Unpopular DB opinions

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

Care to explain why ? Goku was fine in GT and in most of Z.

Goku in Super is a lot more fun and exciting. He's serious when he needs to be. I think it's perfect balance.

[The Patrolman]

I may have said this before but Dub Goku doesn't equal Superman. Like at all

[Bansho64]

I may have said this before but Dub Goku doesn't equal Superman. Like at all

Well, I certainly wouldn't say he equals Superman, but I'd definitely say that he certainly comes close with his obnoxious, hammy, godawful, annoying, and overall unneeded heroic speeches.

[Soppa Saia People]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

Care to explain why ? Goku was fine in GT and in most of Z.

Goku in Super is a lot more fun and exciting. He's serious when he needs to be. I think it's perfect balance.

Alright. It's kinda annoying when someone will just say something controversial or unpopular, but never explains why.

[Anime Kitten]

Well, I certainly wouldn't say he equals Superman, but I'd definitely say that he certainly comes close with his obnoxious, hammy, godawful, annoying, and overall unneeded heroic speeches.

Hey, calm down. You're definitely exaggerating. He makes "heroic speeches" so, so rarely, and there's nothing even wrong with them. I'll take "I'm fighting for my friends, and the world!" over "A strong guy? COOL LET'S FIGHT!" any day.

[Soppa Saia People]

Well, I certainly wouldn't say he equals Superman, but I'd definitely say that he certainly comes close with his obnoxious, hammy, godawful, annoying, and overall unneeded heroic speeches.

Hey, calm down. You're definitely exaggerating. He makes "heroic speeches" so, so rarely, and there's nothing even wrong with them. I'll take "I'm fighting for my friends, and the world!" over [/b]"A strong guy? COOL LET'S FIGHT!"[/b] any day.

But Goku does both of that in the manga and JPN version (for the most part, it gets a little iffy in the Cell saga). That second part is overplayed by a Toriyama due to the movies and fans due to Funi. I believe Gaffer made a really good post on this subject, that I'll try to find.
EDIT: Found it viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33568&p=1064180&hilit#p1064180

[Bansho64]

Hey, calm down. You're definitely exaggerating. He makes "heroic speeches" so, so rarely, and there's nothing even wrong with them. I'll take "I'm fighting for my friends, and the world!" over "A strong guy? COOL LET'S FIGHT!" any day.

I'm really not exaggerating. And those speeches aren't rare at all. They insert that overly heroic garbage so much that it changes entire subplots. And that last line is exaggerating things a lot.

[8000 Saiyan]

I seriously think people exaggerate Goku's selfishness. I'm quite sure that when he was fighting Raditz along with Piccolo, he wasn't saying anything like: "Wow! I'm excited that this guy is really strong!" If anything, he was more concerned with Gohan.

Heck, the nightmare Goku has of Frieza destroying Earth in the Japanese version should be evidence that he does indeed care about others.

[Bansho64]

I seriously think people exaggerate Goku's selfishness. I'm quite sure that when he was fighting Raditz along with Piccolo, he wasn't saying anything like: "Wow! I'm excited that this guy is really strong!" If anything, he was more concerned with Gohan.

This. He's been selfish but he's definitely not always like the description that Anime Kitten detailed above. He's been legitimately worried in the past about people.

[Anime Kitten]

I wasn't talking about his personality as a whole. I was referring to certain points where he's overly selfish. Well, coming from someone who hasn't seen the Japanese version in its entirety, but is surrounded by people who know what they're talking about regarding it.

Found it viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33568&p=1064180&hilit#p1064180

YES. This is how Goku should be. He shouldn't be obsessed with fighting alone, nor should he be a superhero. The former is one major reason I dislike his characterization in Super, besides his intelligence level.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

Goku is annoying as hell in Super. I don't see how anyone can say it's the best.

[ekrolo2]

Baggie has disappointed me more than my future children ever will with that comment.....

[Anime Kitten]

I don't like Ms. Nozawa's voice on an adult Goku that much. It's far from unbearable, but sometimes it feels like it doesn't suit the situation, or scene. And please don't rail on me for this.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't like Ms. Nozawa's voice on an adult Goku that much. It's far from unbearable, but sometimes it feels like it doesn't suit the situation, or scene. And please don't rail on me for this.

It depends on what era of Nozawa we're talking about. If it's DBZ Nozawa, her performance is on-point. Her later video game performances, probably 2007 and on, she has waned quite a bit, and Kai solidified that decline..

[Lord Beerus]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

Not really. Even as Goku grew up in DB and later in the Z portion of the story and even in one or two occasions in GT, he did some stupid shit.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku's Super is the best portrayal of Goku since Dragon Ball.

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

Not really. Even as Goku grew up in DB and later in the Z portion of the story and even in one or two occasions in GT, he did some stupid shit.

Give me a few examples of Goku's child-like ignorance between Raditz and Boo. How about 5? No filler.

[Gaffer Tape]

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

I feel even early Goku has more depth to him than Super's Goku does. Yeah, he's a goofy idiot to be sure, but he exhibits some of his most selfless, non-fighting-driven behavior during the first story arc. If he's obsessed with anything, it seems much more the call to adventure than the call to beat the crap out of people.

[Doctor.]

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

I feel even early Goku has more depth to him than Super's Goku does. Yeah, he's a goofy idiot to be sure, but he exhibits some of his most selfless, non-fighting-driven behavior during the first story arc. If he's obsessed with anything, it seems much more the call to adventure than the call to beat the crap out of people.

I don't agree. Super Goku is flanderized, but DB Goku is terribly bland, to the point where he doesn't even seem like he has any personality at all beyond being a big eater and kind, ESPECIALLY in the first arc. It's when his Saiyan nature comes to the forefront that he becomes truly interesting and compelling as a character.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

If you like early Goku, fine, Super's Goku is similar to that. However, Goku has since advanced beyond his ignorant state, he's not so stupid that he can't tie his shoes anymore.

I feel even early Goku has more depth to him than Super's Goku does. Yeah, he's a goofy idiot to be sure, but he exhibits some of his most selfless, non-fighting-driven behavior during the first story arc. If he's obsessed with anything, it seems much more the call to adventure than the call to beat the crap out of people.

I agree, but if I wanted to get into every nuance that Goku has is early DB, I'd be writing an essay. Dragon Ball Super channels the naive part of Goku, hence my saying that they were "similar", rather than the same, or rather than saying they correlate.