Episode 66 is the most hated episode even more than episode 5..

[The Patrolman]

Its not as hated as episode 5 but its as controversial episode 61.

[Boo Machine]

From what I've seen, (and there could be other reasons), most of the rage comes from the hardcore Vegito fans or the people who want fights to be won using cold hard math, with a small group upset about the potara retcon.

If you're the "cold hard math" guy then it's understandable why the episode might set your head on fire.

If you're a vegito fan I can't blame them for feeling a bit cheated.

I personally feel like the potara retcon is such a tiny/ non issue though and am not quite sure why it can be upsetting besides "Old Kai was wrong". Or it makes the potara less special? In which case I can kind of get, but don't feel like it's something to get worked up over.

There is a divide to be sure but I think most like the episode despite them disagreeing with a few choices the plot made. It's just shame that this is the episode that made people go at each others throats.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

From what I've seen, (and there could be other reasons), most of the rage comes from the hardcore Vegito fans or the people who want fights to be won using cold hard math, with a small group upset about the potara retcon.

If you're the "cold hard math" guy then it's understandable why the episode might set your head on fire.

If you're a vegito fan I can't blame them for feeling a bit cheated.

I personally feel like the potara retcon is such a tiny/ non issue though and am not quite sure why it can be upsetting besides "Old Kai was wrong". Or it makes the potara less special? In which case I can kind of get, but don't feel like it's something to get worked up over.

There is a divide to be sure but I think most like the episode despite them disagreeing with a few choices the plot made. It's just shame that this is the episode that made people go at each others throats.

I don't understand why one would feel cheated. The NEP delivered in that regard, it promised that Vegetto was going to appear for at least 30 seconds we got 7 mins.

[Boo Machine]

From what I've seen, (and there could be other reasons), most of the rage comes from the hardcore Vegito fans or the people who want fights to be won using cold hard math, with a small group upset about the potara retcon.

If you're the "cold hard math" guy then it's understandable why the episode might set your head on fire.

If you're a vegito fan I can't blame them for feeling a bit cheated.

I personally feel like the potara retcon is such a tiny/ non issue though and am not quite sure why it can be upsetting besides "Old Kai was wrong". Or it makes the potara less special? In which case I can kind of get, but don't feel like it's something to get worked up over.

There is a divide to be sure but I think most like the episode despite them disagreeing with a few choices the plot made. It's just shame that this is the episode that made people go at each others throats.

I don't understand why one would feel cheated. The NEP delivered in that regard, it promised that Vegetto was going to appear for at least 30 seconds we got 7 mins.

I'm just trying to understand where those angry about Vegitos brief appearance are coming from. They might feel cheated because the preview shows Vegetto the whole time and that gives the impression that his fighting takes up the majority of the episode. Though I guess if you wanted to be fair that's half us fans fault for hyping something before we knew what was going to happen.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

From what I've seen, (and there could be other reasons), most of the rage comes from the hardcore Vegito fans or the people who want fights to be won using cold hard math, with a small group upset about the potara retcon.

If you're the "cold hard math" guy then it's understandable why the episode might set your head on fire.

If you're a vegito fan I can't blame them for feeling a bit cheated.

I personally feel like the potara retcon is such a tiny/ non issue though and am not quite sure why it can be upsetting besides "Old Kai was wrong". Or it makes the potara less special? In which case I can kind of get, but don't feel like it's something to get worked up over.

There is a divide to be sure but I think most like the episode despite them disagreeing with a few choices the plot made. It's just shame that this is the episode that made people go at each others throats.

I don't understand why one would feel cheated. The NEP delivered in that regard, it promised that Vegetto was going to appear for at least 30 seconds we got 7 mins.

I'm just trying to understand where those angry about Vegitos brief appearance are coming from. They might feel cheated because the preview shows Vegetto the whole time and that gives the impression that his fighting takes up the majority of the episode. Though I guess if you wanted to be fair that's half us fans fault for hyping something before we knew what was going to happen.

We've had misleading NEP's in the past. Fans should very much know better and I agree it was overhyped by fans! Aside from the NEP we got one magazine spread and that was it. Toei hardly hyped it up at all no mention even in the WSJ summaries!

[dbs fanboy]

I'm starting to think like it does, i've seen so many comments with people saying that this is and i quote: "the worst episode of this franchise, that ruins the entire arc making it the worse arc in this franchise".................
And the amount of those comments are based on nothing but just pure hate. That followed by the exgerations about how terrible it was (i saw people comparing it to fucking EVOLUTION), just depress me a little , i like to see different opinions so i can have a better perception myself but too much negativity, and not with actual points, no, but pure negativity without any reason makes me sick

[Lord Beerus]

"Hated" is a strong word. I think "polarising" or "divisive" is more appropriate. Episode 5 was resented by a lot of the fanbase because of its terrible animation, which then got cleaned up in the DVD and Blu-Ray release.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

And unsurprisingly most of the hate comes from the power level circle jerk, what a spoiled fanbase.

[kinisking]

So you guys are perfectly fine with Trunks' pulling a move out of his ass? It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

[Boo Machine]

So you guys are perfectly fine with Trunks' pulling a move out of his ass? It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

Not only am I fine with it, I am Super fine with it.

My feelings are, if a show is going to do something nonsensical then they better at least do something cool and have it mean something. Trunks Slashed a God in half. That was cool.

And I don't even think it was that nonsensical either. Trunks never showed any ability to absorb peoples energies before and that's odd, but I could at least tell that was what he was doing.

The transformations still up in the air though.

[kinisking]

So you guys are perfectly fine with Trunks' pulling a move out of his ass? It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

Not only am I fine with it, I am Super fine with it.

My feelings are, if a show is going to do something nonsensical then they better at least do something cool and have it mean something. Trunks Slashed a God in half. That was cool.

And I don't even think it was that nonsensical either. Trunks never showed any ability to absorb peoples energies before and that's odd, but I could at least tell that was what he was doing.

The transformations still up in the air though.

Ironically, I'm okay with the transformation. The transformation was ignited by rage. That's happened before. No one has ever absorbed people's energies unknowingly before though. Why didn't he do this against the androids, cell, boo or against black?

[Soppa Saia People]

And unsurprisingly most of the hate comes from the power level circle jerk, what a spoiled fanbase.

Real nice generalization there.

[Avok]

I'm just saying, what was the point of bringing Vegito is Goku and Vegeta are going to defuse 5 minutes later? I'm pretty indefferent torwards him, but it just feels convulted and a fanservice stunt (actually, it feels more like a way of selling merchandise).

Trunks Genkidama sword was just the last nail to the power level's consistency coffin. If you already have a way of making a weaker character defeat a strong enemy, a way that you brought back from the 80s, why the hell would you go with a deus ex machina move? It's just stupid.

I don't have any issues with his transformation thing, and since the start of the arc I wanted him to defeat Zamasu, but I'm just baffled at Toei's great ( ) storytelling.

And unsurprisingly most of the hate comes from the power level circle jerk, what a spoiled fanbase.

Uhm, what?
Power levels are a pivotal point in Dragon Ball. Saying the fanbase is spoiled for not going with whatever Toei spits out is pretty arrogant.

[Boo Machine]

So you guys are perfectly fine with Trunks' pulling a move out of his ass? It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

Not only am I fine with it, I am Super fine with it.

My feelings are, if a show is going to do something nonsensical then they better at least do something cool and have it mean something. Trunks Slashed a God in half. That was cool.

And I don't even think it was that nonsensical either. Trunks never showed any ability to absorb peoples energies before and that's odd, but I could at least tell that was what he was doing.

The transformations still up in the air though.

Ironically, I'm okay with the transformation. The transformation was ignited by rage. That's happened before. No one has ever absorbed people's energies unknowingly before though. Why didn't he do this against the androids, cell, boo or against black?

Against the Androids, Cell, or boo, I feel like it's because he was fighting alone then. All humans were pretty much dead and hiding while Trunks did everything. But here the humans are backing him up all the way and they know who he is and what he does. Not a concrete answer, granted.

I have no guesses for Black. Maybe he needs that weird transformation to do it where he didn't have it before? This is where a hint of what that form is and does would help.

[Nekis13]

Hell, checking now, most people are upset about Vegetto's fight not being longer than Trunks pulling out some type of Genki Dama on his sword (In fact, a lot of people loved this.)

[Cursemark505]

It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

They are being spoiled. Yes, normally this would be bad if it were from any other series, but this is Dragon ball. Out of all the many dozens of asspull and retcons, THIS particular episode is the final straw? Seriously? Super as a series, is a retcon and an asspull in & of itself.

Trunks Genkidama sword was just the last nail to the power level's consistency coffin.

What power level consistency?

Dragon ball has never had that.

but I'm just baffled at Toei's great ( ) storytelling.

Really? You make it sound as if Dragon ball was the embodiment of fantastic writing. The whole franchise is a mess. Why does everyone suddenly care about storytelling in Dragon ball?

[Avok]

It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

They are being spoiled. Yes, normally this would be bad if it were from any other series, but this is Dragon ball. Out of all the many dozens of asspull and retcons, THIS particular episode is the final straw? Seriously? Super as a series, is a retcon and an asspull in & of itself.

Trunks Genkidama sword was just the last nail to the power level's consistency coffin.

What power level consistency?

Dragon ball has never had that.

but I'm just baffled at Toei's great ( ) storytelling.

Really? You make it sound as if Dragon ball was the embodiment of fantastic writing. The whole franchise is a mess. Why does everyone suddenly care about storytelling in Dragon ball?

Just because the series hasn't been perfect before doesn't mind we have to swallow everything Toei gives to us.
"It's Dragon Ball so everything is fine because the series has had asspulls before" I'm sorry, but no.

[Lord Beerus]

And unsurprisingly most of the hate comes from the power level circle jerk, what a spoiled fanbase.

Uhm, what?
Power levels are a pivotal point in Dragon Ball. Saying the fanbase is spoiled for not going with whatever Toei spits out is pretty arrogant.

Power levels got discarded after the Freeza arc because they were pointless. From that point on, it was just a case of "Character A is stronger than Character B" with sometimes an explanation as to why. But even then, the Majin Boo arc kinda fucks that up, too.

[Avok]

Power levels got discarded after the Freeza arc because they were pointless. From that point on, it was just a case of "Character A is stronger than Character B" with sometimes an explanation as to why. But even then, the Majin Boo arc kinda fucks that up, too.

And I know that, but this has been one of the most convulted arcs in terms of character strenght, especially with Trunks, whos as strong as the plot needs him to be depending on the moment.

I'm not really care that much about it though, but saying that people that complain about it are "spoiled" is just uncalled for.
My problem is Vegito's role in the episode (pointless) and their decision to have Trunks make a flashy, friendship-fueled attack instead of a great and convincing way of finishing the enemy.

[Lord Beerus]

So you guys are perfectly fine with Trunks' pulling a move out of his ass? It wouldn't have been so bad if Trunks' wasn't already getting pulling things out of his ass. This just seemed like the final straw for that regard. I liked the episode but let's not kid ourselves and say people are just being spoiled.

Not only am I fine with it, I am Super fine with it.

My feelings are, if a show is going to do something nonsensical then they better at least do something cool and have it mean something. Trunks Slashed a God in half. That was cool.

And I don't even think it was that nonsensical either. Trunks never showed any ability to absorb peoples energies before and that's odd, but I could at least tell that was what he was doing.

The transformations still up in the air though.

Ironically, I'm okay with the transformation. The transformation was ignited by rage. That's happened before. No one has ever absorbed people's energies unknowingly before though. Why didn't he do this against the androids, cell, boo or against black?

My theory is that the people cheering on Future Trunks did so with so much conviction they unwitting gave Future Trunks his energy. Remember, according Toriyama, Ki is composed of multiple components: Energy, Courage and Mind. Something that the remaining earthlings and Future Trunks shared immensely in the final battle. And my guess is that it unknowingly leaked out of everyone and then manifested into a massive Genki Dama-esque ball of energy that Future Trunks then absorbed.

We've seen weirder shit in this franchise.