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Zamasu fate after this arc?

Post by lao233 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:47 pm

Will he have a change of heart and become a good guy or will he just get killed off/destroyed?

I feel him becoming a good guy will probably be the final outcome of this arc but not sure how I would feel about it.

Sure we had ex-evil guys having a change of heart and becoming good guys like Piccolo and Vegeta, but I feel like Zamasu has done far worse things than either of Piccolo/Vegeta ( stole Goku body and killed his family, killed all the gods, terrorized Trunks timeline and killed his mother etc)

Even if Goku and co end up forgiving him I don't see Zeno letting him go with disturbing the timelines/killing the gods.

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:48 pm

If any of the Zamasus could have been redeemed, it was present Zamasu, but he was killed off.

Future Zamasu and Black, and by extension Merged Zamasu, are irredeemable at this point. None of the villains who were redeemed ever directly killed any of the cast like these two did.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:16 am

Zamasu could have been redeemed if he met Gohan. I think Gohan's speeches to Cell would have resonated to Zamasu, and he would have bowed down crying, asking himself, "what have I done? Killing is wrong. Mortals aren't all bad."

It would have been the start of a beautiful friendship.

That's why they kept Gohan out of this arc. His hidden power isn't his ki, but his ability to turn other people into bigger pansies than him.
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Post by dbs fanboy » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:45 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:Zamasu could have been redeemed if he met Gohan. I think Gohan's speeches to Cell would have resonated to Zamasu, and he would have bowed down crying, asking himself, "what have I done? Killing is wrong. Mortals aren't all bad."

It would have been the start of a beautiful friendship.

That's why they kept Gohan out of this arc. His hidden power isn't his ki, but his ability to turn other people into bigger pansies than him.
I didn't think about this, from all the saiyans in this series, Gohan would be the only one to try to talk things out, neither Trunks or Vegeta or Goku did this.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:03 pm

If any part of Zamasu is left remaining, I'm expecting Zeno to use some hax power to wipe it out from existence. Zamasu will definitely not have a change of heart given how far he has fallen and even if he does show it, I don't think anyone will forgive him.

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Post by phattangent » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:35 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:If any part of Zamasu is left remaining, I'm expecting Zeno to use some hax power to wipe it out from existence. Zamasu will definitely not have a change of heart given how far he has fallen and even if he does show it, I don't think anyone will forgive him.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:03 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:Zamasu could have been redeemed if he met Gohan. I think Gohan's speeches to Cell would have resonated to Zamasu, and he would have bowed down crying, asking himself, "what have I done? Killing is wrong. Mortals aren't all bad."

It would have been the start of a beautiful friendship.

That's why they kept Gohan out of this arc. His hidden power isn't his ki, but his ability to turn other people into bigger pansies than him.
So basically Gohan telling Zamasu not to piss him off or shit happens?
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Re: Zamasu fate after this arc?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:22 am

In an alternate reality, where Zamasu was the apprentice Kaioshin of Universe 7, he probably would have had a change of heart after the whole Majin Boo ordeal, but we aren't in that reality. Zamasu is an irredeemable sociopath, who has long since burned any bridge he had towards redemption.
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Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:46 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:Zamasu could have been redeemed if he met Gohan. I think Gohan's speeches to Cell would have resonated to Zamasu, and he would have bowed down crying, asking himself, "what have I done? Killing is wrong. Mortals aren't all bad."

It would have been the start of a beautiful friendship.

That's why they kept Gohan out of this arc. His hidden power isn't his ki, but his ability to turn other people into bigger pansies than him.
This actually makes a lot of sense..
Gohan would definitely understand his thinking and talk things out with him..
He does think in a philosophical way after all..
Goku black could have become the dad Gohan never had, both would sit under the sky talk about Morales, life and train to keep them alive..
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Re: Zamasu fate after this arc?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:48 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:In an alternate reality, where Zamasu was the apprentice Kaioshin of Universe 7, he probably would have had a change of heart after the whole Majin Boo ordeal, but we aren't in that reality.
He would have been too busy stuck in a cocoon inside Buu's body to have a change of heart.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:59 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:In an alternate reality, where Zamasu was the apprentice Kaioshin of Universe 7, he probably would have had a change of heart after the whole Majin Boo ordeal, but we aren't in that reality.
He would have been too busy stuck in a cocoon inside Buu's body to have a change of heart.
The implication was obviously that he survives, I don't appreciate the nitpick.
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Post by sailorspazz » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:19 am

I don't see him getting redemption (and I don't want that, either! Please let him remain the psychotic, narcissistic asshole we all love :twisted: ) He's waaaay too far gone to ever change his opinions. He wholeheartedly believed in his cause, that what he was doing was justified, and I think all versions of him had that same conviction (present Zamasu was literally about to start carrying out the plan when Beerus killed him, and showed zero remorse at being caught...how could he have been redeemed?). Though without the Gokuu factor, I do wonder if the Future Zamasu would've ever made such a drastic move on his own...I liken him to a disgruntled employee who hates his job, and is always thinking to himself, "I'm totally gonna quit someday!", yet fast forward 1,000 years and he's still there, begrudgingly watching over filthy humans :P I'm very curious if that Future Zamasu could've been "redeemed" if he'd never met his alternate self...maybe he would've eventually matured and come to understand mortals, even!

As for what Zamsu's fate will be, I'm betting on Omni-King taking him away to become his new playmate, torturing him for all eternity with childish games and inane conversations. It would truly be the ultimate punishment!
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:22 am

I just realized that there are probably 3 more Zamasu's in other timelines. Maybe one of those is redeemable, that's all I can give him.
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Re: Zamasu fate after this arc?

Post by Chuquita » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:24 am

I'm currently going with the monkey's paw ending of:
-Zamasu remains bodyless and is forced into being the promised playmate for Omni-King.

It'd be so Dr. Slump of an ending. Zamasu hated his job as kaioshin? He'll be wishing he had it back once he's trapped playing games way below his intellectual level with Omni-King day in and out.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:29 am

About hating his job, why didn't he just quit his duty as Kaioshin? Are you not allowed to do that? Zamasu would make a better God of Destruction, anyhow. Zamasu's attitude is even similar to how Beerus was during the first few episodes, although Beerus' thought of them as being a nuisance, rather than the embodiment of evil.

If Zamasu had been trained as a God of Destruction from the beginning, which he was obviously more suited for, this whole arc would have been avoided.
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Post by GodVegetto91 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:42 am

Doctor. wrote:If any of the Zamasus could have been redeemed, it was present Zamasu, but he was killed off.

Future Zamasu and Black, and by extension Merged Zamasu, are irredeemable at this point. None of the villains who were redeemed ever directly killed any of the cast like these two did.
i tend to disagree. Unlike Future Zamasu, The Present one actually met and fought Goku.(he got defeated by him) which only fueled his hate for mortals and desire to wipe him out. Future Zamasu never fought nor met him.

That said. No i don't think Zamasu would ever be redeemed. He was simply too fixated and obsessed by his desires to vanquish humanity. Motivation conquers all.

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Re: Zamasu fate after this arc?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:43 am

Doctor. wrote:If any of the Zamasus could have been redeemed, it was present Zamasu, but he was killed off.

Future Zamasu and Black, and by extension Merged Zamasu, are irredeemable at this point. None of the villains who were redeemed ever directly killed any of the cast like these two did.
I tend to disagree. Unlike Future Zamasu, The Present one actually met and fought Goku.(he got defeated by him) which only fueled his hate for mortals and desire to wipe them out. Future Zamasu never fought nor met him.

That said. No i don't think Zamasu would ever be redeemed. He was simply too fixated and obsessed by his desires to vanquish humanity. Motivation conquers all.

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Post by ckal9 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:43 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Zamasu would make a better God of Destruction, anyhow. .
Sure he would be better as a God of Destruction, however that would not make him a good God of Destruction. Purely hating all mortals and wiping them from existence is not the GoD's duty.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:50 pm

ckal9 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Zamasu would make a better God of Destruction, anyhow. .
Sure he would be better as a God of Destruction, however that would not make him a good God of Destruction. Purely hating all mortals and wiping them from existence is not the GoD's duty.
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