Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

The movies are still an official product of the franchise and again canon and official are notsynonyms.

Edit: Removed the "not".

They're official to their own continuities. Just like the Super anime and manga are different continuities of the same product. In this case, those multipliers maybe right for the anime, but not the manga, just like those 'official' power levels for the original Dragon Ball. Especially when even a small power different can mean the different between a close match and a curb stomp.

[Bullza]

If Vegeta's comment about Merged Zamasu's power having power he's never seen before is true (I don't know the exact dialogue) then it should at least put him above Super Saiyan Blue Goku using Kaioken x10 back in the Universe 6 saga.

As for how that compares to Beerus, he might not have ever sensed his full power but he did sense his power when he was fighting Champa and when that fight had to quickly be stopped due to the destruction it could cause.

Was Beerus at full power then or not? If not does he still have a general idea of how strong is seeing as he's been hit by his unrestrained attacks?

I know Beerus is very strong and he could be stronger than Merged Zamasu but he could also be being overhyped. He's not going to be dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan God likewise Super Saiyan Blue Vegito should be dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku if the gap is similar to what it was in the Buu saga.

[Helios518]

The movies are still an official product of the franchise and again canon and official are notsynonyms.

Edit: Removed the "not".

They're official to their own continuities. Just like the Super anime and manga are different continuities of the same product. In this case, those multipliers maybe right for the anime, but not the manga, just like those 'official' power levels for the original Dragon Ball. Especially when even a small power different can mean the different between a close match and a curb stomp.

There's no official to a specific continuities, It's either official to the franchise or not. Even if there was "officials to only certain continuities" then Shueisha is still official to the manga because they hold power and authorization over it.

[Legion]

Was Beerus at full power then or not? If not does he still have a general idea of how strong is seeing as he's been hit by his unrestrained attacks?

Both anime and manga say that if Beerus and Champa fight, goodbye universes 6 and 7. So i doubt it.

Actually, i think that these statement in this episode are overhyped. If what Kaioshin said is true, this means that Zamasu>>All. Not only Beerus.

[MagmonKai]

Was Beerus at full power then or not? If not does he still have a general idea of how strong is seeing as he's been hit by his unrestrained attacks?

Both anime and manga say that if Beerus and Champa fight, goodbye universes 6 and 7. So i doubt it.

Actually, i think that these statement in this episode are overhyped. If what Kaioshin said is true, this means that Zamasu>>All. Not only Beerus.

Kaioshin has been known to be quite naive at times. In one episode he didn't know who Zeno was U6 tournament, then the next he has apparently been to his palace?

[HeroR]

There's no official to a specific continuities, It's either official to the franchise or not. Even if there was "officials to only certain continuities" then Shueisha is still official to the manga because they hold power and authorization over it.

Yes there is. There are stuff that happened and are changed in the Super manga that didn't happen in the anime and vice versa.

Shueisha only have say in their products, not in anything Toriyama chooses to write or change. Like they couldn't make Toriyama make Father of Goku the official origin story for Goku for the manga.

[HeroR]

Was Beerus at full power then or not? If not does he still have a general idea of how strong is seeing as he's been hit by his unrestrained attacks?

Both anime and manga say that if Beerus and Champa fight, goodbye universes 6 and 7. So i doubt it.

Actually, i think that these statement in this episode are overhyped. If what Kaioshin said is true, this means that Zamasu>>All. Not only Beerus.

Kaioshin has been known to be quite naive at times. In one episode he didn't know who Zeno was U6 tournament, then the next he has apparently been to his palace?

That was Old Kai who saw Zen'o before, not the Supreme Kai.

[Bullza]

It wasn't Supreme Kai who said he had power he'd never felt before and it's not like Zeno was powered up or anything either.

[MagmonKai]

It wasn't Supreme Kai who said he had power he'd never felt before and it's not like Zeno was powered up or anything either.

Ok so yeah I just re-watched the episodes. Yes it was the old Kai who previously visited the Zeno Palace. I still think it's odd he knows how to get there and when he saw the Grand Priest he said "It's been a long time" Presumably they've met. Either way. I think it's just some details lost by the writers. I really feel like Zeno isn't what he's cracked up to be. He's probably another Mr. Satan. I can't stand his childlike attitude. Maybe that's why Goku is the way he is, very child like. Is that the key to being more powerful, dumb and childish?

[Noah]

I remember Vegeta on the U6 arc claiming that training inside RoSAT will only help them by a small margin since they're near their limits, and now the same dude says that saiyans has no limits.....

Gosh, this is like Super writters are a bunch of monkeys that don't know how do anything consistent

[Zamasu55]

If Vegeta's comment about Merged Zamasu's power having power he's never seen before is true (I don't know the exact dialogue) then it should at least put him above Super Saiyan Blue Goku using Kaioken x10 back in the Universe 6 saga.

As for how that compares to Beerus, he might not have ever sensed his full power but he did sense his power when he was fighting Champa and when that fight had to quickly be stopped due to the destruction it could cause.

Was Beerus at full power then or not? If not does he still have a general idea of how strong is seeing as he's been hit by his unrestrained attacks?

I know Beerus is very strong and he could be stronger than Merged Zamasu but he could also be being overhyped. He's not going to be dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan God likewise Super Saiyan Blue Vegito should be dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku if the gap is similar to what it was in the Buu saga.

It's not our fault Toriyama basically stated that no character seen so far is comparable to him.
Anyway, Merged Zamasu is probably the strongest non-Zeno/High God tier character, but he did get pushed back by Future Trunks (!), Vegeta and Goku.

[Zamasu55]

Everyone keeps talking about how Beerus' power being suppressed and all that, but Whis being Beerus' teacher, would know what Beerus is capable of and he flat out said that if Vegeta and Goku worked together they could beat him. Now that they have "fused" not just working side by side, but fused, it's safe to assume that Beerus would lose against Vegetto. Add the fact that Vegetto appears to be fighting evenly with Zamasu it also stands to reason that Merged Zamasu is in the same tier. So Vegetto >= Zamasu > Beerus.

That sentence is not reliable anymore, as the "6-10-15" thing.

[namekiansaiyan]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

[Zamasu55]

This arc might be better than the other but power levels make absolutely no-sense.
The previous arcs, including the Copy-Vegeta arc, at least do make sense.

ROF saga:
1. Base Gohan was stated to be the strongest Z fighter around. He says Tagoma (post training), is pretty much on par with him. Infact, Tagoma beats the crap out of Piccolo, and this perfectly makes sense.
2. Ginyu, who's at least Super Perfect Cell level if not above, was two-shotted by Ssj Gohan, who's as strong as Ultimate Gohan. This perfectly makes sense.
3. Beyond God Vegeta one-shotted Ginyu. This perfectly makes sense.

Universal tournament saga:
1. Piccolo (post training), manages to hold off a beat-up Final form Frost, and forces him to cheat. This makes sense, because Final form Frost (full power) was much weaker than Ssj Goku, who could have one-shotted him as Vegeta did. After getting beaten up by Son, his power decreases. He's still stronger than Piccolo, but he could have lost thanks to the Namek's absurde intellect. Of course, this means that the two-base theory is a real thing, but we already knew that.

Copy-Vegeta saga:
1. Beyond God Goku manages to fight on par with Beerus. This makes perfectly sense, because BG Goku is MILES above every DBZ fighter, Vegito included. Of course, the God of Destruction was holding back.
2. Beyond God Copy-Vegeta literally STOMPS Ssj3 Gotenks. This makes perfectly sense.

Now let's go straight to this brand new saga. We have:
1. In the first fight, Ssj2 Trunks manages to hit SsjR Goku (who one-shots SsjB Vegeta) and Future Zamasu. Ssj2 Trunks should not even be initial Hit level, who was below SsjB Goku and Vegeta. Absurd, literally absurd.
2. Trunks gets God Ki, or something like thatm out of nowhere. Vegeta at least trained a year straight with Whis. What the fuck has Trunks done? Nothing. That's the fact.
3. Super Trunks, in episode 63, did better than SsjB Goku and Vegeta had done the previous two times. Why? How?
4. Last but not least, in episode 65, Super Trunks manages to keep up Merged Zamasu, a being who should be hundreds of time stronger than him.
5. How the fuck can Goku, Vegeta and Trunk rival Merged Zamasu and push him back? Oh god.

[Zamasu55]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

It wouldn't make sense for Merged Zamasu, the ultimate villain, to be weaker than Hit.

[MagmonKai]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

Are you high? Hit is a technique character, he doesn't really have that much battle strength. Merged Zamasu is definitely stronger than Beerus. You guys just want to keep Beerus at the top, even though there are other more powerful characters out there including Vegetto...

[ssbgoku]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

Are you high? Hit is a technique character, he doesn't really have that much battle strength. Merged Zamasu is definitely stronger than Beerus. You guys just want to keep Beerus at the top, even though there are other more powerful characters out there including Vegetto...

Truth also the another interesting clue which may be pointing out how powerfull Black Zamasu is the scene where Black Zamasu is casually blocking both goku and Vegeta attacking him from both sides just like they did with whis while training with him before rof.

I know it may be weak link, but clearly it would also point out to Black Zamasu being as powerfull as Whis or close to him at least.

[Zamasu55]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

Are you high? Hit is a technique character, he doesn't really have that much battle strength. Merged Zamasu is definitely stronger than Beerus. You guys just want to keep Beerus at the top, even though there are other more powerful characters out there including Vegetto...

Yeah I definitely see Beerus' attacks being outclassed by SsjB Vegeta and Trunks.
Come one mate.

[Zamasu55]

I say Merged Zamasu is nowhere near Beerus and I also feel that Hit at max will destroy Merged Zamasu easily.

Are you high? Hit is a technique character, he doesn't really have that much battle strength. Merged Zamasu is definitely stronger than Beerus. You guys just want to keep Beerus at the top, even though there are other more powerful characters out there including Vegetto...

Truth also the another interesting clue which may be pointing out how powerfull Black Zamasu is the scene where Black Zamasu is casually blocking both goku and Vegeta attacking him from both sides just like they did with whis while training with him before rof.

I know it may be weak link, but clearly it would also point out to Black Zamasu being as powerfull as Whis or close to him at least.

So you're telling me Whis would get overwhelmed by Future Trunks.

[ssbgoku]

Are you high? Hit is a technique character, he doesn't really have that much battle strength. Merged Zamasu is definitely stronger than Beerus. You guys just want to keep Beerus at the top, even though there are other more powerful characters out there including Vegetto...

Truth also the another interesting clue which may be pointing out how powerfull Black Zamasu is the scene where Black Zamasu is casually blocking both goku and Vegeta attacking him from both sides just like they did with whis while training with him before rof.

I know it may be weak link, but clearly it would also point out to Black Zamasu being as powerfull as Whis or close to him at least.

So you're telling me Whis would get overwhelmed by Future Trunks.

Well no.

Out of universe: Trunks has plot power on his side
In universe: Trunks got lucky and Black Zamasu let his arrogance and pride to get better off him then unleashing more power. Also immortality is trait which whis doesnt have and it could be bad habit of ft zamasu affecting fusion being

Weak bait, irony or sarcasm