Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by MarCas92 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:36 pm

In my book there is no canon. I just take it all as alternate histories.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by szopman » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:09 am

and if DB Super will continue after 28th TB, I'll just assume that Trunks' journey back in time, again changed timeline and that's why the events after 28th TB are different.

Abou DB Minus - I just can't treat this as a canon, even knowing that it was made by Toriyama. Sorry Akira, but this product just sucks. I think it's the worst contribution to the saga ever made. I prefer of course Bardock movie. It's not only far better version of these events, but also it was first, so in my opinion this movie is canon ;)
I think that Toyatoro's DB prequel is 100 times better than "DB Minus". It's funny, and it doesn't contradicts any previous DB stuff + he even tries connect movie events (like Tulles).

I haven't read "Jaco" yet, but I think it could be part of my personal canon ;)
And the last thing - "Neko Majin", the parts of the story that doesn't contradicts DB (like Kuriza, Vegeta etc.) are quiet canon to me (especially chapters with Buu and final chapter with Goku and Uub).

I've mentioned Toyatorou's AF. I know it's non canon fan-manga, and it still isn't part of my personal canon, but since Toyatoro is the author of official DB mangas like DB Super, RoF and Xenoverse 2, I think this fact makes his fan-manga more canon than other fanmades stories.
Who knows, maybe someday he will continue his AF ? Or even connect it somehow to Super? It's funny but it's non-canon DB sequel but made by official DBS co-author :) I'd say it's a Half-canon ;))

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by simtek34 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:17 pm

szopman wrote:I think that Toyatoro's DB prequel is 100 times better than "DB Minus". It's funny, and it doesn't contradicts any previous DB stuff + he even tries connect movie events (like Tulles).
What prequel?

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:20 pm

simtek34 wrote:
szopman wrote:I think that Toyatoro's DB prequel is 100 times better than "DB Minus". It's funny, and it doesn't contradicts any previous DB stuff + he even tries connect movie events (like Tulles).
What prequel?
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:08 pm

This is my anime & video-games canon (also added in my OP). I combined them all in multiple timelines based on what we learn in XenoVerse video games & Super about the timelines.
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  • XenoVerse Timeline
    • Main Timeline (Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!, Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods - Special Edition, Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection "F", Dragon Ball XenoVerse, Dragon Ball XenoVerse 2: The Manga, Dragon Ball XenoVerse 2)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 2, Dragon Ball Z)
    • GT Timeline (Dragon Ball GT)
    • Multiple Temporary Timelines (Video Game What-Ifs, Dragon Ball XenoVerse, Dragon Ball XenoVerse 2)
  • Movie Timeline
    • Main Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 1, Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock, Dragon Ball Movies 1-3, Dragon Ball Z Movies 1-8, Dragon Ball Z: Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, Dragon Ball Z Movies 9-13)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 2)
  • 10th Anniversary Timeline
    • Main Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 1, Dragon Ball Movie 4, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball TV Special 2, Dragon Ball Z)
  • SD Timeline
    • Main Timeline (Dragon Ball SD)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball SD)
  • Heroes Timeline
    • Main Timeline (Dragon Ball TV Special 1, Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z Movies 1-8, Dragon Ball Z: Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, Dragon Ball Z Movies 9-13, Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!, Dragon Ball Super, Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball: Ultimate Blast, Dragon Ball Heroes, Super Dragon Ball Heroes, Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission, Dragon Ball Heroes: Super Charisma Mission, Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission, Dragon Ball: Ultimate Blast, Dragon Ball Discross, Dragon Ball Fusions)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 2, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection "F" - Future Trunks Special Edition, Dragon Ball Super)
  • New Timeline
    • Timeline #1
    • Timeline #2
    • Main Timeline (Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball Z TV Special 1, Dragon Ball , Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super)
    • Trunks' Timeline (Dragon Ball Z TV Special 2, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection "F" - Future Trunks Special Edition, Dragon Ball Super)
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Analytic » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:10 am

For me, it's the manga only. Also, the scene where Goku hugs Goten at the Budokai when they first meet.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by sintzu » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:01 am

Analytic wrote:For me, it's the manga only. Also, the scene where Goku hugs Goten at the Budokai when they first meet.
I can't believe that wasn't in the manga but the arc was really rushed (even though it was 99 chapters) so I shouldn't be surprised.

Toei really outdid themselves with it's anime adaptaion though, longer and better fights and better character moments helped it reach its full potentail which wasn't possible in the manga due to Toriyama probably being really tired of the franchise while writing it.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by emperior » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:08 am

For me the canon is just:

Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Dragon Ball Super
TV Specials

The rest are alternate stories
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by szopman » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:14 pm

Although I don't consider any game stuff canon, I could consider XV 2 manga as a canon since it was made by Toyatorou ;) And it doesn't contradicts any DB manga/anime stuff ;)

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by TheGreatness25 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:27 pm

My Manga canon was the 42 volumes of Dragon Ball (or Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in these here United States).

My anime canon was always Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z (including the Burdock and Trunks specials), Dragon Ball GT (including the movie).

The movies (including Battle of Gods and Resurrection F) were side stories and Kai was its own separate thing that I never lumped in there.

I have no place for Super yet as I have not seen it, but my new anime canon would have to be Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and then Dragon Ball Super with GT now being the side story.

I don't place the games anywhere either and as great as Xenoverse was, I don't think that it holds any official canon space.



I feel that now, GT has a great opportunity to be capitalized on. Now that GT has pretty much been officially pushed off to the side, it opens the door to get as wild and crazy as you want with it. They could do an entire spin-off based on GT where the fans don't have to worry about continuity or anything. It could actually be in "another universe." If I were Toei, I'd test the waters with that and release some post-GT movies or a mini-series and see how it goes.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by sintzu » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:15 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:I have no place for Super yet as I have not seen it.

I feel that now, GT has a great opportunity to be capitalized on.
I know this is probably impossible but if you haven't spoiled yourself then don't, wait till the dub and watch it without knowing anything cause you'll be very surprised with what you see.

Toriyama or whoever takes over after him could take the basic ideas like the shadow dragons and remake them into completely new arcs that fix GT's issues.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Zephyr » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:32 am

I think really only loose details like "Bardock and Freeza had a bad break up" and "Gohan wins the Cell Games" are what we can know to be canon. These are events that happened very far in the past, and nobody knows the precise details.

The various pieces of storytelling media we see (manga, anime, films, etc) are contemporary (in-universe) recounts of these loosely known events. The narrator's probably a senile Kaio, mixing up details and telling inconsistent tall tales to different batches of students as the years go by.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by TheGreatness25 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:42 am

sintzu wrote:I know this is probably impossible but if you haven't spoiled yourself then don't, wait till the dub and watch it without knowing anything cause you'll be very surprised with what you see.

Toriyama or whoever takes over after him could take the basic ideas like the shadow dragons and remake them into completely new arcs that fix GT's issues.
Oh, I didn't plan on watching it until I bought the Blu-rays. I know I'll end up getting them regardless and 'd rather enjoy my purchase instead of having seen it already.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:13 am

My personal Dragon Ball continuity is as follows:

- The Dragon Ball manga
- Dr. Slump
- Jaco the Galactic Patrolman & Dragon Ball Minus
- Battle of Gods & Resurrection F (movie versions)
- Dragon Ball Super manga (Universe 6 arc onwards)
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by Nejishiki » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:12 am

While Arale exists in Dragon Ball, I don't believe she co-exists as the Arale in Dr. Slump. The main reason being that Dr. Slump takes place in Japan, while Dragon Ball is in the Dragon World, which doesn't feature geography in reality. Of course, that's your personal canon, but it's a detail I'm mindful of whenever I see the two being discussed together.

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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by sintzu » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:44 pm

It's been over 2 and a half years since I put up my canon so with a new show airing and its 4th arc somewhat ending today, I think it's time for an update.

Level 1 canon : The 32 full color volumes.

Level 2 canon :

Bardock the father of Goku.
Dragon Ball (Minus episodes 30-33, 79-83, 127-132 & 149-153)
Dragon Ball Z Kai
The history of Trunks.
Dragon Ball Z Kai : The final chapters (Minus episodes 101&165)
Battle of Gods (Minus Bulma&Vegeta's lines about Tarble).

Level 3 canon : Super (Minus the 1st 14 episodes)

Level 4 canon : Z's original 12 movies (Bio Broly is just a bad dream).

Level 5 canon : GT.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:19 pm

(Never saw this) The original 42 volume manga, The two TV specials and some filler.
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Post by DBZ Macky » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:26 pm

Nothing's really "canon" in DB except for the manga. I think it's more of different continuities.
I am currently following DBS on a weekly basis, so my "personal canon" would probably be this:

Dragon Ball Anime -> Dragon Ball Kai -> Dragon Ball Kai 2014 -> Dragon Ball Super
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Post by kinisking » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:08 pm

The manga, non-contradictory filler, BOG, ROF, Super episode 28 onwards.
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Re: Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

Post by kinisking » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:11 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:
sintzu wrote:I know this is probably impossible but if you haven't spoiled yourself then don't, wait till the dub and watch it without knowing anything cause you'll be very surprised with what you see.

Toriyama or whoever takes over after him could take the basic ideas like the shadow dragons and remake them into completely new arcs that fix GT's issues.
Oh, I didn't plan on watching it until I bought the Blu-rays. I know I'll end up getting them regardless and 'd rather enjoy my purchase instead of having seen it already.
I have so much respect for your patience :clap: I can't even watch the anime weekly without spoiling myself using leaked episode titles or summaries.
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