4 God level characters that have fused using Godly items.

It's kinda irksome because you get no sense of scale. If you showed someone who had no idea what DB was Beerus and SSJG Goku's fight in Super then all the SSJB fights they'd say SSJG is waaaaaay stronger.

Then again DB has always been like this.

For example saiyan saga Piccolo vaporising the moon with a casual ki blast
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Then his strongest attack in the android saga is nowhere near that level:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

But at least in the manga they had the "Never aim your ki blasts directly at the planet!" rule, in Super they don't seem to care about that.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Yeah I'd like to see some OTT feats from SSJB Vegeta vs Zamasu. Like c'mon have another space/exosphere fight, these two characters fighting in a ruined city doesn't do them justice.

True. The battlefield is starting to get very old. That was one of the things I loved about BoG, the fight moved through so many different areas and terrains, ending up in space.

[buutenks]

I don't see your point. Vegeta destroyed the physical exit. There's no evidence he did anything to the dimension itself.

Vegeta destroyed the ROST by powering up. It is pretty obvious.

Unless u want to tell me, he got out of the room, blew up the door, then before anyone could see him, he powered up till he was pouring sweat.

[TheDragonBallEditor]

To be honest there has been a lack of feats but we all know how powerful they are.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't see your point. Vegeta destroyed the physical exit. There's no evidence he did anything to the dimension itself.

Vegeta destroyed the ROST by powering up. It is pretty obvious.

Unless u want to tell me, he got out of the room, blew up the door, then before anyone could see him, he powered up till he was pouring sweat.

I saw it more like he was powering up so much and exhausting himself that he blew up the entrance/exit as he emerged through it. Fact is there's no clear evidence that the room itself was affected, just the entrance.

[buutenks]

I saw it more like he was powering up so much and exhausting himself that he blew up the entrance/exit as he emerged through it. Fact is there's no clear evidence that the room itself was affected, just the entrance.

Whatever floats your boat i guess.

[Kamiccolo9]

It's simply artistically gratuitous to portray the destruction of celestial bodies on an every time basis so Toriyama & Toei opt to keep the fights down to minimum level, prior feats be damned.
The same logic is applied to comics even during an arc where there's some cosmic-powered dude who has the power to destroy "X" amount of universes using only a fraction of his power.
I mean look at this.


"That last shot could've slagged several billion entire dimensions."

In other words Molecule Man had enough power to destroy billions of universes with a single shot but he didn't even bust the house they were all in, obviously reality would be destroyed and there'd be no setting left so such limitations are required for the story to continue.

Agreed the fact that people bitch about this in dragon ball is dumb when you have stuff like this.

Like, can we please not use Secret Wars II as an example of "dumb in comics?" Like, that's a strong contender for the worst comic book story ever written. It's the equivalent of GT and Super having a baby, dropping that baby into a ravine and giving it brain damage, and having it grow up as an omnipotent Michael Jackson. And that analogy makes about as much sense as SWII does.