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DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a match-up that I'm curious about:
Saiyan Arc Chiaotzu vs. Raditz
Based on the official battle powers, Chiaotzu is a lot weaker than Raditz, but would his superior Ki control and telekinesis allow him to gain the upper hand? Please take your time to explain your position properly when you answer.
Okay.
Chiaotzu has done nothing which puts him even close to Raditz level. His "power level" (not the "official one" but manga-only) is only hinted once when Tien says chiaotzu will be blown to pieces if the blast Krillin used to disintegrate saibamen. So, chiaotzu is more or less on saibaman level. However, this blast couldn't even scratch Nappa while Picolo's ki blast and Gohan's masenko did more to Nappa. So, I'm inclined to say that Chiaotzu is the weakest of all Z fighters (not counting Yajirobe) , and Raditz should easily beat him, especially because he is an experienced fighter. It is extremely likely that Raditz has encountered similar powers on his battles.
However, if Chiaotzu chooses to blow himself up, there is nothing (short of dying) that rditz can do.
Zamasu55 wrote:SsjR Black stronger than Beerus? Why not Super Trunks then?
Yeah, I'd say he could be too. He got some lucky shots in at first, but he put up an okay fight later on. This "Beerus is stronger than everyone in the Universe except Whis" junk is annoying. He needs to be surpassed already, and we have much evidence supporting he has been. Retcons are all that stop us.
DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a match-up that I'm curious about:
Saiyan Arc Chiaotzu vs. Raditz
Based on the official battle powers, Chiaotzu is a lot weaker than Raditz, but would his superior Ki control and telekinesis allow him to gain the upper hand? Please take your time to explain your position properly when you answer.
Raditz stomps, Chiaotzu was weaker than Yaijrobei back in the Saiyan saga.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Super Trunks is a form nearly on par with SSBlue, it far surpasses most things we see in GT which generally provide multipliers of only a few hundred, perhaps thousands at most. Also, XV's powerscaling is fairly nonsensical but I still feel confident in saying that most characters would stand no chance against Super Trunks.
Final form Mira is stronger than Golden Frieza but probably weaker than SsjB Goku and Vegeta (Universal tournament saga), since he was beaten by a Goku who has not trained for three years in the RoSaT.
Zamasu55 wrote:Final form Mira is stronger than Golden Frieza but probably weaker than SsjB Goku and Vegeta (Universal tournament saga), since he was beaten by a Goku who has not trained for three years in the RoSaT.
But the thing is, Golden Frieza is much weaker than current Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. The only thing that could possibly give Mira a chance is the fact that GT Trunks may be much weaker than DBS Trunks.
And I don't know how much stock I put in Mira actually being stronger than Golden Frieza, after all in XV Whis and Beerus are apparently jokes that can be beaten easily, and Whis isn't that far above Beerus.
Zamasu55 wrote:Well my dear, the "evidence supporting he has been surpassed" thing is certainely interesting... yet this interview https://twitter.com/Fakhark34260501/sta ... 72?lang=de states Beerus > Merged Zamasu.
It doesn't state that, though. It only speaks of Merged Zamasu's weakness and the fact that Vegetto has one. It doesn't even mention Beerus, does it?
Zamasu55 wrote:Well my dear, the "evidence supporting he has been surpassed" thing is certainely interesting... yet this interview https://twitter.com/Fakhark34260501/sta ... 72?lang=de states Beerus > Merged Zamasu.
It doesn't state that, though. It only speaks of Merged Zamasu's weakness and the fact that Vegetto has one. It doesn't even mention Beerus, does it?
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) and Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta (Blutz Waves Empowered) vs. Goku Black (Future Trunks Saga).
2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Super 17 (10x Kamehameha Absorbed) vs. Present Zamasu and Future Zamasu. (No Potara Earrings.)
1) Goku Black easily dominates in Base, he's already SSBlue tier without even transforming.
2) Present Zamasu gets killed but Future Zamasu can win it by himself.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) and Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta (Blutz Waves Empowered) vs. Goku Black (Future Trunks Saga).
2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Super 17 (10x Kamehameha Absorbed) vs. Present Zamasu and Future Zamasu. (No Potara Earrings.)
1. Those two don't stand a chance.
2. Present Zamasu gets one-shotted. Future Zamasu is stronger and immortal, he'll find a way to win.
DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a match-up that I'm curious about:
Saiyan Arc Chiaotzu vs. Raditz
Based on the official battle powers, Chiaotzu is a lot weaker than Raditz, but would his superior Ki control and telekinesis allow him to gain the upper hand? Please take your time to explain your position properly when you answer.
Chaozu should win thanks to his telekenesis abilities. Back in the Dragon Ball saga he was really dumb but after his training with Karin and Kami, he should be a lot wiser and wouldn't be tricked like he was when he fought Kuririn. Raditz isn't strong enough to nulify Chaozu's abilities like Nappa was or even Goku ( in DBS ).
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) and Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta (Blutz Waves Empowered) vs. Goku Black (Future Trunks Saga).
2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Super 17 (10x Kamehameha Absorbed) vs. Present Zamasu and Future Zamasu. (No Potara Earrings.)
1) SSJ4 Goku solos, he's too awesome to lose and besides early Goku Black is only SSJ3-tier in base
2) Adding SSJ4 Goku and Super 17 against Present Zamasu is overkill, but against Future Zamasu they will have a lot a trouble, it would be a endless battle.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Who's the strongest character SSJ3 Namek Goku can beat?
Based on my made-up numbers, He's about as strong as Grade 2 Vegeta and Trunks, though given that this Goku isn't used to the regular Super Saiyan form yet, Vegeta and Trunks would probably beat him easily. He should have enough power to stomp 2nd Form Cell into the ground as long as he works to finish the fight quickly.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Who's the strongest character SSJ3 Namek Goku can beat?
Based on my made-up numbers, He's about as strong as Grade 2 Vegeta and Trunks, though given that this Goku isn't used to the regular Super Saiyan form yet, Vegeta and Trunks would probably beat him easily. He should have enough power to stomp 2nd Form Cell into the ground as long as he works to finish the fight quickly.
By my numbers he's equal to Semi Perfect Cell.
SSJ Goku: 15
SSJ3 Goku: 120
Semi Cell: 120
Grade 2 Vegeta: 150
So he probably loses to Cell too, I'd say Grade 1 Vegeta would be a good match as he's only at 100.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Who's the strongest character SSJ3 Namek Goku can beat?
Imperfect Cell (post-human absorption)
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) and Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta (Blutz Waves Empowered) vs. Goku Black (Future Trunks Saga).
2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Super 17 (10x Kamehameha Absorbed) vs. Present Zamasu and Future Zamasu. (No Potara Earrings.)
1.I'm assuming this is current Goku Black.
If so you could put Gogeta himself here and the only thing that would happen is Black tanking all his tanks and casually one shotting him.
Base Black is god tier which is too much for anyone in GT to handle
2.Present Zamasu fought SSJ2 Goku who's base form is God tier
Gowasu even said Goku's power rivals Beerus and Goku said he has the potential to be as strong as Beerus iirc
But the point is If you're on the level of a God you're simply on another plane of existence compared to GT.
So present Zamasu curbstomps let alone Future Zamasu who can hold his own against a SSGSS Goku.
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